Victor as Starter and Matthews sixth man?

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Interesting piece.
Wesley Matthews’ hip injury has left the Blazers without one of their most reliable scoring weapons over the past three weeks. For a young team still figuring out its identity, an injury to such a key player has the potential to be a death blow. Rookie Victor Claver has started the majority of games in Matthews’ place, which on paper seems like it would prompt a massive downgrade to the starting lineup. But it’s been fascinating to watch over the past few games as the starting lineup’s production hasn’t dipped in any meaningful way, while the bench continues to struggle. Claver, while not a scorer, has found ways to contribute in the starting unit and looks more comfortable every game he plays in this increased role. Given the rest of the starters’ offensive potency, Claver seems closer to carving out a niche with the team after struggling to get on the floor in the early season. In the interests of using both players in ways that best maximize their abilities, there’s a strong case to be made that Terry Stotts has stumbled into a new way forward, with Claver starting and Matthews as a sixth man.

Keeping the starting lineup the way it is when Matthews returns to action could prove beneficial to both players. Claver has scored 28 points on the season on 11-for-38 shooting. But scoring was never supposed to be Claver’s strength, and it isn’t what he was brought over from Spain to do for the Blazers. It’s no secret that Portland’s bench has had problems scoring all season, and when Claver plays with other reserves, he’s just another guy who can’t score, something the Blazers’ second unit has more than enough of. When he’s on the floor with Damian Lillard, Nicolas Batum, LaMarcus Aldridge, and J.J. Hickson, however, he isn’t leaned on nearly as much for offensive production. Playing with four capable scorers allows him to concentrate on defense, making cuts to set up passes for teammates’ shots, and rebounding.

There are significant advantages to bringing Matthews off the bench as well. For one thing, it would finally give the Blazers’ bench a player capable of scoring consistently, something they’ve lacked all year. For another, it would put an end to the Lillard-Ronnie Price two-PG backcourts Stotts has often played this season, which have left a lot to be desired. In 105 minutes this season, lineups featuring both Lillard and Price have scored just 95.4 points per 100 possessions, while allowing 100.9. These lineups don’t particularly make sense for either player—Price doesn’t offer nearly enough as a scorer for you to feel comfortable playing him at shooting guard, and while Lillard is certainly a good shooter, it seems a waste to have by far the Blazers’ best floor manager on the court and not running the offense.

Price and Matthews make much more sense together. As a two-man unit, they have been in lineups together for 125 minutes this year. While these lineups have been slightly worse defensively than those with Price and Lillard (allowing 104.7 points per 100 possessions), they’ve been astronomically better offensively (105.5 points scored per 100 possessions). Matthews’ greatest strength is as a shooter, something he isn’t able to do nearly enough playing in lineups with three other high-usage scorers. Using Matthews as a sixth man puts him a position where his primary role can be as a catch-and-shoot player. As a distributor, Price represents a huge dropoff from Lillard, but the strides Nicolas Batum has made as a passer in recent weeks mitigate this somewhat. As long as either Lillard or Batum are on the floor with Matthews (a pretty safe bet, given how much Stotts likes to mix-and-match his lineups), there will be someone to feed him the ball when he’s open.

For as little scoring as Claver gives the Blazers, their starting lineups don’t fare much worse offensively with him on the floor than they do with Matthews. The lineups’ respective True Shooting Percentages are nearly identical, and while the team gives up a three-point threat with Matthews out of the lineup, they make up for it in other ways. They are 1.4 points per 100 possessions worse with Claver than with Matthews, but since they also allow 1.7 fewer points per 100 possessions on defense with Claver in the starting lineup, it’s more or less a wash. The two iterations of the starting unit have identical assist-turnover ratios, but the Lillard-Claver-Batum-Aldridge-Hickson version rebounds better, fouls less, and gets blocked less per 36 minutes.

