Was Hillary pandering to conservatives?

[Denny Crane]

So you do agree that there was involvement, and therefore, he lied. Progress.



He was the one who chose to lie about it on national TV. He didn't have to. He could have just told the truth, there was really no reason to lie. But he did, and that says something.



I've already pointed out how misleading that analogy is.



The issue is that he lied about it. Why did he do that? A secondary issue is, what the hell is a medical doctor doing endorsing quackery? It makes you wonder if he has any ethics. Come to think of it, so does lying about it.

barfo

The analogy is perfectly fine. As I said, the company has no influence over his policies and he has no influence over their business decisions. No relationship of interest, any more than you buying aspirin. Bayer has no influence on your drinking habits and you have no influence over their business practices. The analogy is perfectly fine, as I said.

Again, he didn't lie about it. It depends on what the meaning of "relationship" is. In my mind, and his, it means something like a contract, board seat, regular paying job, consulting gig, etc. All he did was get paid through a speakers' bureau to talk up their product. Lots of people do that sort of thing and aren't affiliated with the company.

The secondary issue is similar to the issue I raised. I happen to think he's a very smart man with some strange ideas. I have no reason to vote for him for those ideas or his being a religious whacko.

 

[barfo]

Until it does get asked, then you'll complain about it. Seen that act before a few times

Don't think you have. I challenge you to find me complaining about any question anyone has ever asked Hillary.

barfo

 

[barfo]

The analogy is perfectly fine.

The analogy is incredibly stupid, Denny, and you know that.

As I said, the company has no influence over his policies and he has no influence over their business decisions.

And that isn't the issue. But nice attempt at deflection.

No relationship of interest, any more than you buying aspirin. Bayer has no influence on your drinking habits and you have no influence over their business practices. The analogy is perfectly fine, as I said.

I'm pretty sure Bayer has never funded a chair for me at Johns Hopkins. I'm pretty sure I've never recorded an endorsement video for Bayer. The comparison is silly. YOU may not be interested in his relationship with Mannatech, but it did exist and it is of interest (to those of us who have any curiosity, that is).

Again, he didn't lie about it. It depends on what the meaning of "relationship" is. In my mind, and his, it means something like a contract, board seat, regular paying job, consulting gig, etc. All he did was get paid through a speakers' bureau to talk up their product. Lots of people do that sort of thing and aren't affiliated with the company.

You are playing semantic games.

The secondary issue is similar to the issue I raised. I happen to think he's a very smart man with some strange ideas. I have no reason to vote for him for those ideas or his being a religious whacko.

Me neither. But hopefully lots of Republicans do.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Don't think you have. I challenge you to find me complaining about any question anyone has ever asked Hillary.

barfo

The 11 hour benghazi hearing.

You whined.

Next?

 

[barfo]

The 11 hour benghazi hearing.

You whined.

Next?

Did I? Maybe I did, link?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

The analogy is incredibly stupid, Denny, and you know that.



And that isn't the issue. But nice attempt at deflection.



I'm pretty sure Bayer has never funded a chair for me at Johns Hopkins. I'm pretty sure I've never recorded an endorsement video for Bayer. The comparison is silly. YOU may not be interested in his relationship with Mannatech, but it did exist and it is of interest (to those of us who have any curiosity, that is).



You are playing semantic games.



Me neither. But hopefully lots of Republicans do.

barfo

The analogy is perfectly fine. He was hired as a spokesman through a speakers' agency.

Something like this one:

http://www.harrywalker.com/speakers...ureau_Broad}&gclid=CM6CnoWq9cgCFUiEfgodbcsOTg

Someone at the company looked at a list like that one and picked him out to have him speak. They paid the speakers' bureau.

His first speech was 2004. His second speech was 2011. His third speech was 2013. His fourth was 2014.

Doesn't sound all that involved to me. If it were dozens of speeches a year, then maybe you wouldn't be coming across as incredibly stupid on this point. Your words, not mine.

 

[Denny Crane]

Did I? Maybe I did, link?

barfo

Every post about it

 

[barfo]

Every post about it

You know that's not good enough. Show me where I said the questions were unfair.

barfo

 

[barfo]

The analogy is perfectly fine. He was hired as a spokesman through a speakers' agency.

