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SlyPokerDog said:
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Fake numbers. States have spent wàaaaaay more than $20 billion to end homelessness and have only increased homelessness.
SNAP is barely needed anymore because jobs are available to anyone who wants one.
Schools are already over funded.
Student debt is the responsibility of the students, as my home debt is my responsibility. Not even a credible issue to bring up.
The post suggests we don't need a military and we should fire all of them. That's going to create an awful lot more homeless people, and the fall of our country in an invasion.
 
barfo said:
I don't see how Trump can possibly make any sort of deal with Iran at this point. He broke the last deal we made with them, why should they trust him/us?

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America never made a deal with Iran.

That's good because Iran has never kept their word with anyone, ever.

I know, shocking that a culture of homophobic, misogynistic, cowardly murderers would deliberately lie to people they have threatened to kill, but that's how they roll.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So you're saying that if we were to assassinate you everyone in the forum would stop arguing and unite?
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As long as it's someone else, anyone else, I'm for it.
 
MARIS61 said:
Fake numbers. States have spent wàaaaaay more than $20 billion to end homelessness and have only increased homelessness.
SNAP is barely needed anymore because jobs are available to anyone who wants one.
Schools are already over funded.
Student debt is the responsibility of the students, as my home debt is my responsibility. Not even a credible issue to bring up.
The post suggests we don't need a military and we should fire all of them. That's going to create an awful lot more homeless people, and the fall of our country in an invasion.
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So, you favor ending food for hungry Americans. Must be a Trump supporter.
 
The Professional Fan said:
The embassy thing in Iraq being blamed on Iranians (might have some credibility I don’t really know) and now this. This really feels like an escalation that we may not be able to come back from without full blown war. Experts saying retaliation for this will far exceed the embassy attack and be far wider range into the west. Any non conspiracy theorists that have insight into this care to chime in?
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Perhaps someone in the State department can back channel intel to them this started from a rash illogical decision and we can offer half billion for reparations.
 
Think of all that money Obama's guys channeled to them not to have nuke capability, all based on diplomacy. Trump did not think of those costs, of which were astronomically high and will be worse in all markets worldwide. The future may be un approachable once jihad starts. Bet you the Chinese and Russians found another strategic partner in their anger. Way to bludgeon our future orange head. BBLDwtM.jpg
 
MARIS61 said:
America never made a deal with Iran.

That's good because Iran has never kept their word with anyone, ever.

I know, shocking that a culture of homophobic, misogynistic, cowardly murderers would deliberately lie to people they have threatened to kill, but that's how they roll.
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Another one bites the dust as the Pentagon Chief of Staff resigns. Just another long list of people who have resigned or been fired in this administration. Why can't your boy keep anyone for very long term?
 
stampedehero said:
Think of all that money Obama's guys channeled to them not to have nuke capability, all based on diplomacy. Trump did not think of those costs, of which were astronomically high and will be worse in all markets worldwide. The future may be un approachable once jihad starts. Bet you the Chinese and Russians found another strategic partner in their anger. Way to bludgeon our future orange head. View attachment 29317
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The money that was given to Iran during the Obama administration:
1. It was Iran's money. They had purchased some fighter aircraft and that deal was nixed when Iran had their revolution. Yes, we owed it to them;
2. It was not given by Obama. It was negotiated in our peace deal with Iran which included a shutdown of Iran's nuclear program for ten years plus making it really difficult and nearly impossible for them to restart their program after ten years that was agreed to by our NATO allies plus Russia plus China. Obama was one of many people who agreed to the deal.

Trump's decision to pull out of the deal with Iran as well as the decision to assassinate General Soleimani was strictly his decision. The assassinations was a spur of the moment decision against the advice of many of his supporters in the administration. Of course, those people all changed their tune after the assassination because they knew they'd get the ax like so many before if they didn't toe the line.
 
Trump is pissed off that it was pointed out destroying cultural and religious sites is a war crime. I highly doubt Trump has actually picked 52 cultural sites. He would not know a culturally important site if he fell over it. His idea of culture is Miss Universe pageant. But you know, it sounds really tough and he can say 6 presidents did not get vengeance for the hostage taking but he did! He's so tough! As others have said, speak loudly and carry a small stick.

Iraqi parliament is deciding to ask US troops to leave. Trump has said if they do that they will face economic sanctions like the world has never seen before (he loves using that kind of language). So a supposed ally, whose country the US invaded, whose government the US installed, decides they want US forces to leave because their sovereignty was violated, and his response is to threaten them with economic ruin. Very persuasive.

Trump is also saying, and the Republican cult echoing, that impeachment proceedings have to end. He can't be impeached because the US is in a war he started.
 
crandc said:
Trump is pissed off that it was pointed out destroying cultural and religious sites is a war crime. I highly doubt Trump has actually picked 52 cultural sites. He would not know a culturally important site if he fell over it. His idea of culture is Miss Universe pageant. But you know, it sounds really tough and he can say 6 presidents did not get vengeance for the hostage taking but he did! He's so tough! As others have said, speak loudly and carry a small stick.

Iraqi parliament is deciding to ask US troops to leave. Trump has said if they do that they will face economic sanctions like the world has never seen before (he loves using that kind of language). So a supposed ally, whose country the US invaded, whose government the US installed, decides they want US forces to leave because their sovereignty was violated, and his response is to threaten them with economic ruin. Very persuasive.

