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PtldPlatypus said:
I think the issue is not about whether the US had authorization to act in the specific location, so much as whether the action against the specific individual might reasonably be considered an act of war. An operation against OBL really couldn't, whereas this certainly can.
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No, it can't. Not reasonably.
 
e_blazer said:
I get the last part, but I think had Pakistan wanted to, they could have claimed that unauthorized military actions by a foreign power within their borders constituted an act of war.
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Aiding and abetting a terrorist organization is an act of war. Pakistan and Iraq are both guilty of it.
 
jonnyboy said:
Like funding ISIS? What about selling weapons to Saudi Arabia? Gotta ask the simple questions.
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I need to watch this movie again. From what I remember, it was pretty funny.

 
The Professional Fan said:
Was Iran coming after you, your family or neighbors? They (supposedly) attacked and embassy that was highly fortified and already mostly evacuated. If I thought myself, my family and loved ones were in danger from Iran, yes, I would want to fight. I just don't think this even remotely qualifies and could potentially send us into a massive war with two unhinged leaders at the helm. I just don't see how this is good in any way.
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Iran's LEADERS have been publicly, regularly and continually promised that they will kill Americans and destroy America for over 40 years now, and have followed through on their threats in nearly a dozen countries through their terrorist proxies and their official military.
Deep State warmongers have deliberately abetted this to support wars for profit.
Surgical strikes taking out the actual leaders of terrorism has always the obvious solution, and the treasonous failure of all previous Presidents to even attempt to go after them proves that POTUS Trump is the first Real American President in decades.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
For very different reasons Russia and Israel both want us in a military conflict with the middle east. Hopefully reports of further potential attacks by Iran is not coming from either of them.
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It's coming very publicly and directly from Iran's LEADERS, who for the first time are feeling some personal fear from the US.

Talk of all out war is coming from the Dems and the rest of the Deep State, in hopes they can provoke it.

POTUS Trump will not bite, but he will certainly go after the LEADERS who threaten America, be they foreign or domestic.

Odds are John Kerry may meet his maker while colluding with them.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Let's take a complete overview of this situation.

1. Iran started it with the attack against our embassy in Iraq.

2. The guy we just killed was an evil piece of shit.

3. Trump does not read briefings or listen to experts.

4. Trump has a very short attention span.

5. We closed all diplomatic channels when we pulled out of the Iranian Nuclear Deal and imposed sanctions.

6. We as a nation are in a very difficult position with questionable leadership guiding us.
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1 and 2 are correct.

3-6 are TDS nonsense.
 
The Professional Fan said:
Nope. Do you see how this is different though? We assassinated a high ranking military "officer" of a sovereign nation. I've been wondering though, because the assassination was done in Iraq did we just bend the rules a little? I mean, this dude was a piece of shit and I have a hard time not being happy about it.
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No difference.

Labels will not protect anyone who threatens America on POTUS Trump's watch.
 
MARIS61 said:
No difference.

Labels will not protect anyone who threatens America on POTUS Trump's watch.
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Trump is a runaway idiot with no plan and no clue on diplomacy. The Art of the Deal is really the Art of the Bull Shit and you bought it hook, line and sinker.
 
The Professional Fan said:
Who is it?
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Communist daughter of communist parents, named her daughter after a communist murderess. Anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-free trade, promoter of the Deep State mantra to always vote for the lesser of 2 evils, active supporter of nearly every enemy of America. .
 
jonnyboy said:
Well, a lot of these folks on social media didn’t seem to have a problem with Obama’s unauthorized drone strikes, I have to bring this up just to point out irony. BUT...with that being said, screw it. Now is as good of a time as ever for people to wake the fuck up. I’m completely content with saying fuck Trump right alongside people on the left or whoever else, so long as they are against war. It time for people to stand up against the media and the military industrial complex and get us the hell out of the Middle East. A war with Iran will be catastrophic.
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Iran declared war on America 40 years ago. Iran has been murdering Americans around the globe for 40 years, without penalty or opposition from our Deep State puppet Presidents.

The very definition of endless war.

POTUS Trump is cleaning house on a worldwide scale. Taking out the Deep State and their henchmen wherever they hide.

Leaderless armies tend to dissolve the first time they don't get paid.
 
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CupWizier said:
our forum right wing radical only believes alternative facts.
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I’m telling you, the ignore button is a wonderful thing. I’m assuming posts like this are re Maris and I haven’t thought about those bozo posts in weeks
 
I am 100% certain that the only part of the Iran nuclear deal Trump read was Barack Obama's signature.

He does not listen to national security or diplomatic briefings, since he has the very best brain. Had he done so he might have learned the treaty was the result of months of international negotiations. That Iran had a hard line faction that wanted a theocracy and military adventures, and a moderate faction that was ready to trade military might for economic development, that wanted integration into the world. That the treaty was a victory for this moderate, pro-Western, faction. And that pulling out of the treaty dealt them a major blow; the hardliners said see, you can't trust America, they give their word and break it.