Something like this one:

http://www.harrywalker.com/speakers-bureau.cfm?&kw=speakers' bureaus&src={Adwords}&camp={US_Speaker_Bureau_Broad}&gclid=CM6CnoWq9cgCFUiEfgodbcsOTg

Someone at the company looked at a list like that one and picked him out to have him speak. They paid the speakers' bureau.

His first speech was 2004. His second speech was 2011. His third speech was 2013. His fourth was 2014.

Doesn't sound all that involved to me. If it were dozens of speeches a year, then maybe you wouldn't be coming across as incredibly stupid on this point. Your words, not mine.

Sorry, but you are ignoring the promotional videos, the fact that he said that they sponsored his chair at Johns Hopkins, etc.

It's "interesting" that you want to ignore those things.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

You know that's not good enough. Show me where I said the questions were unfair.

barfo

What does "unfair" have to do with it?

 

[e_blazer]

Not voting for Trump. Not voting for Carson. Sure as hell not voting for Hillary (did you ever notice even her name includes the letters in the word "liar"?)

At this point it's either Bernie or Rubio, with the choice depending on how crazed I feel come election day.

 

[barfo]

What does "unfair" have to do with it?

Oh, sorry, what was the criteria again? Complaining. Show me where I complained.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Not voting for Trump. Not voting for Carson. Sure as hell not voting for Hillary (did you ever notice even her name includes the letters in the word "liar"?)

At this point it's either Bernie or Rubio, with the choice depending on how crazed I feel come election day.

You won't necessarily have either of those choices come election day.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Sorry, but you are ignoring the promotional videos, the fact that he said that they sponsored his chair at Johns Hopkins, etc.

It's "interesting" that you want to ignore those things.

barfo

Who's lying now?

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2015/10/why-ben-carson-could-be-bad-for-mannatechs.html

A 2011 video uncovered by the Wall Street Journal shows Carson making the following statement to Mannatech associates during a keynote address at a company convention:

“Well three years ago I had an endowed chair bestowed upon me. And uh, it requires $2.5 million to do an endowed chair and I’m proud to say that part of that $2.5 million came from Mannatech.”

The Benjamin S. Carson Sr. M.D. and Dr. Evelyn Spiro R.N. Professorship in Pediatric Neurosurgery was announced by Johns Hopkins Medicine in 2008, three years before the speech.

Carson’s campaign has roundly denied Mannatech’s help in securing the fellowship, telling the Journal “there was no contribution from Mannatech to Johns Hopkins.”

“It was a legitimate mistake on his part. Confusion,” the campaign statement added. “He had been doing some fundraising for the hospital and some other chairs about that time, and he simply got things mixed up.”

Mannatech also denied giving any money.

"Mannatech has had several departments review their files and there is simply no record of Mannatech Inc. providing a donation to Johns Hopkins, or Dr. Carson’s endowed chair at Johns Hopkins," Mannatech said in an emailed statement to the Dallas Business Journal. "If Dr. Carson said that Mannatech had provided a donation to his endowed chair at Johns Hopkins, he was mistaken."

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh, sorry, what was the criteria again? Complaining. Show me where I complained.

barfo

Every post.

 

[barfo]

Every post.

Not good enough.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Who's lying now?

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/blog/2015/10/why-ben-carson-could-be-bad-for-mannatechs.html

A 2011 video uncovered by the Wall Street Journal shows Carson making the following statement to Mannatech associates during a keynote address at a company convention:

“Well three years ago I had an endowed chair bestowed upon me. And uh, it requires $2.5 million to do an endowed chair and I’m proud to say that part of that $2.5 million came from Mannatech.”

The Benjamin S. Carson Sr. M.D. and Dr. Evelyn Spiro R.N. Professorship in Pediatric Neurosurgery was announced by Johns Hopkins Medicine in 2008, three years before the speech.

Carson’s campaign has roundly denied Mannatech’s help in securing the fellowship, telling the Journal “there was no contribution from Mannatech to Johns Hopkins.”

“It was a legitimate mistake on his part. Confusion,” the campaign statement added. “He had been doing some fundraising for the hospital and some other chairs about that time, and he simply got things mixed up.”