Trump is also saying, and the Republican cult echoing, that impeachment proceedings have to end. He can't be impeached because the US is in a war he started.
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And yet, his blind sheep continue to flock around him.
 
crandc said:
Trump is pissed off that it was pointed out destroying cultural and religious sites is a war crime. I highly doubt Trump has actually picked 52 cultural sites. He would not know a culturally important site if he fell over it. His idea of culture is Miss Universe pageant. But you know, it sounds really tough and he can say 6 presidents did not get vengeance for the hostage taking but he did! He's so tough! As others have said, speak loudly and carry a small stick.

Iraqi parliament is deciding to ask US troops to leave. Trump has said if they do that they will face economic sanctions like the world has never seen before (he loves using that kind of language). So a supposed ally, whose country the US invaded, whose government the US installed, decides they want US forces to leave because their sovereignty was violated, and his response is to threaten them with economic ruin. Very persuasive.

Trump is also saying, and the Republican cult echoing, that impeachment proceedings have to end. He can't be impeached because the US is in a war he started.
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Trump's people are now saying that Trump did not say what he said. (destroying cultural and religious sites)

I shit you not.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Trump's people are now saying that Trump did not say what he said. (destroying cultural and religious sites)

I shit you not.
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Of course they are. You can show them the tweet and they will try to spin it even tbough it is his exact words
 
crandc said:
Iraqi parliament is deciding to ask US troops to leave.
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That's disingenuous and purposely misleading. Or maybe you don't know anything about Iraq. :dunno:

Iraq's Parliament is made up of a Shia majority (the crazy, rabid, bloodthirsty, beheading arm of their "ideology") and a minority of Sunnis ( the oppressed, more peaceful and rational arm of their "ideology").

The Sunnis did not participate in the vote, as the vote was in their opinion a political farce by a corrupt majority along the lines of the fake impeachment the House has chickened out on proceeding with. They know that if/when America withdraws their troops, their futures will have no hope.
 
As for The Hague Convention of 1954, the left's newly discovered pet outrage trigger, Iran is one of the dozen or so countries to refuse to sign it.

They are also the prime violators of it.

Destruction of cultural heritage by ISIL

Deliberate destruction and theft of cultural heritage has been conducted by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant since 2014 in Iraq, Syria, and to a lesser extent in Libya. The destruction targets various places of worship under ISIL control and ancient historical artifacts. In Iraq, between the fall of Mosul in June 2014 and February 2015, ISIL has plundered and destroyed at least 28 historical religious buildings.[34] The valuable items from some buildings were looted in order to smuggle and sell them to finance ISIL activities.[34]

Although Libya, Syria and Iraq ratified the Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict in 1957, 1958 and 1967 respectively,[35] it has not been effectively enforced.

Iran and Iraq are ISIL's main contributors now that POTUS Trump has destroyed most of their oilfields and froze their financial holdings.
 
The Hague Convention offers no protection for many cultural sites:

To receive special protection, cultural property must also be located an adequate distance from an industrial center or location which would render it vulnerable to attack, and must not be used for military purposes.
 
stampedehero said:
It's FUBAR...…….
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The article is based on Obama and Bush warmongers, none of whom have ever won a war, most of whom have been fired or retired, who present the Deep State rule book for how to conduct endless wars.

Not one sentence in the article reflects Trump's thinking or his goals. Exactly opposite, in fact.

It's like asking Bill Hanzlick, Leonard Hamilton and Don Casey how Stotts should guide the Blazers to another Championship.
 
'Completely coincidental': Air Force launches 52 fighter jets in training exercise


FILE - In this March 14, 2014 file photo, a U.S. Air Force F-35A Lightning II makes a flyby after an unveiling celebration takes place at Luke Air Force Base for the delivery of the first F-35A fighter jet, in ... more >
By - Associated Press - Monday, January 6, 2020
HILL AIR FORCE BASE, Utah — The U.S. Air Force conducted an exercise involving the launch of 52 fighter jets from a Utah air base, officials said.

Hill Air Force Base launched the F-35A Lightning II fighters over a 10-minute period around 11 a.m. Monday, The Standard-Examiner reports.

The 388th and 419th Fighter Wings conducted the combat exercise that sent the jets west to the Utah Test and Training Range to perform various missions.

Col. Michael Ebner, the 388th vice commander, said Monday’s exercise had been planned as a “culminating event” after the two fighter wings received their full complement of fighter jets.

While the effort was intended to demonstrate an ability to conduct large-scale combat deployment in a short time, it was not in direct response to the United States’ escalating situation with Iran, Ebner said.

“That’s completely coincidental,” Ebner said.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-properties-could-become-iranian-targets-190912364.html

Iran likely to hit Trump properties to hurt him personally. Actually, it would probably sabe Trump who is losing money at several properties every year. He would probably be happy to collect insurance.

On the other hand, if Iran attacks his foriegn properties, Trump cannot respond with American forces. That would represent a conflict of interest. Waiting to hear he is using government resources to protect his private properties.

The threat may send vacancies at Trump properties skyrocketing. No one wants to stay there if Iran is going to attack them.
 
Chris Craig said:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-properties-could-become-iranian-targets-190912364.html

Iran likely to hit Trump properties to hurt him personally. Actually, it would probably sabe Trump who is losing money at several properties every year. He would probably be happy to collect insurance.

On the other hand, if Iran attacks his foriegn properties, Trump cannot respond with American forces. That would represent a conflict of interest. Waiting to hear he is using government resources to protect his private properties.

The threat may send vacancies at Trump properties skyrocketing. No one wants to stay there if Iran is going to attack them.
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Got a link to back up that he can't use the military if they attack his properties?

I'll read any ridiculous thing.

I want all of our Troops out decades ago but that is just nonsense.
 
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