WB4 for MIP? (1 Viewer)

[Reep]

Rightfully, there is a lot of talk of our two draft picks and what we can get from free agency. But, I'm really hoping that WB4 can step up this year and own that role. He has all the tools to be really effective, and if he uses them could be in the running for MIP or 6th man. Just a reminder . . .

Strengths: Baldwin possesses good size and length for a combo guard ... Measuring in at 6'3" with a 6'11" wingspan and 195 lbs, he has the length to make up for his lack of height ... Attacks the rim with ferocity and is very difficult to contain ... Already a strong defender, capable of guarding multiple positions ... Uses his length and strength to force opposing players into tough shots ... Has the lateral quickness to stick in front of smaller guards ... Plays very aggressively on both ends of the court ... Has strong numbers shooting from outside (above 40% from three in both seasons at Vanderbilt) ... Has a compact release that is easily replicated on each attempt ... Shoots well off both hop and one-two gathers ... Solid at the free throw line as well ... Does a good job of finding the open teammate ... Delivers the ball on target and into the shooter's pocket ... Plays with an excellent pace ... Knows when to pull up and when to bring it out on fastbreaks ... Very efficient player ...

Baldwin's excellent physical profile, which has him standing 6'3” in height, with a ridiculous 6'10” wingspan and a well-built frame, creates quite a bit of intrigue around him as a prospect, especially on the defensive end, where his size and lateral mobility give him the potential to defend two positions down the line, versatility that decision makers are always craving. Offensively, the first thing that jumps out on Baldwin, both on his stat sheet and when watching film, is his perimeter shooting, as he's made 40.6% of his 199 three-point attempts during his two seasons in college. He's most prolific as a shooter off the catch, where he shot 42% on the season and over 43% when left unguarded, both numbers which, when accounting for the fact that the vast majority of those attempts were from three-point range, were well above average, yielding 1.246 and 1.267 points per shot, respectively, according to Synergy Sports Technology. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Wade-Baldwin-82826/ ©DraftExpress

If he is ready to step up to it, I hope he will get all the minutes he can handle. He could be amazing paired with Dame and CJ.

 

[BBert]

I've very optimistic about WBIV. Hopefully, at this very moment, he's working on his outside shot.

 

[Labinot41]

On Defense he is really good, but i'm skeptical about his offense Game, playmaking, shooting, creation, passing. We'll see

 

[BBert]

On Defense he is really good, but i'm skeptical about his offense Game, playmaking, shooting, creation, passing. We'll see

In the little we got to see of him, I liked everything I saw, with the exception of the form on his shot. His shots were falling, but they weren't pretty. With the right work, he could improve on that this summer. Considering he's trying to claw his way into an NBA rotation, I'm going to bet he is.

 

[HailBlazers]

In the little we got to see of him, I liked everything I saw, with the exception of the form on his shot. His shots were falling, but they weren't pretty. With the right work, he could improve on that this summer. Considering he's trying to claw his way into an NBA rotation, I'm going to bet he is.

Reminds me of Rondo. Would be huge if he could become a reliable play maker and defensive stopper. You saw Rajons impact this year in the playoffs. A player like that is huge come post season when the game slows down.

Props @Reep I like where your head's at.

 

[BBert]

As for WBIV's defense, while excellent at times, he got burned quite a bit too. What he has shown is that he can be an excellent defender, he just needs more game experience against the best players in the league to do so consistently.

 

[tlongII]

I don't think so. Baldwin is a fringe player as to even being in the league.

 

[Scalma]

Yes. That’s mah boiii.

But I think we should see what Portland does with Napier and the PG market first. Personally I would hand the backup role to Baldwin and then sign a vet for the minimum to act as insurance. Jameer Nelson would be ideal imo. Good in the locker room, can run an offense and knock down shots. Old as shit, but that’s why he’d be available for the minimum.

 

[Boob-No-More]

He needs to improve his 3-point shooting before he even cracks the rotation. In 17 G League games last year, he shot .239 3FG%. That's horrible and that's against G League competition. It's also below his G League career average of .276 3FG% in 50 games. That's a significant sample size, it's bad and it's moving in the wrong direction.

He showed he can beat G League players off the dribble, he's long and athletic, but in the NBA, running the offense through a guy who can't shoot is a recipe for failure.

Hopefully, the fact that we drafted two guards will give him added motivation to wok his as off and prove he belongs in this league.

BNM

 

[Reep]

He needs to improve his 3-point shooting before he even cracks the rotation. In 17 G League games last year, he shot .239 3FG%. That's horrible and that's against G League competition. It's also below his G League career average of .276 3FG% in 50 games. That's a significant sample size, it's bad and it's moving in the wrong direction.

He showed he can beat G League players off the dribble, he's long and athletic, but in the NBA, running the offense through a guy who can't shoot is a recipe for failure.

Hopefully, the fact that we drafted two guards will give him added motivation to wok his as off and prove he belongs in this league.

BNM

Hard to imagine a guy who shot above 40% from three in two years of college couldn’t get his shot to translate if he worked on it. Although we do see it periodically.

 

[tester551]

He needs to improve his 3-point shooting before he even cracks the rotation. In 17 G League games last year, he shot .239 3FG%. That's horrible and that's against G League competition. It's also below his G League career average of .276 3FG% in 50 games. That's a significant sample size, it's bad and it's moving in the wrong direction.

