Wallace Diop and Augustine for Miller/Camby

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Ya, his somewhat scary decline this year and lengthy injury history is my only concern.
 
andalusian said:
How the hell is Wallace the best player in the deal? He has lower PER, EWA and VA than Miller and Miller gets his contributions in 5 MPG less than Wallace (thus his EWA/VA are much better than Wallace's). Camby has a higher PER, almost the same EWA (despite the fact that he plays 10 mpg less per game) and a lower VA (again, plays much less).

Gerald Wallace production this year took a fall this year, not as bad as Brandon Roy's production fall, but a significant one...
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Wallace is having an off year. If he were not, there's no way that we could get him for this price.

I ascribe much less weight to 24 games than I do to the previous five seasons, where he had PERs between 21 and 17.5.

Roy's struggles wouldn't bother me, either, except he is broken. He might adapt, but we KNOW he'll never be the same, physically. There's no indication of that being the case with Wallace and, at age 28, I doubt he's going to fall off of a cliff.

Wallace is the best player in the deal, both now and (especially) into the future.

Ed O.
 
I'm confused why everyone is talking about Miller as if he's garbage and has one foot into retirement. The dude is straight balling, and isn't showing any signs of slowing down.

Even with that, I think I do this trade, albeit reluctantly.
 
I'd reluctantly do this deal. I hate the downgrade at point guard, but Augustin hasn't been terrible and is still pretty young. I've always really liked Wallace as a player and as long as he bounces back, he'd be a nice piece to add. With Miller and Camby only having perhaps one more year with Portland, this seems like enough value.
 
Ed O said:
Wallace is having an off year. If he were not, there's no way that we could get him for this price.

I ascribe much less weight to 24 games than I do to the previous five seasons, where he had PERs between 21 and 17.5.
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Dude had a PER of 21 5 years ago.

Last 3 years (not including this one) were 17.5, 18.3, 18.6 - practically the same or lower as Miller, other than the fact that Miller actually has not fallen off this year and is much more durable than Wallace.

There's no indication of that being the case with Wallace and, at age 28, I doubt he's going to fall off of a cliff.
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I am going to argue against it - he is an undersized 4 that relies on being able to go harder than anyone around him to get his numbers. With him getting into the later part of his career - he is more likely to fall off than someone like Miller that relies on skill, deception and BBIQ.

Wallace is the best player in the deal, both now and (especially) into the future.
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Wallace has not been the best player in this deal in the last 3 years, he most certainly is not this year - and with his style of play and injury concerns - I have big concerns that the chasm between Miller and him is going to grow...

I have no problems with doing a deal for Crash, I have no problem with a deal that sends Camby and Miller out for Crash, DJ and... - but that "and..." needs to be much sweeter than Diop's miserable production and ugly contract.
 
RoyToy said:
Diop has kind of a nasty contract for his production. 3 years left(3rd year is a PO) at $6.5M/$7.0M/$7.4M

Who the hell signed him to that?
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Assuming you mean the 3 years include this one then it's not actually as bad as you make it sound. The lockout could wipe out year two and he'd be a potentially valuable expiring contract in year three. It's bad given how unproductive he is, but it's not a killer.
 
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cause jordan wants to shed salary... and cause they are 9-18

did you really need that explained?
 
Dallas signed Diop to that deal! WTF!
 
Carden said:
Why on Earth would Charlotte do this?

Terrible idea.
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I was thinking the same thing but about us....... why would we do it. I can understand Jordan wanting more vets.
 
of course you were lmao

wallace sucks. camby and miller are all stars in hcps world cause they give his ego the time of day
 
HCP said:
I was thinking the same thing but about us....... why would we do it. I can understand Jordan wanting more vets.
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We would do it because we would get the best player in the deal.
 
no the guy who covers the team did... see articles
 
If there really is a lockout next year, then even if we did re-sign Camby and Miller they are going to be 36 and 38 the next year they suit up. Yikes.

I think you really do have to do that trade. I'm a much bigger fan of Camby and Miller than I am of Wallace, but the meter is running on those guys.

