Was this game a gift to the Warriors?

[The_Lillard_King]

Then you have no concept of big picture.

You seem to have trouble grasping there are different arguments on if it is good to tank just for a higher draft pick. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't see the big picture, they just disagree.

Do you understand that concept?

 

[MickZagger]

I think if you accept losing, you need to get your brain and manhood checked out.

Cool, though. Don't be dumb and twist my words. Don't recall saying anything about Dame in my point. Can you find that for me?

Lillard's a Blazer player is he not?

Your accepting losing theory is hilarious. Nice play.



Its called big picture. Figure it out.

 

[MickZagger]

You seem to have trouble grasping there are different arguments on if it is good to tank just for a higher draft pick. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they don't see the big picture, they just disagree.

Do you understand that concept?

Its why tanking exists. GM's worth their beans disagree with you.

Not grasping that getting a higher draft pick (2 spots higher in this instance) is more important than winning the last game of the season is not realizing that future is more important than some feel good last game of the season just because blazergiant and his boo spent money on tickets that night.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Its why tanking exists. GM's worth their beans disagree with you.

Not grasping that getting a higher draft pick (2 spots higher in this instance) is more important than winning the last game of the season is not realizing that future is more important than some feel good last game of the season just because blazergiant and his boo spent money on tickets that night.

So explain to me why two other organizations decided to win their last game of the season and give up a spot in the draft?

Let me guess, you know more than those GMs that make millions per year because they "aren't" worth beans . . . but us internet poster making a fraction of what they make have all the answers.

This isn't as cut and dry as you make it. Clearly there are two schools of thought. Philly and Toronto I'm guessing figure what BG says, play hard every game, try to win every game and let the chips fall where they may with a possible move of 1 or 2 draft spots. Blazers figure throw in the towel, let the young players play in spite of winning and get ready for next year.

Don't know what the right answer is, but clearly it is not an issue of "grasping the idea of tanking", it is whether tanking is an effective idea for an organization.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You don't throw games just to move up in the draft, and you don't take a 13-game losing streak with a "ho-hum" attitude. You play hard every night, and you play to win, and you let the chips fall where they may.

The thing is the players who were in there, were busting their asses, they did play to win, and they never gave up. I am not sure if you watched the game or not, but I did. I watched the whole game because I enjoy watching the younger players finally get a chance to play when the game is on the line. And I assume that the fans who went to the game watched for the same reason as I since LMA was not even supposed to play in the game until a few hours before tip off.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Lillard's a Blazer player is he not?

Your accepting losing theory is hilarious. Nice play.



Its called big picture. Figure it out." Figure it out.

I said nothing about Dame. Don't pull a tricky on us. Losing breeds losing. Athletes mention this all the time. Don't be dumb.

Everyone else gets it... Why don't you? I'm no math expert (well, I kinda am), but is there a big difference between 10 and 11? I'd rather have the win. Being 6th versus 4th sure didn't hurt us last year, did it?

 

[MickZagger]

It's "you're" as in "you are." Figure it out.

I said nothing about Dame. Don't pull a tricky on us. Losing breeds losing. Athletes mention this all the time. Don't be dumb.

You're the one stuck on "Dame" I'm just picking our best player to give an example. I'm sure he's bread as a loser because we lost that Warriors game.

Do you have any anecdotal evidence supporting this losing breeds losing theory?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You're the one stuck on "Dame" I'm just picking our best player to give an example. I'm sure he's bread as a loser because we lost that Warriors game.

Do you have any anecdotal evidence supporting this losing breeds losing theory?

I pointed nobody out in particular - just was going off the general feel and comments of athletes. I've seen it mentioned by players so many times over the years. Most others get it - why don't you? Why do you feel 10 is so much better than 11? Did 4 prove to be better than 6 last year?

I'm not "stuck". You put words in my mouth that were never said (or typed). But whatever supports your post, I supposed.

 

[MickZagger]

So explain to me why two other organizations decided to win their last game of the season and give up a spot in the draft?

Let me guess, you know more than those GMs that make millions per year because they "aren't" worth beans . . . but us internet poster making a fraction of what they make have all the answers.