He showed he can beat G League players off the dribble, he's long and athletic, but in the NBA, running the offense through a guy who can't shoot is a recipe for failure.

Hopefully, the fact that we drafted two guards will give him added motivation to wok his as off and prove he belongs in this league.

BNM

He was also dealing with a broken thumb. After being cleared to play - he still had it wrapped heavily

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hard to imagine a guy who shot above 40% from three in two years of college couldn’t get his shot to translate if he worked on it. Although we do see it periodically.

His sample size in the G League is 145 3-point attempts. His sample size in college was 199 3-point attempts. The biggest difference is the G League 3-point line is the same distance as the NBA 3-point line. For some players, that added distance makes a difference. Hopefully, he's spending all summer working on that.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

He was also dealing with a broken thumb. After being cleared to play - he still had it wrapped heavily

Both years?

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hard to imagine a guy who shot above 40% from three in two years of college couldn’t get his shot to translate if he worked on it. Although we do see it periodically.

Jake Layman wasn't above .400 3FG% in college but shot .396 3FG% his senior year. His NBA and G League sample sizes are small, but his 3FG percentages suck. .239 in the NBA and .226 in G League.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Jake Layman wasn't above .400 3FG% in college but shot .396 3FG% his senior year. His NBA and G League sample sizes are small, but his 3FG percentages suck. .239 in the NBA and .226 in G League.

BNM

And thats with a what... 7-8 from three start in his debut or something?

 

[Boob-No-More]

And thats with a what... 7-8 from three start in his debut or something?

He was 5 - 7 from 3-point range in his NBA game and has been 12 - 64 (.188 3FG%) since.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

He was 5 - 7 from 3-point range in his NBA game and has been 12 - 64 (.188 3FG%) since.

BNM

I knew you knew the true numbers. Thanks. But yeah, take that first game out and .... wow............12 of 64.

Lights out shooter!!!

 

[Reep]

Jake Layman wasn't above .400 3FG% in college but shot .396 3FG% his senior year. His NBA and G League sample sizes are small, but his 3FG percentages suck. .239 in the NBA and .226 in G League.

BNM

In my second sentence I actually had "(Layman)" and the removed it before I posted.

 

[Boob-No-More]

In my second sentence I actually had "(Layman)" and the removed it before I posted.

When we drafted Layman, the one thing I liked about him was he improved his 3FG% every year at Maryland (.299, .365, .378, .396). I thought that was a good sign.

Oh well, some guys just never adapt to the NBA distance and speed of the game. Too bad, He has good form and shoots with confidence. The ball just doesn't go in the basket.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

He was also dealing with a broken thumb. After being cleared to play - he still had it wrapped heavily

This. His rookie sample isn’t large enough to draw any conclusions either.

He’s fine as an outside shooter when he’s set. It’s the off the dribble threes where he needs work. That’s coachable. His biggest strengths offensively are transition, and an ability to get to the line. That’s something we really need.

 

[Propagandist]

This. His rookie sample isn’t large enough to draw any conclusions either.

He’s fine as an outside shooter when he’s set. It’s the off the dribble threes where he needs work. That’s coachable. His biggest strengths offensively are transition, and an ability to get to the line. That’s something we really need.

I agree. I also think he adds that get-under-the-opponent's-skin element that the Blazers could use more of.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

He and Trent are both very aggressive. Could make for an interesting dual.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He needs to improve his 3-point shooting before he even cracks the rotation. In 17 G League games last year, he shot .239 3FG%. That's horrible and that's against G League competition. It's also below his G League career average of .276 3FG% in 50 games. That's a significant sample size, it's bad and it's moving in the wrong direction.

He showed he can beat G League players off the dribble, he's long and athletic, but in the NBA, running the offense through a guy who can't shoot is a recipe for failure.

Hopefully, the fact that we drafted two guards will give him added motivation to wok his as off and prove he belongs in this league.

BNM

Simmons, Giannis, the offense runs through the and they can’t really shoot well. Of course they have 4-5 inches on baldwin. Just saying it “can” be overcome.

 

[Reep]

Funny "will he be the next CJ McCollum?"

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/2016-nba-draft-scouting-report-wade-baldwin-vanderbilt-guard

 

[Reep]

 

[Reep]

 

[Reep]

Haha "I try and model my game after Russel Westbrook, but have a little higher IQ."

 

[riverman]

I'm a fan of this kid...doesn't back down to a challenge..has a motor. Gets in Harden' head...gotta love it...I think the guy who could make the leap this summer is actually Layman...he's got game if he can shake his shooting slumps..his shot looks really good.

 

[Reep]

I'm a fan of this kid...doesn't back down to a challenge..has a motor. Gets in Harden' head...gotta love it...I think the guy who could make the leap this summer is actually Layman...he's got game if he can shake his shooting slumps..his shot looks really good.

I sure would like to see that, but time is running out. I have seen him really lock down smaller players on D at times, but he just doesn't seem to put it all together in games.

 

[riverman]

I sure would like to see that, but time is running out. I have seen him really lock down smaller players on D at times, but he just doesn't seem to put it all together in games.

hence...."making the leap"....he's cheap and has a year left...knows the system...I'll bet he's back next season unless we need the roster spot for a trade deal that's an impact player...lot of guys his size make the leap 3rd year