None of this is to say Matthews is having a bad season, or that the idea of benching him should be viewed as a demotion. Before his injury, he was much improved in just about every offensive statistical category over last season. He’s been more comfortable shooting the ball, and especially shown more confidence (and effectiveness) attacking the rim. But given how much Lillard, Aldridge, and Batum offer as scorers, and how paltry and inconsistent their bench production can be, it might make sense for Stotts to try an arrangement similar to the one that has been so effective for the Oklahoma City Thunder. They are able to start relative offensive non-contributor Thabo Sefolosha at shooting guard because their starting lineup also features Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and Serge Ibaka. This allows a starting-caliber scorer like Kevin Martin (and before him, James Harden) to anchor the second unit and provide stability when the starters are off the floor. Obviously, the Lillard-Batum-Aldridge trio isn’t at the level of Westbrook-Durant-Ibaka, and nor is Matthews as good a player as Harden or Martin. But that’s completely beside the point—the Thunder are title contenders, and the Blazers are a lottery team, something that would be true regardless of who starts for Portland. What’s important for the Blazers in this rebuilding season is to make sure all of their players are being used in ways that play to their strengths and allow them to develop as players. Using Claver as the team’s Sefolosha and Matthews as their Martin/Harden may be just that.

Source: http://www.portlandroundballsociety...tthews-as-sixth-man-makes-sense-for-blaz.html
 
I'm not for it. Matthews is a starter and has earned the additional minutes. Claver is still very raw and is marginal NBA material so far.

We see this crap all the time. Every single time a bench warner does anything remotely NBAish some nut writer wonders aloud why they don't get more minutes... I never cease to be amazed...
 
I'm not for it. Matthews is a starter and has earned the additional minutes. Claver is still very raw and is marginal NBA material so far.

Matthews can very easily have the same amount of minutes while coming off the bench.

We see this crap all the time. Every single time a bench warner does anything remotely NBAish some nut writer wonders aloud why they don't get more minutes... I never cease to be amazed...

I never cease to be amazed at people commenting on articles without semingly actually reading them. Nowhere in the article does it say that Claver should get more minutes, or even that Claver is even a very good player.

The entire thrust of the article is that the starting unit as a whole appears to function comparably well with Claver as with Matthews, and that Matthews might actually benefit from a "scoring-as-primary-responsibility" role off the bench, rather than being one of many scorers in the starting unit. I see merit to the concept, and in this developmental year, I think it's absolutely worth a shot.
 
The writer would rather make us read for 5 minutes than show a simple chart. He says the new starting lineup is 6.3 points over the old one. The new bench lineup is .3 points over the old one.

And who, early in preseason, saw Claver's talent?.....my 2nd- favorite player.
 
I was thinking the same thing two days ago. I know it will not happen, but I see the advantages for sure. How many offensive weapons do you need to start the game? Batum, LMA and Lillard are three good options. Claver gives them more length to start the game off, he is a solid rebounder, passer, and defender. Good teams in the 80's used to do this all the time. Start an inferior player, so you have a better rotation for the rest of the half.

Like I said the Blazers won't do it because it would piss Wes off, but I certainly would not be opposed to it.
 
The sample size is way too small for advanced stats.

But I think the whole point of this is to bolster our bench. I'm for it, but it will never happen. One alternative however is to simply change the subbing pattern and get Wes or Nic out early in the first, and stick them back in with the bench unit. We saw it a bit in our game vs Philly where Nic exited with like 5mins left in the first and returned to play the whole second quarter. He was a passer with the first unit, and scorer with the second. We could try the same with Wes when he gets back.
 
The sample size is way too small for advanced stats.

But I think the whole point of this is to bolster our bench. I'm for it, but it will never happen. One alternative however is to simply change the subbing pattern and get Wes or Nic out early in the first, and stick them back in with the bench unit. We saw it a bit in our game vs Philly where Nic exited with like 5mins left in the first and returned to play the whole second quarter. He was a passer with the first unit, and scorer with the second. We could try the same with Wes when he gets back.

Agreed, and yeah that's a good idea. At least we don't have to add "But it's Scribbles McAssflake we're talking about, so he'll pobably cross his arms and ship all five bench guys in at once again." to the end of all our posts this year!
 