This isn't as cut and dry as you make it. Clearly there are two schools of thought. Philly and Toronto I'm guessing figure what BG says, play hard every game, try to win every game and let the chips fall where they may with a possible move of 1 or 2 draft spots. Blazers figure throw in the towel, let the young players play in spite of winning and get ready for next year.

Don't know what the right answer is, but clearly it is not an issue of "grasping the idea of tanking", it is whether tanking is an effective idea for an organization.

Tanking has proven to be effective.

Its sport. Of course franchises that have so much on the line aren't going to admit to it.

As for Toronto and Philly winning, I don't know what their line of thinking was but sucks for them to not potentially have as good of a pick as us.

If you don't think that Olshey and PA weren't sitting on the sideline hoping in the back of their minds that we lost, well....I'm sorry.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Tanking has proven to be effective.

Its sport. Of course franchises that have so much on the line aren't going to admit to it.

As for Toronto and Philly winning, I don't know what their line of thinking was but sucks for them to not potentially have as good of a pick as us.

If you don't think that Olshey and PA weren't sitting on the sideline hoping in the back of their minds that we lost, well....I'm sorry.

Until the draft lotto Gods say "F you, ho!"

 

[MickZagger]

You: Gosh, a win against the Warriors on the final game of the season would have been such a heart warming story! Snap that gosh golly losing streak!

Me: Fuck yeah, lotto balls, give me them odds! More, better assets and playoffs next year bitches!!!!

Lillard: Man, we lost that game to the Warriors last year, we must be losers! *shrugs shoulders*

Treaty: Well actually....

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I'm not God, brah. I can't fix retarded. Sorry for you, FAMS!

10 v. 11 means so much. It's everything in this world. Fields of flowers and gold versus a shit hole.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm not God, brah. I can't fix retarded. Sorry for you, FAMS!

10 v. 11 means so much. It's everything in this world. Fields of flowers and gold versus a shit hole.

10th vs. possibly 12th?

Calling me retarded must be the icing on your weak argument. Where's the filling? Icing on icing?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Tanking has proven to be effective.

Its sport. Of course franchises that have so much on the line aren't going to admit to it.

As for Toronto and Philly winning, I don't know what their line of thinking was but sucks for them to not potentially have as good of a pick as us.

If you don't think that Olshey and PA weren't sitting on the sideline hoping in the back of their minds that we lost, well....I'm sorry.

It's like you read a few words of a post and start to respond. I don't think there is a Blazer fan who thinks the Blazers tried to win that game. Why would I think Olshey and PA wanted to win while the coach sat Aldrdige during the critical part of the game. You just like to make satements and then say things like "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Ummm, OK . .. but I don't.

So you don't know what line of thinking Philly and Toronto has but there is no reason not to tank the last game of the season? Can you just stop and check yourself there. Unless you want to take the bold step that you know more about building a winning team than the two NBA GMs, why can't you just admit the obvious . . . that tanking is not the only answer in that situation. And while tanking may work at times, there are times when it does not.

It's funny because you accuse people of not seeing the big picture when you can't even recognize that not everyone, including NBA GMs, agree with you. Not because they don't understand the idea of losing a game for a better draft pick, they understand that, they just disagree they should lose a game for a better draft pick. This is not a theory by me but what we saw play out in the last game of the season.

I'm guessing neither Toronto or Philly feels like it sucks for them to end on a winning note and drop down a draft pick or they would have thrown the game the way the Blazers did.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

10th vs. possibly 12th?

Calling me retarded must be the icing on your weak argument. Where's the filling? Icing on icing?

Cool. Tell me how 4 v. 6 looked last year. Or even 2 v. 6. Anyway, going back to playing pool now. Enjoy your evening FAMS.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You: Gosh, a win against the Warriors on the final game of the season would have been such a heart warming story! Snap that gosh golly losing streak!

Me: Fuck yeah, lotto balls, give me them odds! More, better assets and playoffs next year bitches!!!!

Lillard: Man, we lost that game to the Warriors last year, we must be losers! *shrugs shoulders*

Treaty: Well actually....

What's up. The Blazers tanked like you want and yet you were a jerk to Julius in the last game thread and it seems to have carried over to this thread.

