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Re: Was 9/11 George Bush's fault?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (desi tmac91 @ Sep 13 2006, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you guys are slow. Bush set up 9/11. One week before 9/11 bush evacuted the towers due to a security thing. While that took place bush or his brother (govenor of florida) placed bombs in the towers. If you take a pic of the towers, you will see that the towers blew up before the planes hit. fishy ain't it? Plus if you look it up, the towers were built to widstand plane crashes. There is no way the towers could just blow up and fall after a crash. Also the first floor blew up too. How did that happen? I have pics of 9/11, I'll find them and show them. Once you see them you'll know it was bush.</div>I don't want to make this into a Christian vs. Muslim thing, but do you notice that a lot of Muslims believe in this conspiracy?
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:dunno: Stupidest conspiracy out there right now is it is very disgraceful in my opinion towards those who died during the attacks.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pjcolpitts @ Sep 13 2006, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want to make this into a Christian vs. Muslim thing, but do you notice that a lot of Muslims believe in this conspiracy?
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:dunno: Stupidest conspiracy out there right now is it is very disgraceful in my opinion towards those who died during the attacks.</div> Go to the middleeast, it's even worse. Most muslims think the Jews were behind it...ignorance.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (desi tmac91 @ Sep 13 2006, 03:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you guys are slow. Bush set up 9/11. One week before 9/11 bush evacuted the towers due to a security thing. While that took place bush or his brother (govenor of florida) placed bombs in the towers. If you take a pic of the towers, you will see that the towers blew up before the planes hit. fishy ain't it? Plus if you look it up, the towers were built to widstand plane crashes. There is no way the towers could just blow up and fall after a crash. Also the first floor blew up too. How did that happen? I have pics of 9/11, I'll find them and show them. Once you see them you'll know it was bush.</div>I know I'm late to this, but just a bit of technical info. During constuction of the WTC around 1969 the largest commercial airliner currently in service was a 707 (one year before the 747 entered service). Seeing as how Lower Manhattan is in between 3 major airports, the possibility of a landing plane getting lost in the fog and hitting the towers was thought of. The buildings were built to take the impact of a 707 traveling under 300mph. Of course a 767 is much larger than a 707 and each plane hit the towers at about 490mph and 501mph respectively. Obviously not what they planned for.And the buildings were built using a new building technique called "tubing". That means that instead of building the towers with a traditional ridged skeleton wrapped with a steel and glass skin, they were built using the outer skin as the support, and a center "tube" made up of elevator shafts and staircases, hence all the vertical beams on the facade. They actually held most of the load. Because of that design, the buildings collapsed on top of themselves rather than just toppling over. That's why it looked like an implosion, and not an accident.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Sep 13 2006, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know I'm late to this, but just a bit of technical info. During constuction of the WTC around 1969 the largest commercial airliner currently in service was a 707 (one year before the 747 entered service). Seeing as how Lower Manhattan is in between 3 major airports, the possibility of a landing plane getting lost in the fog and hitting the towers was thought of. The buildings were built to take the impact of a 707 traveling under 300mph. Of course a 767 is much larger than a 707 and each plane hit the towers at about 490mph and 501mph respectively. Obviously not what they planned for.And the buildings were built using a new building technique called "tubing". That means that instead of building the towers with a traditional ridged skeleton wrapped with a steel and glass skin, they were built using the outer skin as the support, and a center "tube" made up of elevator shafts and staircases, hence all the vertical beams on the facade. They actually held most of the load. Because of that design, the buildings collapsed on top of themselves rather than just toppling over. That's why it looked like an implosion, and not an accident.</div> I love smart members like you. :winkglasses:
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Sep 12 2006, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't blame Clinton. Nobody really took Bin Ladin seriously, I mean they knew who he was but all of his attacks were in other countries, the USA seemed too safe for that to happen. Preventing a freak occurence like 9/11 wasn't high on the to-do list. The worst attack on US soil before 9/11 was the oklahoma city bombing. That was done with a truck filled with explosives. The WTC was very prepared for that possibility. In fact, the WTC was ready for all possible attacks that have been thought of. Of course nobody thought of flying an airplane into them.</div>Also remember George Bush Sr. and the previous attacks toward the end of his presidency, and the start of Clinton's. The terrorists seem to know when to time: Right after a new president has been elected.The other question is that why was george bush "taking a vacation" and golfing, etc. for the first part of his office. Until 9/11 he didn't really do much. And people have already confirmed, (I think Rice did) that he was given a packet or something about details of "bin laden to attack inside US".I'll watch that Loose Change thing now and tell ya what I think
