Warren LeGarie......is he our benedict arnold?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Coach Dean Demopolous, another LeGarie client is not being retained......maybe LeGarie is the architect of everything happening.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/warren-legarie-blazer-fan

Sorry, but I almost lost my breakfast over that one. See, I go back a ways with LeGarie. I co-wrote Rick Adelman’s chronicle of the 1990 Trail Blazer season called, “The Long Hot Winter.” In that book, Adelman — and I can remember how emotional he was about this part when we talked about it at the time — scorched LeGarie for his role in helping push Drazen Petrovic out of Portland.

Early in November of 1990, the Blazers were off to a 6-0 start and all was well. It was obvious they would have one of the best teams in the league. Petrovic, still early in his career, wasn’t going to play much behind Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Danny Ainge and Danny Young, but the Blazers loved him and knew he’d someday be a very good player. But Petro, one of my all-time favorite Blazers, was going to have to be patient and wait his turn.

But LeGarie was his agent and just couldn’t wait. He wanted minutes for his client and he wanted them immediately. So he had Drazen tell the press that if he didn’t play more he wanted a trade or he’d go back to Europe. The team knew it wasn’t coming from Petrovic — it was his agent, stirring up stuff on a winning team.

 

[BrianFromWA]

he doesn't do players anymore, he's strictly coaches and GM's (you can't do both). Vecsey wrote an article about him in March that claimed LeGarie was all about replacing his clients with his clients, in order to keep the commission churn coming. March 21, iirc.

 

[Wheels]

Sorry cant stomach reading the garbage Dwight Jaynes writes.

 

[Duckhook]

I've seen all I want to see of LeGarie over the years at the LV summer league. This douche, in his faux Tommy Bahama, blue jeans and cowboy boots reeks of pompous dicktitude. I'm shocked KP and Dem would associate themselves with this scumbag, but then again he was doing their dirty work in negotiations so maybe he's not too bad to have on your side. Sitting next to him courtside at Thomas and Mack for an hour made me want to take another shower. For example, my wife and I were sitting near half court and the Maloofs sat down next to us - no biggy, and they were really cool guys. No sooner had they sat next to us, slimeball LeGarie comes out of no where and tells my wife and I to scoot over so he could talk (hound) the Maloofs. They kept telling him they would talk to him later as they were watching Spencer Hawes (who was a rookie then). He was standing in front of my wife at courtside and wouldn't move until we moved. Finally, he said "just move, will ya?" and we relented. After a while of listening to this bafoon pester the Maloofs, Joe Maloof got up and sat on the other side of my wife and I, directly to my right. He had enough of LeGarie and was pissed. I struck up a conversation with Joe about Hawes and he was REALLY cool - he was curteous to LeGarie, but obviously didn't like the guy.

I'm not happy with the way the Blazers handled KP and Dem, but I can't blame them for not wanting ANYTHING to do with LeGarie.

 

[maxiep]

A good agent will generally find a "win-win" scenario. This guy reminds me of Drew Rosenhaus.

 

[Idog1976]

I've seen all I want to see of LeGarie over the years at the LV summer league. This douche, in his faux Tommy Bahama, blue jeans and cowboy boots reeks of pompous dicktitude. I'm shocked KP and Dem would associate themselves with this scumbag, but then again he was doing their dirty work in negotiations so maybe he's not too bad to have on your side. Sitting next to him courtside at Thomas and Mack for an hour made me want to take another shower. For example, my wife and I were sitting near half court and the Maloofs sat down next to us - no biggy, and they were really cool guys. No sooner had they sat next to us, slimeball LeGarie comes out of no where and tells my wife and I to scoot over so he could talk (hound) the Maloofs. They kept telling him they would talk to him later as they were watching Spencer Hawes (who was a rookie then). He was standing in front of my wife at courtside and wouldn't move until we moved. Finally, he said "just move, will ya?" and we relented. After a while of listening to this bafoon pester the Maloofs, Joe Maloof got up and sat on the other side of my wife and I, directly to my right. He had enough of LeGarie and was pissed. I struck up a conversation with Joe about Hawes and he was REALLY cool - he was curteous to LeGarie, but obviously didn't like the guy.

I'm not happy with the way the Blazers handled KP and Dem, but I can't blame them for not wanting ANYTHING to do with LeGarie.

Thanks for the first hand info. The plot thickens. The more time goes on, and I will get crucified for this, the more I think this KP thing could be good for the Blazers in the long run once things settle down.

Between Legarie and some other revelations of Medicore Man, you with the Legaire account, Patterson and that other guy that PapaG hates so much (blanking on the name) all point in the same direction. There was shady dealings KP was involved with at least as a willing pawn if not worse. That's bullshit and Allen was right to fire him. Allen isn't a people person and Vulcan fucknuts are worse. I bet the Asperger's to not ration in Vulcan is about 35:3. They don't understand a fucking thing about people.