Mannatech also denied giving any money.

"Mannatech has had several departments review their files and there is simply no record of Mannatech Inc. providing a donation to Johns Hopkins, or Dr. Carson’s endowed chair at Johns Hopkins," Mannatech said in an emailed statement to the Dallas Business Journal. "If Dr. Carson said that Mannatech had provided a donation to his endowed chair at Johns Hopkins, he was mistaken."

Sounds like Ben Carson is lying. Either in 2011 or now. Take your pick.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Wikipedia defines "lie" thus:

A lie is a statement that is known or intended by its source to be misleading, inaccurate, or false.

Known and intended are key words.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not good enough.

barfo

It's true, though.

You're whining about Carson in this thread. We're used to it. Seen it enough.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sounds like Ben Carson is lying. Either in 2011 or now. Take your pick.

barfo

Neither. You lose.

 

[barfo]

Wikipedia defines "lie" thus:

A lie is a statement that is known or intended by its source to be misleading, inaccurate, or false.

Known and intended are key words.

Yeah, he's just prone to making mistakes about who pays his salary. It's an easy thing to forget.

I will make a small prediction: more to this story will come out later this election cycle, and it will not be a positive for Mr. Carson.

barfo

 

[barfo]

It's true, though.

You're whining about Carson in this thread. We're used to it. Seen it enough.

I'm not whining. I'm pointing out that he lied. Apparently you think that disagreeing with you is whining. In which case reality is whining, not me.

But, I should stop saying that, not because it isn't true, but because I really want him to get the nomination.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not whining. I'm pointing out that he lied. Apparently you think that disagreeing with you is whining. In which case reality is whining, not me.

But, I should stop saying that, not because it isn't true, but because I really want him to get the nomination.

barfo

You are going on and on about it, complaining about my analogy, and insisting Carson lied on this meaningless issue in the face of the facts showing otherwise.

Be careful what you wish for or we may end up with president Carson.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yeah, he's just prone to making mistakes about who pays his salary. It's an easy thing to forget.

I will make a small prediction: more to this story will come out later this election cycle, and it will not be a positive for Mr. Carson.

barfo

Now you're complaining about who paid his salary?

It was the speaker's bureau that paid him for those speeches, and Johns Hopkins paid his salary.

 

[barfo]

You are going on and on about it,

You are going on and on about it too. Takes two to tango!

complaining about my analogy,

Your analogy was stupid, sorry. Try to do better next time, m'kay?

and insisting Carson lied on this meaningless issue in the face of the facts showing otherwise.

You are the one ignoring facts, and yes, it is a relatively meaningless issue - except for the fact that he lied about it. That makes it meaningful. It's always the coverup...

Be careful what you wish for or we may end up with president Carson.

I'm willing to take that chance. I have faith in the American people.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

You're whining about a non lie to cover for Hillary's serious ones.

Transparent as hell.

 

[e_blazer]

You won't necessarily have either of those choices come election day.

barfo

You've never heard of a write-in vote?

 

[barfo]

You're whining about a non lie to cover for Hillary's serious ones.

Transparent as hell.

Nope, not defending Hillary at all. She seems capable of defending herself, and I'll leave her to do so. I thought the Benghazi hearing was idiotic, because it didn't achieve the goals of the Republicans and made them look petty. That's not a defense of Hillary, that's an attack on Trey Gowdy.

And there were lots of other lies at that debate, some more egregious. We just happen to be talking about this one because you for some reason decided to deny reality.

barfo

 

[barfo]

You've never heard of a write-in vote?

Good point.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope, not defending Hillary at all. She seems capable of defending herself, and I'll leave her to do so. I thought the Benghazi hearing was idiotic, because it didn't achieve the goals of the Republicans and made them look petty. That's not a defense of Hillary, that's an attack on Trey Gowdy.

And there were lots of other lies at that debate, some more egregious. We just happen to be talking about this one because you for some reason decided to deny reality.

barfo

You repeated DailyKOS' lie (i saw it there, maybe you have another site you repeat lies from).

None of the "lies" you whine about are egregious. Not like lying about the reasons a US ambassador was killed on her watch. Trey Gowdy exposed those lies and the FBI is investigating. Yeah, that's petty /greenfont