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Sep 14 2006, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also remember George Bush Sr. and the previous attacks toward the end of his presidency, and the start of Clinton's. The terrorists seem to know when to time: Right after a new president has been elected.The other question is that why was george bush "taking a vacation" and golfing, etc. for the first part of his office. Until 9/11 he didn't really do much. And people have already confirmed, (I think Rice did) that he was given a packet or something about details of "bin laden to attack inside US".I'll watch that Loose Change thing now and tell ya what I think</div> What did you want Bush to do when he heard that report? They get threats all the time, the report was very vague and no immediate action could have been taken. Everyone knows George Bush takes a 'vacation' during much of the summer but it's not like he isn't doing anything. He just goes from Washington and moves everything to the ranch in Texas.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pjcolpitts @ Sep 13 2006, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want to make this into a Christian vs. Muslim thing, but do you notice that a lot of Muslims believe in this conspiracy?
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:dunno: Stupidest conspiracy out there right now is it is very disgraceful in my opinion towards those who died during the attacks.</div>That's because Islam couldn't have done it! It's a peaceful religion!
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Sep 14 2006, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's because Islam couldn't have done it! It's a peaceful religion!</div>Islam is about as peaceful as a Tiger is vegiterian. Islam, and Christianity both claim to be religions of peace yet those two are the most violent religions in the world. most people are aware of what the Christians have done, but yet seem to forget it was the Muslims who intiated this entire conflicted in the 8th century when they began attacking and converting Christian lands such as Syria, Egypt and Cyranicia. also people forget that the Muslim juggernaught extended into Europe, going as far as Toulouse, in the west after conquering Hispania, and as far as Tregovista in the East.Look at how the Muslims and Hindus are constantly fighting, so its not just Islam and Christianity.
 
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Islam is a peacefull religion, to the individual. It's when it's in the hands of radical fundementalists that it is evil. Like all religion, it does not belong in the hands of the masses.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That's because Islam couldn't have done it! It's a peaceful religion!</div>Your funniest award is well deserved.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Islam is a peacefull religion, to the individual. It's when it's in the hands of radical fundementalists that it is evil. Like all religion, it does not belong in the hands of the masses.</div>So what, you're saying religion is something all of us do by ourselves. Each of us will have our littl philosophy and that's religion for you?
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Sep 14 2006, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Look at how the Muslims and Hindus are constantly fighting, so its not just Islam and Christianity.</div>Perhaps I misunderstand...
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 15 2006, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Your funniest award is well deserved.</div>It's funny, but pretty sad too... I mean, the other day I was just contemplating whether Reppin could actually be trying to place the blame on someone else just so Islam doesn't get attacked for it. I don't know.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Sep 15 2006, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Perhaps I misunderstand...
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It's funny, but pretty sad too... I mean, the other day I was just contemplating whether Reppin could actually be trying to place the blame on someone else just so Islam doesn't get attacked for it. I don't know.</div>Well...just to set the record straight, I am not putting the blame on someone else just so Islam doesn't get attacked. Right now, even with people believing that Osama Bin Laden did 9/11, the blame isn't on Islam and Islam isn't being attacked for that reason (As in, not being attacked by people saying Islam is why 9/11 happened). I put the blame on the people like Paul Wolfowitz who write these things up, and plan for the long term future of the you.S. I personally thing this war was created to get the United States out of it's recession...a lot of you might not feel the effects of the recession, but here in Michigan, we're definetly feeling the effects - I mean just today Ford shut down two factories - that puts out so many people out of work...whether you like it or not, thats my opinion...all I gotta say is History Repeats itself.