So there are no hero's for sure. That said getting rid of this cloak and dagger bullshit is a step in the right direction. We have the talent, it would be nice to get Collison without giving up a core guy, but nothing will make more of a difference for this team then health.

 

[BGrantFan]

Coach Dean Demopolous, another LeGarie client is not being retained......maybe LeGarie is the architect of everything happening.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/warren-legarie-blazer-fan

Sounds like LaGarie did what was best for his client. Dwight Jaynes can't be so dumb to think that an agent's job is to do anything other than what is best for his client, right?

Regardless of what Drazen said, ownership blinked and granted him his wish. Also, keeping him behind Young was a fucking travesty, and a bad move by Adelman.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

wonder if thing about KP being low paid GM is true, if so, LeGarie has to suck

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

we need to do a Vulcan expose one day.....

 

[Masbee]

I've seen all I want to see of LeGarie over the years at the LV summer league. This douche, in his faux Tommy Bahama, blue jeans and cowboy boots reeks of pompous dicktitude. I'm shocked KP and Dem would associate themselves with this scumbag, but then again he was doing their dirty work in negotiations so maybe he's not too bad to have on your side. Sitting next to him courtside at Thomas and Mack for an hour made me want to take another shower. For example, my wife and I were sitting near half court and the Maloofs sat down next to us - no biggy, and they were really cool guys. No sooner had they sat next to us, slimeball LeGarie comes out of no where and tells my wife and I to scoot over so he could talk (hound) the Maloofs. They kept telling him they would talk to him later as they were watching Spencer Hawes (who was a rookie then). He was standing in front of my wife at courtside and wouldn't move until we moved. Finally, he said "just move, will ya?" and we relented. After a while of listening to this bafoon pester the Maloofs, Joe Maloof got up and sat on the other side of my wife and I, directly to my right. He had enough of LeGarie and was pissed. I struck up a conversation with Joe about Hawes and he was REALLY cool - he was curteous to LeGarie, but obviously didn't like the guy.

I'm not happy with the way the Blazers handled KP and Dem, but I can't blame them for not wanting ANYTHING to do with LeGarie.

Why the hell did you give up your seat?

Warren: Pal, scootch down so I can take your seat.
Masbee: I am not your pal. Take a fucking hike.

 

[Masbee]

Sounds like LaGarie did what was best for his client. Dwight Jaynes can't be so dumb to think that an agent's job is to do anything other than what is best for his client, right?

Regardless of what Drazen said, ownership blinked and granted him his wish. Also, keeping him behind Young was a fucking travesty, and a bad move by Adelman.

What!!!!

Do you know anything about basketball.

In the playoffs, defense is essential to winning.

Drazen, RIP, was an amazing scorer, but defense to him was poison. He was TERRIBLE.

Aldeman is a great coach. Screw you for throwing him under the bus for making the right choice.

 

[Duckhook]

Why the hell did you give up your seat?

Warren: Pal, scootch down so I can take your seat.
Masbee: I am not your pal. Take a fucking hike.

Well, LeGarie essentially runs the LV summer league. Being a dick to him would have been a quick ticket to the parking lot. I wanted to see Oden play so I was happy. And LeGarie is still a douche - he has to live with himself, not me.

 

[Masbee]

Well, LeGarie essentially runs the LV summer league. Being a dick to him would have been a quick ticket to the parking lot. I wanted to see Oden play so I was happy. And LeGarie is still a douche - he has to live with himself, not me.

Gotcha. Now I understand. Would have moved too.

 

[BGrantFan]

What!!!!

Do you know anything about basketball.

In the playoffs, defense is essential to winning.

Drazen, RIP, was an amazing scorer, but defense to him was poison. He was TERRIBLE.

Aldeman is a great coach. Screw you for throwing him under the bus for making the right choice.

I'm fine with my opinion. In Drazen's rookie year, both Young and Drazen played 12 mpg, and the team made the NBA Finals.

Starting in 1990-91, Drazen was getting 7 mpg, while Young was getting 17 mpg at the time Drazen was traded. Fast forward to the playoffs, where Young plays a whopping 5 mpg in 7 games out of a possible 16 games.

Unless Young is the best defensive player in history, I doubt he made much of a difference in those 5 minutes in less than half the games Portland played.

The next season, Young was waived, and the Blazers got nothing in return. Great fucking move, Rick!

Drazen becomes an All-Star, and Danny Young gets waived because he sucked.

Do you know anything about basketball, or are you just making things up? Adelman fucked up by playing the horrific Danny Young, and in the playoffs, when Young played for 5 mpg in less than 50% of the total games possible, it obviously turned out to be the wrong move. The year he was waived, Portland somehow managed to again make the NBA Finals, all without the brilliant defense of Danny Young!

