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http://www.freep.com/article/201202...t-Obama-A-plan-to-help-responsible-homeowners

President Obama: A plan to help responsible homeowners

In my State of the Union address, I laid out a blueprint for an economy that's built to last -- an economy built on American manufacturing, American energy, skills for American workers, and a renewal of American values of fairness and responsibility.

Over the past decade, we strayed from those values and we saw what happened. Millions of families who did the right thing were hurt when the massive housing bubble burst.

Folks who shopped for a home they could afford, secured a mortgage and made their payments each month were hurt by those who weren't playing by the same rules: lenders who sold loans to people who couldn't afford them, buyers who bought homes they knew they couldn't afford, and banks that packaged and traded bad mortgages to reap phantom profits.

These actions triggered the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes, and the housing crisis remains the single biggest drag on our recovery.

It will take more time than any of us would like for the housing market to fully recover from this crisis, and government certainly can't fix the entire problem on its own. However, it is wrong for anybody to suggest that the only option for struggling, responsible homeowners is to sit and wait for the housing market to hit bottom.

This is a make-or-break moment for the middle class, and this housing crisis struck right at the heart of what it means to be middle class in America: owning a home.

The housing plan we launched a couple years ago has helped nearly a million responsible homeowners refinance their mortgages and save an average of $300 each month. But even with rates at historic lows, too many families are underwater and unable to refinance.

There are more than 10 million homeowners across the country who, because of an unprecedented decline in home prices, owe more on their mortgage than their homes are worth. For those responsible homeowners, there are actions we can take now to provide some relief.

That's why I'm sending Congress a plan that gives every responsible homeowner the chance to save about $3,000 a year on their mortgage by refinancing at today's low rates. No more red tape or runaround from the banks. A small fee on the largest financial institutions will ensure that it won't add to the deficit and will give those banks that were rescued by taxpayers a chance to repay a deficit of trust.

This plan will not help those who bought a house they could not afford and then walked away. It's not designed for those who've acted irresponsibly or those who flipped multiple homes to make a quick buck. But it will help millions who make their payments on time and yet remain trapped under falling home values.

For this, we need Congress to act. Until it does, however, I will not wait to prevent the same kinds of abuses that led to this crisis in the first place. To hold people who broke the law accountable and turn the page on an era of recklessness, I asked my attorney general to establish a special task force to investigate the irresponsible actions of those banks that packaged and sold risky mortgages.

I'm also proposing a Homeowners Bill of Rights -- one straightforward set of commonsense rules for families shopping for a mortgage. No more hidden fees and no more getting the runaround when you call about your loan. New safeguards against inappropriate foreclosures and new options to avoid foreclosure if you've fallen on hardship or a run of bad luck. And because Americans making a down payment on their dreams shouldn't be terrified by pages and pages of fine print, a simple form for new buyers with clear terms and transparent fees.

An economy that's built to last demands responsibility from everyone. Government must take responsibility for fair rules, and banks and lenders must end the practices that helped cause this crisis in the first place. To recover from the worst economic crisis of our lifetimes, all of us need to take responsibility for our actions.

I'll keep doing everything I can to make the future brighter for homeowners and families. But Congress needs to act, too. If you're a homeowner who wants to refinance, call your members of Congress. Tell them not to hold up relief for homeowners like you. Tell them to pass this plan, help families rebuild their dreams, and make our economy stronger.

Barack Obama is president of the United States.
 
$3,000 a year can be a big help to some people.
 
$3,000 a year can be a big help to some people.

It does, but remember that "refinancing" is tacking on more interest to the bank in the long run. Let's say you've already paid 5-10 years on your mortgage. By refinancing; you give the banks even more interest payments. Usually the first 5 years, most the payments go towards interest; then the sliding scale as the mortgage goes on. So in other words; let's give the banks more money! :D
 
It does, but remember that "refinancing" is tacking on more interest to the bank in the long run. Let's say you've already paid 5-10 years on your mortgage. By refinancing; you give the banks even more interest payments. Usually the first 5 years, most the payments go towards interest; then the sliding scale as the mortgage goes on. So in other words; let's give the banks more money! :D

Huh?

You've paid 10 years on a 30 yr mtg.

You re-finance for the remaining 20 yrs at a far lower rate = Good Deal.
 
Huh?

You've paid 10 years on a 30 yr mtg.

You re-finance for the remaining 20 yrs at a far lower rate = Good Deal.

You think the refinancing will be a 20? I don't think so. In fact the payments on the 20 would be way more. How does that help the homeowner?
 
3,000 x 10,000,000 = 30B.

He gave the banks $1.6T.

That's why it's too little. The banks were made whole at the expense of all the "regular" main street people being underwater in their homes.

At this point, the govt. would be better off buying foreclosed homes and bulldozing them. Why? Supply/Demand curve. It reduces supply, lifting the value of the remaining homes.
 
You think the refinancing will be a 20? I don't think so. In fact the payments on the 20 would be way more. How does that help the homeowner?

He's assuming that after 10 years, you've paid off some % of your principal and refinancing the remainder at 30 years saves the homeowner money. But it doesn't.
 
He's assuming that after 10 years, you've paid off some % of your principal and refinancing the remainder at 30 years saves the homeowner money. But it doesn't.

You probably paid about 4% of principle after 10 years. And the home value is probably lower than most paid getting the break.
 
You probably paid about 4% of principle after 10 years. And the home value is probably lower than most paid getting the break.

I've paid off 2% of the principle on my mortgage each of the first two years.
 
You think the refinancing will be a 20? I don't think so. In fact the payments on the 20 would be way more. How does that help the homeowner?

Banks would rather do a 20 or 15 than a 30 when rates are at historic lows.

100,000 at 10% over 30yrs (877.57mo pmt)= 315,928.60 total home loan cost

Refi balance left after 10 yrs (90,938.32)

90,938.32 at 4% over 20yrs (551.07mo pmt) = 132,255.52 add 105,308.40 paid on previous loan = 237,563.92 total home loan cost

Refi for 30 yrs at 4% would be 477.42mo pmt = 171,867.97 add 105,308.40 = 277176.37 total home loan cost.

FYI, a fair loan in the first place would have been 100,000 at 875.53mo for only 12 yrs = 126,076.06 total home loan cost.

That's how the 1% got where they are, by swindling the common man, who as you have demonstrated is baffled by basic math.
 
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That's how the 1% got where they are, by swindling the common man.

Please explain to a layman how the 1% has swindled the common man. For that matter, who is the so-called 1%??
 
3,000 x 10,000,000 = 30B.

He gave the banks $1.6T.

That's why it's too little. The banks were made whole at the expense of all the "regular" main street people being underwater in their homes.

At this point, the govt. would be better off buying foreclosed homes and bulldozing them. Why? Supply/Demand curve. It reduces supply, lifting the value of the remaining homes.

I agree with this.

The government "bought" the foreclosures already with the 1.6T.

They should bulldoze all the currently bank-owned homes.

Market fixed, new construction back to work.

Only the lawyers lose work.
 
He's assuming that after 10 years, you've paid off some % of your principal and refinancing the remainder at 30 years saves the homeowner money. But it doesn't.

It does, if you're not raped by bogus refi fees.
 
It does, if you're not raped by bogus refi fees.


So, don't even respond to my posts......................................... yet again. :)
 
Banks would rather do a 20 or 15 than a 30 when rates are at historic lows.

100,000 at 10% over 30yrs (877.57mo pmt)= 315,928.60 total home cost

Refi balance left after 10 yrs (90,938.32)

90,938.32 at 4% over 20yrs (551.07mo pmt) = 132,255.52 add 105,308.40 paid on previous loan = 237,563.92 total home cost

Refi for 30 yrs at 4% would be 477.42mo pmt = 171,867.97 add 105,308.40 = 277176.37 total home cost.

FYI, a fair loan in the first place would have been 100,000 at 875.53mo for only 12 yrs = 126,076.06 total home cost.

That's how the 1% got where they are, by swindling the common man, who as you have demonstrated is baffled by basic math.

I have a 1st loan at 6.25%, not 10%.

The savings isn't so great.
 
So, don't even respond to my posts......................................... yet again. :)

Sorry, I have a life in addition to my responsibility to educate you.
 
Banks would rather do a 20 or 15 than a 30 when rates are at historic lows.

100,000 at 10% over 30yrs (877.57mo pmt)= 315,928.60 total home cost

Refi balance left after 10 yrs (90,938.32)

90,938.32 at 4% over 20yrs (551.07mo pmt) = 132,255.52 add 105,308.40 paid on previous loan = 237,563.92 total home cost

Refi for 30 yrs at 4% would be 477.42mo pmt = 171,867.97 add 105,308.40 = 277176.37 total home cost.

FYI, a fair loan in the first place would have been 100,000 at 875.53mo for only 12 yrs = 126,076.06 total home cost.

That's how the 1% got where they are, by swindling the common man, who as you have demonstrated is baffled by basic math.

Impossible to get a 12 year loan for that low. If you can; find me the mortgage company I can apply to. 26k interest on a 100k home? No freaken way! Even if it was 4%
 
Sorry, I have a life in addition to my responsibility to educate you.

That's not an answer. Would you mind answering my honest question(s)?

Thanks
 

How is this happening now? Something changed? I remembered usually at 6% you paid almost double the principle on interest and a 15 year was about .65 of the principle in interest. Is there that much of a gap between 15 to 10?

But even then it's a 29k interest for 10 year. Probably more for 12. 15 year is almost double in interest.
 
Everything was great until the Supreme Court forced BUSH on us in the fake election.
 
That's how the 1% got where they are, by swindling the common man, who as you have demonstrated is baffled by basic math.

To me, It still boils down to personal accountability/responsibility on the purchaser's part. Where does the swindling part come in? What does the Truth In Lending requirements not cover here?

That said, what is the average amount of time one spends in any given home? How many folks actually stay in their home over the duration of the loan?

I'm still trying to figure out how/why property values plunged as they did.
 
That's not an answer. Would you mind answering my honest question(s)?

Thanks

Your "questions" were:

Please explain to a layman how the 1% has swindled the common man. For that matter, who is the so-called 1%??

Either you're being a dick and pretending to be incredibly naive and isolated from any sort of news media, or you're incapable of understanding obvious realities.

I'm too busy to play that game. I suggest you google it if you're actually serious.
 
Your "questions" were:

Please explain to a layman how the 1% has swindled the common man. For that matter, who is the so-called 1%??

Either you're being a dick and pretending to be incredibly naive and isolated from any sort of news media, or you're incapable of understanding obvious realities.

No, I'm being serious. I asked the question in a different way just above your response here.
 
I blame people like Al Sharpton squawking about folks not being able to get home loans and that changes in the lending requirements should be made. To me, it still boils back down to personal responsibility. I mean, if I can't afford a home, I can't afford a home. The monthly loan figures are in black and white right there in front of me.

That said, if an auto dealer sells me a Mercedes, and a finance company loans me the money and I then can't afford to make the payment, who's fault is it...the auto dealers? Well, I suppose you could say they were the ones stupid enough to lend me the money. The fact remains, though, that it was my stupid fault for buying a car I couldn't afford in the first place.

The main problem as I see it, is folks using credit (cards, HELOCS, various loans) FAR too much. That's where the true problem lies...NOT in the laps of the so-called 1%.
 

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