 
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Uh, we're not in a recession. Ford is doing badly, because Japanese motor companies are making a better product. That has nothing to do with being in a recession.
 
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The Rescession actually got worse after the attacks, the market took a nose dive, the airline industry almost went broke. the US economy took a slide because we had nearly 10 years of a great market, the economy fluxuates(sp?) like that. any half witted economist could figure that out. the rescession we've been in is nothing compaired to rescessions of the past, infact its probably the least server out of any of them. there are also more practically ways to get out of a rescession than ravaging your largest city to go to war against an enemy most your people have never heard of. George Bush's plan was to use tax breaks to get out of the rescession.oh and justice, I was comparing the Islam-Hindu conflict to the Islam-Christian conflict, and just using it as a base that its not the Christians attacking Islam.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Sep 15 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Rescession actually got worse after the attacks, the market took a nose dive, the airline industry almost went broke. the US economy took a slide because we had nearly 10 years of a great market, the economy fluxuates(sp?) like that. any half witted economist could figure that out. the rescession we've been in is nothing compaired to rescessions of the past, infact its probably the least server out of any of them. there are also more practically ways to get out of a rescession than ravaging your largest city to go to war against an enemy most your people have never heard of. George Bush's plan was to use tax breaks to get out of the rescession.</div>I think he was talking about the war on Iraq rather than 9/11, but you're right. They weren't that bad, and a lot of it would have happened anyway. For example, a lot of it were tech stocks that were really blown up more than they should be. It was like filling a tiny balloon with too much hot air, eventually it will pop.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Sep 15 2006, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and justice, I was comparing the Islam-Hindu conflict to the Islam-Christian conflict, and just using it as a base that its not the Christians attacking Islam.</div>I just wasn't sure if you were saying Islam and Muslims were mutually exclusive or something. I hoped you weren't that dumb.
 
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This isnt anybodies fault, it was just a random, awful attack by some terrorists. Something to say are you on crack? Because Blaming the attacks on Bush is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, what is next for some of you people, blaming bush for the rise in gas prices.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I personally thing this war was created to get the United States out of it's recession...a lot of you might not feel the effects of the recession, but here in Michigan, we're definetly feeling the effects - I mean just today Ford shut down two factories - that puts out so many people out of work...whether you like it or not, thats my opinion...all I gotta say is History Repeats itself.</div>There never was any recession. Ford laying off workers doesn't mean it's going down...although in this case it might. Laying off workers in some cases is actually good. Not to mention that Ford doesn't represent the whole car industry, much less the whole economy.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BCB @ Sep 14 2006, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nobody is predicting an economic boom...their was no boom after the gulf war.Loose Change- rebuttal 🪨</div>Hahaha, he says only fundamentalists say it's forbidden for men to wear Jewerly made of solid gold. Al-Bara' bin 'Azib, may Allah be pleased with him, reported:Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) commanded us to do seven things and forbade us to do seven (things). He commanded us to visit the sick, to follow the funeral procession, to ask Allah's mercy for the sneezer when he praises Him, to fulfill the vow, to help the oppressed, to accept the invitation and to greet everybody. He forbade us to wear rings or gold rings, to drink in silver (vessels), and to use the saddle cloth made of red silk, and to wear garments made of Qassi material, or garments made of silk or brocade and velvet.Simple, there's no contextual problems here. The prophet flat out forbid wearing gold. Those "fundamentalists" are in the right here.
 
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I don't think the war in Iraq is big enough to make the economy better...it got my Uncle Dave a raise at Oshkosh Truck (They make military and security vehicles)...