Screw you for being ignorant to the actual facts.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngda01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petrodr01.html

 

[Masbee]

I'm fine with my opinion. In Drazen's rookie year, both Young and Drazen played 12 mpg, and the team made the NBA Finals.

Starting in 1990-91, Drazen was getting 7 mpg, while Young was getting 17 mpg at the time Drazen was traded. Fast forward to the playoffs, where Young plays a whopping 5 mpg in 7 games out of a possible 16 games.

Unless Young is the best defensive player in history, I doubt he made much of a difference in those 5 minutes in less than half the games Portland played.

The next season, Young was waived, and the Blazers got nothing in return. Great fucking move, Rick!

Drazen becomes an All-Star, and Danny Young gets waived because he sucked.

Do you know anything about basketball, or are you just making things up? Adelman fucked up by playing the horrific Danny Young, and in the playoffs, when Young played for 5 mpg in less than 50% of the total games possible, it obviously turned out to be the wrong move. The year he was waived, Portland somehow managed to again make the NBA Finals, all without the brilliant defense of Danny Young!

Screw you for being ignorant to the actual facts.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/y/youngda01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/petrodr01.html

That is the way the NBA was back then. You get in line and wait your turn.

Danny was a vet who would do what they were told, and mostly get out of the way of the stars of that team. He understood the pecking order.

Drazen was (a very cocky) sophmore who whined about shots and playing time and still needed to improve his game to adjust to the NBA.

Fine that he later became an All-Star on a team that did crap - though his stats when he made the team are barely all-star worthy. That has little to do with his time in Portland - a team that was championship caliber despite getting nothing from this "all-star".

And the main reason he wasn't getting time that year - the team was trying to win games to get a good position to be a contender. There were more pressing concerns than developing their ansty sophmore.

Drazen started out the season in a HORRIBLE shooting slump. Since Drazen was a shooter, having a shooter that doesn't shoot straight is a problem. Son, meet the bench until you can get your head out of your ass. Instead, whiney boy goes straight to Warren who attempts to disrupt the chemistry of a championship caliber team. FUCK HIM!

And anyway, your complaining about Danny Young is strange as he was a combo guard who didn't play much that year, and Drazen was a SG who couldn't swing to point. Danny Ainge got most of the backup guard minutes. It basically a 3 guard rotation - Porter/Drexler/Ainge.

Again I defend Adleman, that guard rotation kicked ass, likely the best in the NBA that year. Don't you know that?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What I found funny is the way LeGarie played Canzano. Legarie got Cazano to write and talk about exactly what he wanted.

I don't know if LeGarie could have stopped KP from being fired, but he didn't help the situation and I'm convinced made the situation between KP and management worse.

 

[BGrantFan]

And anyway, your complaining about Danny Young is strange as he was a combo guard who didn't play much that year, and Drazen was a SG who couldn't swing to point. Danny Ainge got most of the backup guard minutes. It basically a 3 guard rotation - Porter/Drexler/Ainge.

Again I defend Adleman, that guard rotation kicked ass, likely the best in the NBA that year. Don't you know that?

Dude, you're the person who said how important defense was in the playoffs. Drazen's minutes went to Young, and the team flamed out in the playoffs before Young was waived the next year.

As for "waiting in line", Drazen was a 25 year-old rookie. It's not like he was some youngster. Rick fucked up by playing Danny Young over Drazen. I do like how you stepped back a bit from your earlier "Do you know basketball!!!" bullshit. Oh well, at least we got Old Man Walter Davis and the terrible Reggie Smith for Petro!

 

[noknobs]

“He never once talked to me about his client — which was OK, because I probably wouldn’t have talked to him anyway. I don’t make a habit of talking to agents about playing time for their players. I will talk to them if the players are upset and they just want to know where he’s at. But LeGarie never had the courage to even ask me about it. He went through other people, and to the papers and the talk shows. He said a lot of things that were totally unfounded, and all he did in the long run was hurt Drazen. That’s all he did. Drazen had always been everybody’s favorite and he put him in a bad situation. And I think he did him a disservice.”

Huh, that sounds familiar. Sounds like KP's situation.

Sounds like LaGarie did what was best for his client. Dwight Jaynes can't be so dumb to think that an agent's job is to do anything other than what is best for his client, right?

I'm guessing Dwight knows that since he wrote:

Look, I understand the role of an agent. His one and only responsibility is to do what’s best for HIS CLIENT.

But the point seems to be that while the agent might think he's doing what's best for his client, in the end it's not what's best for his client. Not if this is how he prefers to operate. Burning bridges in such a small fraternity is pretty stupid.

 

[Idog1976]

What!!!!

Do you know anything about basketball.

In the playoffs, defense is essential to winning.