You don't know as much as you think you do Mick. Chill and accept we are all just fans with opinions. You are such a told you so kind of poster yet you are wrong more often than you are right.

 

[MickZagger]

It's like you read a few words of a post and start to respond. I don't think there is a Blazer fan who thinks the Blazers tried to win that game. Why would I think Olshey and PA wanted to win while the coach sat Aldrdige during the critical part of the game. You just like to make satements and then say things like "I'm sorry if you feel that way. Ummm, OK . .. but I don't.

So you don't know what line of thinking Philly and Toronto has but there is no reason not to tank the last game of the season? Can you just stop and check yourself there. Unless you want to take the bold step that you know more about building a winning team than the two NBA GMs, why can't you just admit the obvious . . . that tanking is not the only answer in that situation. And while tanking may work at times, there are times when it does not.

It's funny because you accuse people of not seeing the big picture when you can't even recognize that not everyone, including NBA GMs, agree with you. Not because they don't understand the idea of losing a game for a better draft pick, they understand that, they just disagree they should lose a game for a better draft pick. This is not a theory by me but what we saw play out in the last game of the season.

I'm guessing neither Toronto or Philly feels like it sucks for them to end on a winning note and drop down a draft pick or they would have thrown the game the way the Blazers did.

No I understand your line of thinking and don't agree with it. If you think Colangelo or Dileo didn't want his teams to lose those games, you're wrong. Players ultimately play the game.

Tanking isn't something that teams blatantly do or announce. For all we know Toronto and Philly could have been tanking.

You always like to pick nits with me. Its always fun

 

[MickZagger]

What's up. The Blazers tanked like you want and yet you were a jerk to Julius in the last game thread and it seems to have carried over to this thread.

You don't know as much as you think you do Mick. Chill and accept we are all just fans with opinions. You are such a told you so kind of poster yet you are wrong more often than you are right.

I was a jerk to Julius? Other way around he called me a dipshit.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Cool. Tell me how 4 v. 6 looked last year. Or even 2 v. 6. Anyway, going back to playing pool now. Enjoy your evening FAMS.

Keep in mind last year we had # 11. If we would have been 2 spots higher at # 9.........Big difference. You just never know.

 

[MickZagger]

Keep in mind last year we had # 11. If we would have been 2 spots higher at # 9.........Big difference. You just never know.

Shhhhhh.... His logics as wobbly as a bridge of toothpicks

 

[Jayps15]

Toronto didn't tank because they don't have their pick, OKC does. Philly not so sure.

And like above, 9th vs 11th last year and we could have had Drummond.

 

[Run BJM]

You guys tanked pretty hard to close the year too, but if you admitted that you had no chance at the POs earlier and started up the tank brigade sooner it might be the difference between landing Muhammed/Porter/Zeller vs. Len/Gobert/McCollum.

 

[magnifier661]

I was a jerk to Julius? Other way around he called me a dipshit.

I like turtles

 

[KeepOnRollin]

So explain to me why two other organizations decided to win their last game of the season and give up a spot in the draft?.

TOR doesn't have their pick OKC does so they had no reason to lay down.

PHI couldn't tank because the team they were playing were laying down and tanking too hard themselves (resting key players for the playoffs).

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Keep in mind last year we had # 11. If we would have been 2 spots higher at # 9.........Big difference. You just never know.

Yeah, and aside from a few of us, several people were terrified of the prospect of taking Drummond because of questions about his motor, Mike Rice's comments, etc.

You have to rely that the guys making the picks (or that work for those guys) did their homework and scouted properly. If Portland had gone a different direction and chosen to select Moe Harkless, they'd be looking pretty good right now. It's not like the draft stopped after pick #9.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Shhhhhh.... His logics as wobbly as a bridge of toothpicks

Considering how badly you've been touting Leonard, this is really funny (and I know you've touted Leonard hard - we've all been hearing about it all-day, everyday since before the draft. I'm going to start referring to you as 7-11. Is your arm tired and back sore from all the constant patting you do?).

So, you love Leonard, he was such a great pick. But... But... So, now that we got stuck with him at #11, instead of Drummond, we're screwed? So are you now saying Leonard won't be very good?