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hang Eleven @ Sep 15 2006, 08:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There never was any recession. Ford laying off workers doesn't mean it's going down...although in this case it might. Laying off workers in some cases is actually good. Not to mention that Ford doesn't represent the whole car industry, much less the whole economy.</div>I understand that Ford doesn't represent the whole economy - I wasn't saying that at all, I was giving an example of the things that are happening because of the recession. Also, Ford IS going down, and Laying of workers in this case ISNT good. They are laying off workers because they need to cut down on payroll - they are restructuring Ford as a whole with the hiring of the new CEO Mullali (who was the former Boeing CEO when it was at its worst)...now Boeing is the top commercial planes in use...so the reasoning for hiring Mullali was to basically do what he did with Boeing since they are in very similar situations. Back to the economy...yes we are in a recession, and it IS the worst recession we've had since the depression. Our federal deficit is at its highest it has ever been at $8,530,679,432,359.21...and increasing on an average of 1.7 billion per day! Most of you on this site can't even say that number. (Eight trillion, five hundred and thirty billion, six hundred seventy nine million, four hundred thirty two thousand, three hundred fifty nine dollars, and twenty one cents!) How is that deficit going to be paid back? It's coming out of our pockets when we get jobs and a family in the form of taxes...! In the history of the United States, deficit has never been this high... when President Andrew Jackson was in office the National Debt was paid in full, in the 20's there was no debt, there was a surplus for 10 consecutive years! Starting the 1930's, the United States ran a deficit, this deficit continued all the way to the 1990's where there was another economic boom...we actually had a surplus of 240 billion dollars! (Around the Presidency of the Clinton era), when our best friend George W. Bush came in office he used up all of our surplus, and raised our defict to what it is now...this is just one sign of a failing economy. The deficit we have now should be going down because economists are prediciting the economy to improve in the coming 3 years...but it definetly won't cover over 8 trillion dollars. It's estimated with todays deficit, each citizen will be paying approximattely $30,000 dollars in extra taxes to pay of the debt...scary. You may be saying why doesn't congress do anything to stop this...well everytime the President requests some money for something (usually for the war), they always grant it - that means the deficit cieling increases everytime...our new cieling is 8 trillion 900,000,000...that won't stop the spending though, because war is very expensive. By the way something very important to know...the difference between deficit and debt:Deficit is like say you make 80,000 dollars a year, but your expenses are 100,000 dollars a year...this means you have a deficit of 20,000 dollars; in that case a person might need to take out a loan from the bank to pay off that 20,000 dollars that we owe...this 20,000 generates a debt...with interest. In a national perspective, the United States makes X dollars every year from Taxes, and revenues, but spends more than X dollars....this is makes our deficit 8 trillion dollars because we are spending more than we make...the United States is than forced to borrow from other countries...we can also borrow from the World Bank...or we can even borrow from ourselves...so the United States can take out money from other services like environmental spending to pay for other things... so thats how it works....something funny I found is that the government is accepting charity from the public, they ask if you would like to reduce national debt please send money to: (and they give you their address) - here it is if you ever feel like helping:(President Bush said that he expects to pay back the federal deficit by the year 2012 with his program, other's like Mr. Al Gore expect that it won't be payed until 2016...)ATTN DEPT GBUREAU OF THE PUBLIC DEBTPO BOX 2188PARKERSBURG, WV 26106-2188 lol. pretty sad.So basically, YES we are in a recession, the worst it has ever been. Thank you for reading my little history/economics lesson. lol.