Drazen, RIP, was an amazing scorer, but defense to him was poison. He was TERRIBLE.

Aldeman is a great coach. Screw you for throwing him under the bus for making the right choice.

+1 Young was also 0.02 seconds from extending the closest series we've come to winning since 1977.

 

[Masbee]

Dude, you're the person who said how important defense was in the playoffs. Drazen's minutes went to Young, and the team flamed out in the playoffs before Young was waived the next year.

As for "waiting in line", Drazen was a 25 year-old rookie. It's not like he was some youngster. Rick fucked up by playing Danny Young over Drazen. I do like how you stepped back a bit from your earlier "Do you know basketball!!!" bullshit. Oh well, at least we got Old Man Walter Davis and the terrible Reggie Smith for Petro!

We will just have to disagree then.

When you are gunning for a championship you don't worry about a no-defense, can't shoot straight, not setteled into the NBA yet whiner -

no matter what YOU say.

Aldeman was right.

He hardly played Young at all. Drazen didn't get minutes unless he could fill it up. But, ya, Young got his minutes for the reasons I already explained dense boy - a shooter who can't shoot straight is as useless as tits on a bull. The guard rotation was set. That is all that team should worry about at that point.

 

[BGrantFan]

We will just have to disagree then.

When you are gunning for a championship you don't worry about a no-defense, can't shoot straight, not setteled into the NBA yet whiner -

no matter what YOU say.

Aldeman was right.

He hardly played Young at all. Drazen didn't get minutes unless he could fill it up. But, ya, Young got his minutes for the reasons I already explained dense boy - a shooter who can't shoot straight is as useless as tits on a bull. The guard rotation was set. That is all that team should worry about at that point.

Drazen turned into an All-Star who shot 45% from the 23' 6" 3-point line after leaving Portland. Young was waived a year and a half later, Walter Davis went back to Denver, and Reggie Smith did whatever the Reggie Smiths of the NBA do.

It was BAD FUCKING MOVE not playing Drazen. I think we win an NBA title with the 1992 45% 3-point shooting Drazen coming off of the bench, even instead of Old Man Ainge, his own weak defense, and his 14.3 playoff PER in 91-92.

We can agree to disagree, but I don't see how anyone can say how burying Drazen Petrovic on the bench was a good coaching move considering what Drazen did when given a chance.

 

[BGrantFan]

+1 Young was also 0.02 seconds from extending the closest series we've come to winning since 1977.

Young was fucking terrible, and he didn't extend the series. I wonder if you read my response to Masbee's post? Care to argue with the statistics, or are we just going to stick with opinions?

 

[Masbee]

Drazen turned into an All-Star who shot 45% from the 23' 6" 3-point line after leaving Portland. Young was waived a year and a half later, Walter Davis went back to Denver, and Reggie Smith did whatever the Reggie Smiths of the NBA do.

It was BAD FUCKING MOVE not playing Drazen. I think we win an NBA title with the 1992 45% 3-point shooting Drazen coming off of the bench, even instead of Old Man Ainge, his own weak defense, and his 14.3 playoff PER in 91-92.

We can agree to disagree, but I don't see how anyone can say how burying Drazen Petrovic on the bench was a good coaching move considering what Drazen did when given a chance.

You keep sayin the same things over and over as if repeating them makes them more valid.

You are Monday morning quarterbacking.

It is common.

It is classic.

It is unenlightening.

When you are in a NOW mode, you don't worry about the future, which by definition is unknown.

You have to STOP claiming that Drazen BECAME a good player later. That doesn't matter. It means little.

In the NOW of the season which you refer - Drazen:

1) couldn't defend
2) couldn't shoot - I mean AT ALL
3) came into his sophmore season in the NBA NOT READY TO PLAY
4) whined and bitched
5) went crying to his (nasty, slimy, doesn't believe in win-win) agent

What about any of that says: put aside the drive to make a championship season and make developing the above player a priority?

 

[craigehlo]

I've seen all I want to see of LeGarie over the years at the LV summer league. This douche, in his faux Tommy Bahama, blue jeans and cowboy boots reeks of pompous dicktitude.

I wondered who that guy was the few times I went down to LV Summer League. He was all over the place glad-handing coaches and players while generally looking like a total douche.

It's clear that Warren LeGarie overplayed his hand in the KP situation, ultimately getting his client fired. Aside from the "drive-by" comment, he was a constant source of leaks to the press over the last few months, which I'm sure didn't endear himself to the Blazers organization. His shenanigans seem to be a big part of poisoning the well in this situation.

 

[Duckhook]

Ring a bell?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I should rock jeans and a tommy bahama shirt when I go down there and try to get a job!

 

[craigehlo]

Ring a bell?

Yep. He's as much a fixture down there as my personal favorite, Clipper Darrell: