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Denny Crane said:
Eligible and able to are two different things. And I think you're overstating the situation.

https://www.edreform.com/2012/04/k-12-facts/

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The intangible here is the lack of a stat for apathetic parenting. I taught for 2 decades in a college in Taiwan and they are a stunning example of parent involvement in the education of their children. The children here who have parents involved in their education usually thrive and the best students I've known came from poorer backgrounds and loved school. In Taiwan teachers are highly respected, have a national holiday to honor them and kids I've taught still keep in touch decades later. I taught in Hawaii where you did more damage control than educating because of bullying. Oregon is a decent place to send your kid to school. This culture is entertainment obsessed and DVD circulation far exceeds book checkouts at the local library. There are many factors that graphs just don't point out. My son went to university on his grades, not his economic advantages. My wife and I got up and reviewed material for his tests with him before school and made sure he could read and write well. The government or school systems are not babysitters responsible for the character and ambitions of your children. Parents have dropped the ball in most cases.
 
All you're proving is that, anecdotally, a child of teachers can do well if taught at home for enough hours.

I'm not against teachers. As I wrote above, I'd pay them highly to attract really good ones.

What I am against is poor results for high expense and people standing in the way of changing things for the better. $10 for $1 worth of service, indeed.

I also find it ridiculous that there are public unions of any kind. On the face of it, you have partisans collecting dues from tax payer paid salaries to elect the people they negotiate contracts with.
 
Denny Crane said:
All you're proving is that, anecdotally, a child of teachers can do well if taught at home for enough hours.

I'm not against teachers. As I wrote above, I'd pay them highly to attract really good ones.

What I am against is poor results for high expense and people standing in the way of changing things for the better. $10 for $1 worth of service, indeed.

I also find it ridiculous that there are public unions of any kind. On the face of it, you have partisans collecting dues from tax payer paid salaries to elect the people they negotiate contracts with.
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I'm not proving anything but I am experienced in the world of education in 2 countries, one at the top of the academic achievement and one here at home. My experience is demonstrable. Schools are different. If you have the money, you can send your child to a Montessori school or private school and pay for a different approach. I couldn't afford it. My wife is not a teacher. Many parents involved in their childrens lessons and knowledge are not teachers. I too want to see teachers paid more. Let's start with math, science, engineering scholarship money that takes priority over sports scholarships. The amount of money given to universities to draft athletes is unheard of in a place like Taiwan. Taiwan finances their education system with a simple sales tax. I'm no genius but it baffles me we don't do that here.
 
The problem isn't a lack of funding. We're spending on par with the 27 nations and they get better results.

You want parents involved yet in most places they have no real choices so of course they're not involved.

A choice of a handful of crappy public schools is no choice.
 
BTW, found this interesting tidbit about oregon schools:

http://www.politifact.com/oregon/st...regon-rank-49th-nation-its-high-school-gradu/

The results, from the high school class of 2012, taken from the 2011-12 school year, showed Oregon’s rate above only Nevada’s when it came to our "regulatory adjusted cohort graduation rate"; that is, the percentage of students who entered the ninth grade in 2008-09 and graduated on time four years later in June 2012.

The numbers came from the U.S. Department of Education’s second-ever compilation of comparable state-by-state graduation rates.

For 2012, the numbers show, Nevada ranked dead last, at 63 percent, with Oregon next-worst, at 68 percent.
 
Let us not lose sight of the ball here, this carbon tax has no real world purpose defined.

I have known some great teachers; Darrell Crossler,middle school name in his honor in Salem, Don McCluskey of Rex Putnam, Russ Shoemaker of West Linn.
And more, great people and they all never fail to approve of a new tax. All these great guy are retired now except Darrell, he passed on. When we were younger
each groused a bit about their pay, one of them bought a car I no longer needed with the lament, I wish I could afford a new one.
Now that they are retired, I think their true pay is now apparent. I'll add my own brother inlaw to the group, a retired professor, Dr Gary of the U of Illinois.
Each of these retired educators collect a defined retirement plan check every month. Defined benefit plans are about extinct in the private sector, but I do know
a few people collecting today, including myself, retired from IBM. I do not know a person anywhere collecting on a retirement check from a private company
that is even near the amount paid to these retired teachers. The teacher collect between 4 to 6 times what any of the private defined benefit retirement plans pay.
There will be no comparison at all when the current private plans run their course. People do not get these pension plans anymore, except in government or
the teachers union.

I don't know how long the average dumb Joe can keep this up, but he sure as hell doesn't need a carbon tax hung on his harness to go with the already heavy
burden.
 
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I can comment on teachers in Oregon, having gone to a shitty school (McKay in Salem) that we had some of the worst teachers ever in terms of actual teaching ability. A lot of them were good people but a lot of them were either ideological or just didn't take the time to explain the curriculum without getting frustrated.

Idk what the solution would be to do this but my guess would be higher wages (by relocating funding) maybe to give them incentive to be better at their jobs.
 
MarAzul said:
He is a letter mailed out from my Senator, stating it like it is. Now is the time for sure to catch on, it is almost too late, so hurry!

From Senator Jeff Kruse;


Oregon has 3.1% of the population of the United States and the United States has approximately 3% of the world population. In rough numbers that means Oregon has 0.000057% of the population of the planet.
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Ha ha ha.

Someones is very no goodly with the math-type thingy.

barfo
 
jlprk said:
This is great, having you conservatives on board. With all this unhypocritical unity, we'll stop all this deficit spending on war, defense, spying, police, and protection of rich people in no time.
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This is really an odd comment. In the last 3 of 5 wars the U.S. has been a part of, a democratic presidency was leading the country. WW2, Korean, Vietnam
 
MarAzul said:
The error hardly alters the point, heh!
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Error, singular? None of the three numbers he mentions are even close to correct.

Hope you aren't letting him help you build your boat. You'd end up with a mast that was 3 millimeters tall. Or maybe 3 miles tall.

barfo
 
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