 
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That would have been a pretty good post if being in a recession had anything to do with having a deficit. We've always had a deficit, and it's always been increasing. A recession is when the GDP falls for two or more quarters in a row. The GDP has not been falling. So we are not in a recession. Durr.Edit: For more on why Reppin is wrong, here is a wikipedia article.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JRICH23 @ Sep 15 2006, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This isnt anybodies fault, it was just a random, awful attack by some terrorists. Something to say are you on crack? Because Blaming the attacks on Bush is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, what is next for some of you people, blaming bush for the rise in gas prices.</div>No, it's more blaming him for not stopping the attacks, even though it appears now that he had a chance to.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Justice @ Sep 16 2006, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Edit: For more on why Reppin is wrong, here is a wikipedia article.</div>Yeah, because you know we can trust wikipedia.Turns out BBW doesn't stand for Basketball World at all. It's the second meaning we use it for.
 
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We can pay off that deficit, it's easy, just 656,711,272,700 easy payments of $12.99!
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Michael Bryant @ Sep 16 2006, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We can pay off that deficit, it's easy, just 656,711,272,700 easy payments of $12.99!</div>Or only about 426,747,345,300 payments of $19.99!!!!
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, it's more blaming him for not stopping the attacks, even though it appears now that he had a chance to.</div>How could he have stopped the attacks? up until the hijackers hijacked those planes they were model citizens. also until the Patriot act, the government had very little authority to intervien to stop these people, because up until the point of no return they had done nothing illegal. YES the NSA had inteligence reports warning about attacks, but do you know how many so called warnings a year they get? Thousands and all but a few turn out to be nothing. also, one thing every forgets to mention is the airlines responsibility in all this. two the government wanted to increase sercurity for the airlines and the major airlines of the US fought the government tooth and nail until the government backed off. so in conclusion Bush couldn't have stopped the attacks.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Sep 16 2006, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How could he have stopped the attacks? up until the hijackers hijacked those planes they were model citizens. also until the Patriot act, the government had very little authority to intervien to stop these people, because up until the point of no return they had done nothing illegal. YES the NSA had inteligence reports warning about attacks, but do you know how many so called warnings a year they get? Thousands and all but a few turn out to be nothing. also, one thing every forgets to mention is the airlines responsibility in all this. two the government wanted to increase sercurity for the airlines and the major airlines of the US fought the government tooth and nail until the government backed off. so in conclusion Bush couldn't have stopped the attacks.</div>The hijackers were model citizens? How would you know that?Also, I don't think people are going to take you seriously unless you get a name change. Because honestly, all I think about when I think about what you look like is that guy from south park going "DEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!!!!!"
 
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yeah, figuring out where and when the predicted attacks were going to take place was like searching for a needle in a haystack. It's so hard to tell just how and where something is going to happen. Bush couldn't commit to any scenario because the overwhelming possibility of an attack taking place somewhere else with all the defenses in the wrong place.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Sep 16 2006, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The hijackers were model citizens? How would you know that?Also, I don't think people are going to take you seriously unless you get a name change. Because honestly, all I think about when I think about what you look like is that guy from south park going "DEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!!!!!"</div>^
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But redneck does have a good point.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Something-To-Say @ Sep 17 2006, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The hijackers were model citizens? How would you know that?Also, I don't think people are going to take you seriously unless you get a name change. Because honestly, all I think about when I think about what you look like is that guy from south park going "DEY TOOK OUR JERBS!!!!!!!"</div>what did they do to show otherwise? the only thing I've heard of is the one guy getting a speeding ticket a few nights before.my name is find. its just a few ignorant people who automatically assume that I'm some backward hillbilly who is illiterate, married to my sister, and not ready to accept the South lose the war than they can just piss off and grow their ignorant asses up.
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (redneck @ Sep 16 2006, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>what did they do to show otherwise? the only thing I've heard of is the one guy getting a speeding ticket a few nights before.my name is find. its just a few ignorant people who automatically assume that I'm some backward hillbilly who is illiterate, married to my sister, and not ready to accept the South lose the war than they can just piss off and grow their ignorant asses up.</div>your name is find?Your parents literally named you Find ???????? :HAHAHA: sorry, but I can't imagine somebody named that.
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