Warriors Interested in Roy

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Warriors Interested In Brandon Roy


The Warriors would be interested in signing Brandon Roy if he is waived by the Blazers, according to sources.

Roy’s former agent, Bob Myers, is now the assistant GM for the Warriors. Roy would also prefer to stay on the West Coast.

Golden State would prefer to sign a big man, but Roy makes sense for them to add depth as a playmaker.

The Oregonian reported on Monday that the Blazers intend to use their amnesty clause on Roy immediately.

Via Marcus Thompson/Contra Costa Times


Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/216816/Warriors_Interested_In_Brandon_Roy#ixzz1f4lrCAum

 

[mgb]

Who wouldn't be interested in Roy without his contract??

 

[jlprk]

Does what they pay him get deducted from our payment to him? If so, let the bidding war begin!

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'd also love to have Roy for the vets minimum.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Steve
Jason,
Will you be reasonable?
I have been a fan and followed Roy carefully.
In my opinion, he came back too soon from injuries several times and did more harm to his knees.
Now, he is damaged goods, his knees are worn-out, has very little quickness, and will be out of the league in 2 to 3 years.
Why would Portland NOT use the amnesty on Roy?
It can lessen the burden of a very bad decision they made when they extended him at near-max when they knew his knees were damaged, right?

Jason Fleming
Here is why Portland would not amnesty Roy (at least, not right now). I agree with the idea he may have come back too early. I also think he is putting more pressure on himself than necessary. I think he needs to accept a smaller role, needs to be willing to be a sixth man. But….why make this decision now?

Hear me out.

Portland doesn’t gain much by using the amnesty now. Why not wait out the season and see how he does? Why not see if Roy really did just need more time to recover and see if he can be his former self? If Portland just used the amnesty now and he went to another team and became an All-Star again, can you see Portland’s fan base going through the roof? Especially when he also pocketed the full price of his contract from Portland?

I want to see how Roy play in 2011-12. Portland doesn’t have to make this decision immediately, so wait it out, see how it goes. Make this decision in 2012, when the team has a season of supposedly healthy Roy to use as reference.

 

[craigehlo]

If Portland just used the amnesty now and he went to another team and became an All-Star again, can you see Portland’s fan base going through the roof?

That's a chance I'm willing to take. I think winning Powerball is more likely.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I have done it. I have circumvented the hell out this CBA.

Portland amnesties Roy and some other team with a decent injured high priced player amnesties that guy. Then basically the two players swap teams allowing both franchises to keep the others very good player while also saving millions in cap relief. It could also be determined that if one player is notably better than the other a draft day trade could also be worked out swapping picks or cash or whatever. For example. Mehmet Okur, or Rashard Lewis could probably help us as much as Roy.

 

[Blazer4ever]

But if we don't earn anything from doing it now, what do we lose from waiting another season?

 

[craigehlo]

Portland amnesties Roy and some other team with a decent injured high priced player amnesties that guy. Then basically the two players swap teams allowing both franchises to keep the others very good player while also saving millions in cap relief. It could also be determined that if one player is notably better than the other a draft day trade could also be worked out swapping picks or cash or whatever. For example. Mehmet Okur, or Rashard Lewis could probably help us as much as Roy.

I thought in the new CBA waived players can only be bid on by teams under the salary cap. The Blazers are over the cap even with Roy waived the season so it's doubtful players like Lewis or Okur will be available to us in the unlikely event they clear the waiver phase w/o bidders.

 

[Mediocre Man]

But if we don't earn anything from doing it now, what do we lose from waiting another season?

Growth of Aldridge as our undeniable leader?

Growth of Batum at the 2?

Growth of every other player on the team that likes to push the ball?

The opportunity to use the entire MLE to sign extremely important front court guys?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I thought in the new CBA waived players can only be bid on by teams under the salary cap. The Blazers are over the cap even with Roy waived the season so it's doubtful players like Lewis or Okur will be available to us in the unlikely event they clear the waiver phase w/o bidders.

Would we still be over?

 

[craigehlo]

Would we still be over?

According to the Oregonian yes. I assume that all has to do with Oden's contract though.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/11/trail_blazers_will_be_hard-pre.html

"The Blazers are over the cap and dangerously close to the tax threshold. Even waiving Brandon Roy under the CBA's amnesty clause won't take the Blazers under the cap."

 

[Nikolokolus]

According to the Oregonian yes. I assume that all has to do with Oden's contract though.

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/11/trail_blazers_will_be_hard-pre.html

"The Blazers are over the cap and dangerously close to the tax threshold. Even waiving Brandon Roy under the CBA's amnesty clause won't take the Blazers under the cap."