Agreed, and yeah that's a good idea. At least we don't have to add "But it's Scribbles McAssflake we're talking about, so he'll pobably cross his arms and ship all five bench guys in at once again." to the end of all our posts this year!

I like that nickname. It took me a while to get the "scribbles"
 
Batum as Point Forward?

Yeah, but I see it mostly as an offense/defense type of lineup where they use it for one or two plays in crunchtime. But in a steal/fastbreak situation, Batum and Matthews can both handle the ball well enough to finish. Even Claver is okay dribbling the ball.
 
I've thought all along that Claver made more sense in the starting lineup because he's a very solid glue guy who doesn't look for his own offense. The trouble is, Matthews shouldn't be allowed to look for his own shot, because he tends to try to do things that he can't - like dribble. I think the only way that Matthews in the second unit is a good idea is if we have a better backup PG who can set him up.

Y'know what makes scary sense? Matthews and Claver as starters on the wing and Batum as our Lamar Odom/Manu Ginobili off the bench.
 
The sample size is way too small for advanced stats.

But I think the whole point of this is to bolster our bench. I'm for it, but it will never happen. One alternative however is to simply change the subbing pattern and get Wes or Nic out early in the first, and stick them back in with the bench unit. We saw it a bit in our game vs Philly where Nic exited with like 5mins left in the first and returned to play the whole second quarter. He was a passer with the first unit, and scorer with the second. We could try the same with Wes when he gets back.

That's probably what will happen anyway, since Matthews won't be in complete game shape. Subbing him out after 5 mins isn't really disrespectful to what he's accomplished--it's just recognizing he's working his way back in. Hopefully it works in the short term, making it a sensible plan to finish out the season with.
 
I checked, and even as an undrafted rookie with Utah, Wesley started 48 games. So he's pretty damn used to being a starter.
 
I've got it: start Nolan, Freeland, Sasha, Jeffries and Claver. Play them for the first 2 possessions, then sit them. That'll fix the bench problems!
 
No, Claver does not have Wesley's shooting range. I prefer keeping Wesley in the starting lineup (at least for this season) to spread the floor and act as a kind of safety net (along with Batum) for Lillard.
 
I was thinking the same thing two days ago. I know it will not happen, but I see the advantages for sure. Like I said the Blazers won't do it because it would piss Wes off, but I certainly would not be opposed to it.

Would it though? Mathews seems like the prototypical team player that would do whatever it takes to help the team without complaint. Claver has the ability to be a solid rotation player and by putting him in the starting lineup you're only going to accelerate his growth.
 
Y'know what makes scary sense? Matthews and Claver as starters on the wing and Batum as our Lamar Odom/Manu Ginobili off the bench.

It actually makes no sense. Batum is distributing the ball very well with the starting unit, and LMA's play has greatly improved over early in the season with Nic as a second passing option, or even a primary option at this point.

Nic is playing a poor man's Scottie Pippen the last 3 weeks. It's amazing to see him end up with 5+ assists somewhat consistently these days.
 
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It actually makes no sense. Batum is distributing the ball very well with the starting unit, and LMA's play has greatly improved over early in the season with Nic as a second passing option, or even a primary option at this point.

Nic is playing a poor man's Scottie Pippen the last 3 weeks. It's amazing to see him end up with 5+ assists somewhat consistently these days.

I don't like that he's over-passing and turning down open shots in the lane.
 
Would it though? Mathews seems like the prototypical team player that would do whatever it takes to help the team without complaint. Claver has the ability to be a solid rotation player and by putting him in the starting lineup you're only going to accelerate his growth.

Accelerating Lillard's growth is the plan. The other rookies are secondary.
 
Papanikolaou will be the starter when he comes over.

Just you watch.
 
If Wes starts in the Lakers game, we win. Claver was awful. They put Nash on him and Nash wasn't really guarding him at all. Claver wouldn't shoot and it killed us. Wes would've been nailing threes which would've opened up everything for everyone else.

No to Claver in starting lineup.
 

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