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Yay or Nay the trades?

  • Yay CJ/Nance --- Yay Norm/Roco

    Votes: 12 20.7%

  • Yay CJ/Nance --- Nay Norm/Roco

    Votes: 23 39.7%

  • Nay CJ/Nance --- Yay Norm/Roco

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Nay CJ/Nance --- Nay Norm/Roco

    Votes: 22 37.9%
  • Total voters
    58
CJ was over-paid and a bad fit but far from useless. Powell was "just" a good supporting player. Nance and RoCo had their obvious flaws, but they had some value. We couldn't get even ONE decent prospect in return? We got roughly the same value in draft picks for those 4 guys that Indy got for LaVert alone?

No one is that incompetent.
 
Is this really even a question?
 
oldmangrouch said:
CJ was over-paid and a bad fit but far from useless. Powell was "just" a good supporting player. Nance and RoCo had their obvious flaws, but they had some value. We couldn't get even ONE decent prospect in return? We got roughly the same value in draft picks for those 4 guys that Indy got for LaVert alone?

No one is that incompetent.
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The draft pick from NO has more value than the pick Indy got, and Hart has value. I would've liked more for CJ, but I think there are legit positives with this deal. I can see why some would support and some would be against it.

I have no explanation for the Powell/Roco trade though, that was beyond incompetent.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm waiting for those posters here who kept saying that the Powell/RoCo trade had to be done first to explain today. Nothing about today's trade pivoted on the Powell/RoCo trade
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Agreed, but there is this...

we were not a tax paying team, but still above the cap when we did the CJ trade because of that first trade (last bullet point). I wanna see if this turns out meaning we get another player back today using that TPE.

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I liked the second trade but disliked the first... and I dislike the first even more now. The first one had value because it got us under the tax threshold, and I think we would have done that with the second trade alone.

Actually the main advantage of the first trade is that we're in ABSOLUTE TANK MODE. Billups would have probably played Norm and RoCo a lot and we might have won a few more games because of it. Now... ? Ant shoots 30 times a game and we lose repeatedly. :)
 
TheGoldRanger said:
I dont know what is worse, being a Blazers fan during the Telfair/Ha days or right now. Its really depressing and hard to imagine it will get better from here.
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It’s really easy to see how they get better from here.
Tank for a top 3-5 pick.
Pelicans pick 5-7 ideally.
Boom, headshot. Championship parades.
 
B+ for the CJ deal and F- for the Norm deal.

Love the fact that David Griffin was a dummy and didn't protect the pick much. Gave me Gerald Wallace to the Nets flashbacks.
 
Orion Bailey said:
by not jumping to conclusions until the dust has settled?
Seems everyone is quick to draw a line one way or another when they have no clue where the road ends.
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I'm not asking you to bet your house on how it turns out years from now.

Just, your opinion right now. Of course future results could change how this or any NBA transaction later looks. But a knowledgeable fan can certainly have a current opinion of how good or bad their teams action is.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I'm not asking you to bet your house on how it turns out years from now.

Just, your opinion right now. Of course future results could change how this or any NBA transaction later looks. But a knowledgeable fan can certainly have a current opinion of how good or bad their teams action is.
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okay but if i buy stock im not looking at the IMMEDIATE results.

most things take time to provide a proper analysis. Giving it until Thursday is not years from now.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay but if i buy stock im not looking at the IMMEDIATE results.

most things take time to provide a proper analysis. Giving it until Thursday is not years from now.
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Stock is a perfect example. If you buy you feel it is undervalued. If you sell you feel its overvalued.

Now what the resulting profit or loss of a stock transaction is will never be known until you close the position. But you can have an opinion of what it will do when you opened the position.

You are right that I could have had 3 choices for each trade... but then its a poll with 9 options, confusing. Instead, 4 options is enough to get a general idea on what the majority of the board thinks on these two trades. That is the purpose of the poll.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
okay but if i buy stock im not looking at the IMMEDIATE results.

most things take time to provide a proper analysis. Giving it until Thursday is not years from now.
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And that's how you get a ten-year-tenure Neil Olshey. Every bad GM in league history has hidden behind 2 excuses - the fans are too dumb to understand his brilliant plan; the fans are too impatient to let his brilliant plan come to fruition. My sincere advice to you is don't trust the BS!
 
TheGoldRanger said:
I dont know what is worse, being a Blazers fan during the Telfair/Ha days or right now. Its really depressing and hard to imagine it will get better from here.
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I'm sorry, but next season at the least I'll be watching a healthy Dame Lillard play basketball. That does not compare to the Telfair days.
 
stampedehero said:
The Blazers made a series of baffling trades to blow up their team around Damian Lillard (yahoo.com)
  • The Blazers have blown up their roster with two trades in the last week.

  • The moves are confusing as they traded valuable veteran players for very little in return.

  • Portland wants to build around Damian Lillard with another star, but they may not have the assets needed.
The Portland Trail Blazers needed a shake-up, but perhaps not this shake-u
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The tenor of this article is exactly how I feel.
 
Having taken some time to give this some thought, I give the moves so far a D. If we move a majority of the few assets we have for Jerami Grant, the grade drops to an F.

Cronin just didn't get enough back, IMO.
 
I have to wonder if the fact that the Blazers are in Paul Allen's estate isn't the biggest thing dictating these moves.
 
I'm actually ok with both, depending on what happens now. We have a lot of options. Cronin cleaned up Olshey's mess (which people claimed screwed us for years, and there was nothing that could be done about that), and he did it in a couple months.

Portland now has a TON of flexibility. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm actually ok with both, depending on what happens now. We have a lot of options. Cronin cleaned up Olshey's mess (which people claimed screwed us for years, and there was nothing that could be done about that), and he did it in a couple months.

Portland now has a TON of flexibility. I'm cautiously optimistic.
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I am in the same boat as I am not thrilled by the haul on the first trade, but overall I think both trades have provided us some intriguing paths forward. This is certainly not a grand slam that we all were hoping for, but considering other teams have to be involved in trades that are appealing to them this may in fact have been the best option to take. If nothing else at least we finally have direction, it's clear what path we're taking and we're being decisive. I appreciate the decisiveness and I am hopeful Cronin can take advantage of this new flexibility he's provided the team. I am going to finally start paying more attention to the team again, thank you Cronin for having the balls to pull the trigger on some trades and deciding on a path forward rather than running it back again.
 
PCmor7 said:
Having taken some time to give this some thought, I give the moves so far a D. If we move a majority of the few assets we have for Jerami Grant, the grade drops to an F.

Cronin just didn't get enough back, IMO.
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Cronin would be a sucker in a used car dealership.
 
PCmor7 said:
Having taken some time to give this some thought, I give the moves so far a D. If we move a majority of the few assets we have for Jerami Grant, the grade drops to an F.

Cronin just didn't get enough back, IMO.
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Nobody wanted Norm or CJ's contracts... You weren't going to get a more productive or better fitting equivalent player in return for either player, and you weren't going to have the flexibility to make moves in other places if you kept them.

That was out of Cronin's control, IMO. He made the tough choices that had to be made if we want to compete.

Now we'll find out if he can build a team.
 
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