Trump was going to replace the treaty with a better deal, but was too busy with golf, tweeting, and campaign rallies.

Trump is not a strategic thinker. He is a showman. He wanted a big splash that he could talk about at campaign rallies.

Suleimani was not a nice guy, but as Congressman Ro Khanna pointed out, if killing bad guys made us safer, Iraq and Afghanistan would be as safe as Switzerland. The US has been killing bad guys for nearly 2 decades.

Two US presidents thought killing him was too risky. So did Israel, who has not avoided risk-taking. It's not like Osama bin Laden, stateless and hiding out in Pakistan. This was a high ranking official of a sovereign country, and the US carried out assassination and bombings in another sovereign country without their consent. These are acts of war, and Trump has no idea what to do.

Supposedly the intelligence services, that Trump calls traitors and liars, determined an imminent action against an American target. First, we can't trust a person who lies about everything. Second, even if true, killing Suleimani does not eliminate the militia. His deputy, who has been at his side for decades, stepped in and took command.

If this made us safer, why were US personnel ordered to evacuate?

Iraq has been rocked by mostly youthful demonstrators. They are sick of militia killings and factionalism. They supported a democratic, secular, nationalist movement. End to division between Sunni and Shia, between Christian and Muslim. Guess what? They are now demonstrating against the US.

What happens next?

Trump said if there is war it will be over soon. When did we hear that? When the Confederate traitors fired on Fort Sumter, they promised a victory by Christmas. Their defeat took four years. France and Germany thought they could settle their 1914 squabble in a few weeks. It resulted in a World War that lasted four years. The Pentagon and State Department sent their people to Vietnam, where commanders in the field told them the war was unwinnable, they then returned and told the press there was light at the end of the tunnel and victory was soon. The Bush Administration promised the occupation of Iraq would be a matter of weeks, not months or years, and that it would pay for itself.

The US is now less safe. Israel is less safe. Iraq is less safe. At a time when we need diplomacy and careful assessment of facts, the White House is occupied by an impulsive, ignorant person absolutely convinced of his own omniscience.
 
crandc said:
I am 100% certain that the only part of the Iran nuclear deal Trump read was Barack Obama's signature.

He does not listen to national security or diplomatic briefings, since he has the very best brain. Had he done so he might have learned the treaty was the result of months of international negotiations. That Iran had a hard line faction that wanted a theocracy and military adventures, and a moderate faction that was ready to trade military might for economic development, that wanted integration into the world. That the treaty was a victory for this moderate, pro-Western, faction. And that pulling out of the treaty dealt them a major blow; the hardliners said see, you can't trust America, they give their word and break it.

Trump was going to replace the treaty with a better deal, but was too busy with golf, tweeting, and campaign rallies.

Trump is not a strategic thinker. He is a showman. He wanted a big splash that he could talk about at campaign rallies.

Suleimani was not a nice guy, but as Congressman Ro Khanna pointed out, if killing bad guys made us safer, Iraq and Afghanistan would be as safe as Switzerland. The US has been killing bad guys for nearly 2 decades.

Two US presidents thought killing him was too risky. So did Israel, who has not avoided risk-taking. It's not like Osama bin Laden, stateless and hiding out in Pakistan. This was a high ranking official of a sovereign country, and the US carried out assassination and bombings in another sovereign country without their consent. These are acts of war, and Trump has no idea what to do.

Supposedly the intelligence services, that Trump calls traitors and liars, determined an imminent action against an American target. First, we can't trust a person who lies about everything. Second, even if true, killing Suleimani does not eliminate the militia. His deputy, who has been at his side for decades, stepped in and took command.

If this made us safer, why were US personnel ordered to evacuate?

Iraq has been rocked by mostly youthful demonstrators. They are sick of militia killings and factionalism. They supported a democratic, secular, nationalist movement. End to division between Sunni and Shia, between Christian and Muslim. Guess what? They are now demonstrating against the US.

What happens next?

Trump said if there is war it will be over soon. When did we hear that? When the Confederate traitors fired on Fort Sumter, they promised a victory by Christmas. Their defeat took four years. France and Germany thought they could settle their 1914 squabble in a few weeks. It resulted in a World War that lasted four years. The Pentagon and State Department sent their people to Vietnam, where commanders in the field told them the war was unwinnable, they then returned and told the press there was light at the end of the tunnel and victory was soon. The Bush Administration promised the occupation of Iraq would be a matter of weeks, not months or years, and that it would pay for itself.

The US is now less safe. Israel is less safe. Iraq is less safe. At a time when we need diplomacy and careful assessment of facts, the White House is occupied by an impulsive, ignorant person absolutely convinced of his own omniscience.
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Outstanding post. About as clear, concise and on point as you can possibly be. Nicely done @crandc !
 
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