For the Leonard, I love Leonard. I've been a huge fan all along, before draft night. But I'm just confused by your posts.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah, and aside from a few of us, several people were terrified of the prospect of taking Drummond because of questions about his motor, Mike Rice's comments, etc.

You have to rely that the guys making the picks (or that work for those guys) did their homework and scouted properly. If Portland had gone a different direction and chosen to select Moe Harkless, they'd be looking pretty good right now. It's not like the draft stopped after pick #9.

We know it is often a crap shoot and it is getting more difficult all the time with the lack of college games to audition in. But at the same time the more difficult it gets to evaluate the players, the more important the higher picks become. It increases your odds even though there is a lot of guess work.

You are correct that the draft did not stop at 9, and you are correct that we have to rely on the scouts doing their homework, not going by what you, me, or Mike Rice think. The Blazer staff looked at Drummond long and hard. The odds would have increased in getting him if we had that 9th pick. Maybe they would have stilled passed, but we still would of had some chance of getting him as opposed to zero chance.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

We know it is often a crap shoot and it is getting more difficult all the time with the lack of college games to audition in. But at the same time the more difficult it gets to evaluate the players, the more important the higher picks become. It increases your odds even though there is a lot of guess work.

You are correct that the draft did not stop at 9, and you are correct that we have to rely on the scouts doing their homework, not going by what you, me, or Mike Rice think. The Blazer staff looked at Drummond long and hard. The odds would have increased in getting him if we had that 9th pick. Maybe they would have stilled passed, but we still would of had some chance of getting him as opposed to zero chance.

No shit? Isn't that pretty obvious? Err.... duh.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think you guys understand that I know the better draft position, the better (who doesn't understand that??). That kinda goes without saying. Obviously, the more players on the board (except maybe in the Oden draft, LOL). I don't understand why some of you don't understand that some of us are always against losing. What's so hard to understand about that? I mean, it's pretty simple, really. Some of us would have rather seen the Blazers go out with a win, not go into the record books for having the franchises longest losing streak, etc. The season is over, so we are where we are, but I'd have preferred a victory. Sorry that offends some of you. But I'm not a loser, and I don't accept losing willingly.

 

[Pinwheel1]

No shit? Isn't that pretty obvious? Err.... duh.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think you guys understand that I know the better draft position, the better (who doesn't understand that??). That kinda goes without saying. Obviously, the more players on the board (except maybe in the Oden draft, LOL). I don't understand why some of you don't understand that some of us are always against losing. What's so hard to understand about that? I mean, it's pretty simple, really. Some of us would have rather seen the Blazers go out with a win, not go into the record books for having the franchises longest losing streak, etc. The season is over, so we are where we are, but I'd have preferred a victory. Sorry that offends some of you. But I'm not a loser, and I don't accept losing willingly.

Look I argued for your point back in November. So I understand where you are coming from. You don't try to lose. But my point is they didn't. They played LMA 32 minutes after he had been nursing an injury. He had 30 points and 17 rebounds. No they did not bring him back late in the 4th, as they let some guys who seldom play (Joel) finish it out.

I just don't have a problem with it since they potentially may have moved up two spots in the draft. It was almost like a pre-season game where you try to win every game, but some things just aren't worth the extra sacrifice to get it done. Let the young guys get some minutes in the last few games.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Look I argued for your point back in November. So I understand where you are coming from. You don't try to lose. But my point is they didn't. They played LMA 32 minutes after he had been nursing an injury. He had 30 points and 17 rebounds. No they did not bring him back late in the 4th, as they let some guys who seldom play (Joel) finish it out.

I just don't have a problem with it since they potentially may have moved up two spots in the draft. It was almost like a pre-season game where you try to win every game, but some things just aren't worth the extra sacrifice to get it done. Let the young guys get some minutes in the last few games.

I never said they tried to lose. I just disagree with people who went into the game thinking Portland should lose. I mean, I knew they would lose to GS, and I know losing generally helps you get a better pick. I just don't agree with accepting losing or rooting for losing. So I'm really not sure why you or Zags even had a problem with anything I said (or the others that had the same POV as me).