But keeping him puts us well over the tax threshold. The figure I heard this morning (and frankly I'm too lazy to look it up) was that we could expect a 13 million dollar tax bill if we keep Roy ... that makes him effectively a 28 million dollar player.

 

[craigehlo]

But keeping him puts us well over the tax threshold. The figure I heard this morning (and frankly I'm too lazy to look it up) was that we could expect a 13 million dollar tax bill if we keep Roy ... that makes him effectively a 28 million dollar player.

That's true but he was asking about bidding on waived players. Only teams with cap room can do that.

 

[Pinwheel1]

But keeping him puts us well over the tax threshold. The figure I heard this morning (and frankly I'm too lazy to look it up) was that we could expect a 13 million dollar tax bill if we keep Roy ... that makes him effectively a 28 million dollar player.

I agree 28 million is hard to swallow. No doubt. But 14 million is also hard to swallow while watching him play for another team. Although GS would be a bad situation for him. Probably the worst scenario for him IMO

 

[Nikolokolus]

That's true but he was asking about bidding on waived players. Only teams with cap room can do that.

I know that, it just caught my eye and got me to thinking about what the real burden his salary would represent to the team. They either pay him 28 million (effectively) or they pay him 15 minus whatever his new team pays him (probably somewhere in the 2-5 million per year range). The dollars and cents don't seem like that big of deal until you realize it could free up anywhere from 14-17 (or more?) million dollars in cash savings for Paul Allen and with Allen on the side of the hardliners in the CBA negotiation, I get the feeling he's starting to close the purse strings.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The dollars and cents don't seem like that big of deal until you realize it could free up anywhere from 14-17 (or more?) million dollars in cash savings for Paul Allen and with Allen on the side of the hardliners in the CBA negotiation, I get the feeling he's starting to close the purse strings.

You couild be right here. But there is the possibilty that PA took the side of the hardliners for the sake of the future of the league (and Blazers) but not necessarily for the "present" of the Blazers. I guess we will know real quick.

 

[Nikolokolus]

You couild be right here. But there is the possibilty that PA took the side of the hardliners for the sake of the future of the league (and Blazers) but not necessarily for the "present" of the Blazers. I guess we will know real quick.

Something tells me Paul Allen only acts in the interest of Paul Allen, but you're right we don't know for sure now, but we will real quick.

 

[mgb]

Growth of Aldridge as our undeniable leader?

Growth of Batum at the 2?

Growth of every other player on the team that likes to push the ball?

The opportunity to use the entire MLE to sign extremely important front court guys?

Can Aldrige play the whole season as the undeniable leader physically? At least it is a shorten season so he has that going for him, but last year he seem to run out of gas.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Can Aldrige play the whole season as the undeniable leader physically? At least it is a shorten season so he has that going for him, but last year he seem to run out of gas.

Kinda when Roy came back, no?

Also, I am talking more about the offense going through LA, not our dumbass coach playing him too much. When he is in the game, he needs to be the guy. When Roy is here, LA defers to him far too often because of the offense. The ball movement stops and Roy uses his talent to get shots off. Nate didn't adjust to Roy's new abilities, and neither did Roy or the team.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Kinda when Roy came back, no?

Also, I am talking more about the offense going through LA, not our dumbass coach playing him too much. When he is in the game, he needs to be the guy. When Roy is here, LA defers to him far too often because of the offense. The ball movement stops and Roy uses his talent to get shots off. Nate didn't adjust to Roy's new abilities, and neither did Roy or the team.

That's the rub with Brandon. In a vacuum I don't mind his presence on the team, but theoretical "1 good game every 5" Roy vs. "LMA marginalized when he's in the game" Roy means he has to go. Forget the money for a second, the team needs to establish an identity and I'd prefer the inside-out approach they went to with Aldridge for the first two-thirds of last year over Roy taking fifteen foot step back jumpers late in the clock.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Kinda when Roy came back, no?

When Roy is here, LA defers to him far too often because of the offense. The ball movement stops and Roy uses his talent to get shots off. Nate didn't adjust to Roy's new abilities, and neither did Roy or the team.

I agree and disagree with you on this. I agree that Nate did not adjust Roy's new role very well.
But when Roy came back he came off the bench. LMA started. The 5-7 minutes a game they played together does not tell me that LMA will continue to defer. Wallace joined the team at the same time. The chemistry was not there in general. That doesn't mean they can't create better chemsitry this year. But with a new PG and limited preseason.........they will probably start slow.