Besides, if Charlotte continues to flame out like it has been, Miller might be an easy acquisition for us to get after the lockout anyway. His star will have fallen and a lot of GM's will look at his age and pass on him. Kind of like when we traded away Blake and the re-acquired him the next season.
 
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mook said:
If there really is a lockout next year, then even if we did re-sign Camby and Miller they are going to be 36 and 38 the next year they suit up. Yikes.

I think you really do have to do that trade. I'm a much bigger fan of Camby and Miller than I am of Wallace, but the meter is running on those guys.

Besides, if Charlotte continues to flame out like it has been, Miller might be an easy acquisition for us to get after the lockout anyway. His star will have fallen and a lot of GM's will look at his age and pass on him. Kind of like when we traded away Blake and the re-acquired him the next season.
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I agree that the meter is running on Miller and Camby and I think that Cho needs to find a way to move them so that the Blazers don't lose their value after this year. None of us know whether this is the best deal out there that accomplishes that. As far as re-acquiring Miller, I'd really be surprised if either side would be looking at that after the lockout.
 
I love Wallace's game....... but I hate DJ's as much! Diop is an overpriced scrub! I think we could get much more fro Camby and Dre.
 
Augustin is the player LMA really wanted prior to that draft. Of course being a fellow Texas Longhorn I'm sure that wasn't a biased opinion.
 
One of my buddies just texted me that this deal is dead. Not sure of source yet, but he said he read it online.
 
I don't like the deal. Again, there has got to be better deals out there.

2 years ago. I probably do it. But, the way Wallace plays with reckless abandon, I don't think he's going to be a player that is really effective at an older age. Then Augustin is a way undersized PG. Diop has a horrible contract and sucks.

I'm sure there is better options out there.
 
2 seasons ago this trade would have been:

Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw/Raef LaFrentz

for

Gerald Wallace/DJ Augustin/Desagna Diop

Does that sound any better to anyone? Because that's what this trade is (Camby=Blake/Outlaw) + (Dre=Raef LaFrentz EC)...........
 
DJ Augustin
5'11" | 180 lbs. | Age: 23
12.6 PPG | 6.0 APG | 35 3PT% | 42 FG% | 14.7 PER

Meh...
 
EWT said:
2 seasons ago this trade would have been:

Steve Blake/Travis Outlaw/Raef LaFrentz

for

Gerald Wallace/DJ Augustin/Desagna Diop

Does that sound any better to anyone? Because that's what this trade is (Camby=Blake/Outlaw) + (Dre=Raef LaFrentz EC)...........
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It all depends on how much you value DJ and Crash.

I do not think they would have traded Crash for two backups and taking Diops contract of their hands, let alone throw in DJ.
 
What I don't get is why you fire Larry Brown and THEN do this deal. LB would LOVE to have Camby and Miller! I thought they fired Brown so that they could get YOUNGER.

Essentially this deal is Miller and Camby for Gerald Wallace. (Diop is filler, Patty Mills could probably produce like Augustin in comparable minutes and I'd rather give time to Armon to develop. Augustin's only positive is that he's an old pal of LaMarcus's.)

We get the short end of that. Yes, Wallace is younger, but given the way he plays, he'll be declining pretty quickly from here on out.

Ask me again after a few ugly losses in a row, though, and I'll jump at it.
 
This sounds almost too good to be true to me (which makes me wonder if it passes the sniff test at all). I'm not a huge fan of Augustin, but he is 4th in the league in assist to turnover ratio and very young/inexpensive. Wallace is the steal here. Granted, he's had a slow start this season, but he was an all-star and 1st team all defense LAST SEASON. And he's only 28. If he wasn't starting this season slowly, he probably would be untouchable. So this is the exact type of scenario Cho should be looking for. How the hell else are we going to get an all-star in his prime without giving up LMA/Batum/Matthews - whom, mind you, have never been all stars.
If the report is true that the Blazers are the ones balking on this deal, I would say Cho officially over-analyzes everything to a fault.
 
There were and are several versions of this trade that have been or are still being attempted. One option has been sending DJ Augustin and Tyrus Thomas to Portland for Miller and Fernandez.
 
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