 

[mgb]

I agree and disagree with you on this. I agree that Nate did not adjust Roy's new role very well.
But when Roy came back he came off the bench. LMA started. The 5-7 minutes a game they played together does not tell me that LMA will continue to defer. Wallace joined the team at the same time. The chemistry was not there in general. That doesn't mean they can't create better chemsitry this year. But with a new PG and limited preseason.........they will probably start slow.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pinwheel1 again.

 

[Masbee]

I know that, it just caught my eye and got me to thinking about what the real burden his salary would represent to the team. They either pay him 28 million (effectively) or they pay him 15 minus whatever his new team pays him (probably somewhere in the 2-5 million per year range). The dollars and cents don't seem like that big of deal until you realize it could free up anywhere from 14-17 (or more?) million dollars in cash savings for Paul Allen and with Allen on the side of the hardliners in the CBA negotiation, I get the feeling he's starting to close the purse strings.

I don't think the $14mil tax bill is likely. It or a higher amount is possible, but so is a smaller tax bill if the Blazers are careful with their other moves this off-season. Tax bill could be $10mil.

Also, the team will take a nasty PR hit if they amnesty Roy now. It will affect season ticket sales. You can count on it. That costs money. That hit will be much, much less next summer if Roy has a really bad year.

Amnesty now is $15mil - $3mil other team pays + $??mil in lost revenue/marketing costs to replaced pissed off fans

Amnesty delayed til next summer is $15mil + $10mil lux tax.

Now, appx $10mil is not chump change, but Allen used to throw around $3mil trade kickers like they were jelly belly's in his candy jar.

I don't think the Blazers need to make this decision now unless:

Allen is preparing the team for sale. In which case, go ahead and piss off the Roy fans as the circus around the team being put on the block will drown it out.

Allen wants to rebuild the roster and wants to do it now. Allen is exciting about team-building again and wants to build a team around Aldridge, and needs the room to bring try to swing a trade for a big-time player, in which case why don't we have a GM and a new coach who will run a little bit?

Roy tells the team his is essentially done as an NBA player.

 

[craigehlo]

Also, the team will take a nasty PR hit if they amnesty Roy now. It will affect season ticket sales. You can count on it. That costs money. That hit will be much, much less next summer if Roy has a really bad year.

I guarantee that ticket sales will be fine if they amnesty Roy. Ticket sales only drop when the team stinks and is losing a ton of games.

This franchise survived trading Drexler when he still had game.

 

[magnifier661]

Also, the team will take a nasty PR hit if they amnesty Roy now. It will affect season ticket sales. You can count on it. That costs money. That hit will be much, much less next summer if Roy has a really bad year.

Amnesty now is $15mil - $3mil other team pays + $??mil in lost revenue/marketing costs to replaced pissed off fans

Amnesty delayed til next summer is $15mil + $10mil lux tax.

This reminds me so much of the Drexler and Cliff Robinson issue. Drexler had that terrible Hamstring injury and Cliff started becoming a star. There was question on who's team the Blazers will be; now that Drexler's injury and hampered ability effected our team's success.

The good news was we traded him after the fans accepted this; and Drexler even asked to be traded. It was a much easier pill to swallow because many fans already had an idea on the direction of the team.

I think this is the best approach. 1 year of trial. This year will decide what to do with Roy.

 

[Masbee]

I guarantee that ticket sales will be fine if they amnesty Roy. Ticket sales only drop when the team stinks and is losing a ton of games.

This franchise survived trading Drexler when he still had game.

You "guarantee"?

OK.

I guarantee the ticket office will have a harder time selling season tickets.

Yes, if the team wins a ton of games the tickets will be sold during the season. That is always true, even during the jail blazer era. But, when the team had no star and lost games - you literally could not give your tickets away.

 

[Masbee]

I guarantee that ticket sales will be fine if they amnesty Roy. Ticket sales only drop when the team stinks and is losing a ton of games.

This franchise survived trading Drexler when he still had game.

Different era.

Much, much, much higher ticket prices (increase well above the increase in average wages) and the jail-blazer era broke that connection between the team and city.

Better than most NBA cities, but not like it used to be. If the Blazers are hard to watch and losing, the fans will stay away.

 

[MickZagger]

Different era.

Much, much, much higher ticket prices (increase well above the increase in average wages) and the jail-blazer era broke that connection between the team and city.

Better than most NBA cities, but not like it used to be. If the Blazers are hard to watch and losing, the fans will stay away.

Your short changing Blazer fans. Smartest fans in the league by far.

 

[Masbee]

Your short changing Blazer fans. Smartest fans in the league by far.

biased much?