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magnifier661 said:
Easy, Matthews is big enough and strong enough to rotate to SF. Oh and he's a three point threat as well.
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Not for more than a few minutes a game. Matthews is much too short to play small forward.
 
I wonder if Atlanta would be interested in Asik as a good building piece, who won't get in the way (by helping them win) this year. Doubt they'd give Horford to Houston, which would be scary if they did, but I wonder if it could work in some sort of 3 way w/us giving up Leonard, Freeland or Thomas Robinson, and McCollum. Would that be worth it? I'd have to think so. But I doubt Olshey would want to give up on McCollum so soon, and I also doubt that other teams would want to take a chance on him right away.

The other move that seems to make sense on paper is Millsap for Asik, though I'm not sure Atlanta would pull the trigger on that one. Horford has been wanting to play next to a center for years, just like Aldridge. (of course they have to wait two more weeks)
 
Natebishop3 said:
Not for more than a few minutes a game. Matthews is much too short to play small forward.
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yeah..I was trying to find a nice way to ask who he really wanted to see us play at the three, without pointing out the obvious
 
DaLincolnJones said:
yeah..I was trying to find a nice way to ask who he really wanted to see us play at the three, without pointing out the obvious
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Wright would start at 3 and play 30 minutes. I don't see how Matthews wouldn't be capable of giving us 18 minutes at Sf? If it's such a big issue, then hold onto Claver and he could give us 10 minutes at Sf, while Matthews gives us 8.
 
If he is available, I think you ought to make him a priority because he is a difference maker as a big man. He would be great with LA.

The question is who do you get rid of to get him. Nic just as Olshey said last season and I scoffed at, is a cornerstone. And he has made the same difference for this team as Chris Paul and Blake Griffin has made for their team. I'd be reluctant to move him. I'm really reluctant to move anyone on this club right now due to chemistry but I'm really reluctant to move him.

I have been opposed to moving CJ, but if a package including CJ, Matthews and Leonard, picks, cash would garner Horford, then I would prob do that moving Mo to two or your idea of Wright to two.
 
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OneLifeToLive said:
If he is available, I think you ought to make him a priority because he is a difference maker as a big man. He would be great with LA.

The question is who do you get rid of to get him. Nic just as Olshey said last season and I scoffed at, is a cornerstone. And he has made the same difference for this team as Chris Paul and Blake Griffin has made for their team. I'd be reluctant to move him. I'm really reluctant to move anyone on this club right now due to chemistry but I'm really reluctant to move him.

I have been opposed to moving CJ, but if a package including CJ, Matthews and Freeland would garner Horford, then I would prob do that moving Mo to two or your idea of Wright to two.
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I would do that in a heart beat as well, but I just don't think that's enough for Atlanta to bite. Batum is rare and could probably make the all star team in the East. They would need an all star in return for their all star.

I think Atlanta would be open to a trade. They don't have a fan base and I doubt Horford will be happy there. I also think only a team that is winning would be a location for Horford. Teams won't give up talent unless they know they will be able to keep him, so trading him to a lotto team won't do anything for Atlanta. Portland is a prime place because we have youth or promising talent in exchange for their all star. Also, Horford would be happy to play in Portland and along side Aldridge.
 
magnifier661 said:
I would do that in a heart beat as well, but I just don't think that's enough for Atlanta to bite. Batum is rare and could probably make the all star team in the East. They would need an all star in return for their all star.

I think Atlanta would be open to a trade. They don't have a fan base and I doubt Horford will be happy there. I also think only a team that is winning would be a location for Horford. Teams won't give up talent unless they know they will be able to keep him, so trading him to a lotto team won't do anything for Atlanta. Portland is a prime place because we have youth or promising talent in exchange for their all star. Also, Horford would be happy to play in Portland and along side Aldridge.
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Look at my new edited version. The new edited version is of slightly more value.

I think in the end, the team has a really good thing going and maybe what they ought to do is ....

Leave things alone and wait for Meyers.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
Look at my new edited version. The new edited version is of slightly more value.

I think in the end, the team has a really good thing going and maybe what they ought to do is ....

Leave things alone and wait for Meyers.
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No edited version is much better. Leonard and CJ could be the difference.

I'm totally fine with leaving things alone, but I would love our front court to have another player demanding a double.

This "batum is too valuable" shit is making me laugh though for a career 20 per player that demands doubles, rebounds, shoots a dam good mid range, can post up and defends really well.
 
I have Horford at an 18.5 PER

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html

Nic at a 15.6 PER (both above league average)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/batumni01.html

Nic has a WS/48 of .125, with Horford having a .154. Block % are about the same (2.1 for Batum, 2.5 for Horford). Assist % are pretty much the same (12.7 for Batum, 12.1 for Horford). EFG% is pretty much the same as well, .538 for Horford, .540 for Batum. Horford obviously has more rebounds. TS% is about the same as well.

What I'm notcing is that aside from Rebounds, it's a lot of the same production. It's just that they bring something different than stats can show us. Horford brings the double team, Batum spreads the floor and can pass extremely well (albeit a bit crazy at times). It's really what our offense is really needing at the time, and as much as I love Horford and want him on this team, I'd almost want to trade Matthews instead, if we had the option. Though, if I am to be completely honest, I'd just want it to stay pat and ride with what we have. This is the best team we have for this system, IMO.
 
Strenuus said:
I have Horford at an 18.5 PER

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horfoal01.html

Nic at a 15.6 PER (both above league average)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/batumni01.html

Nic has a WS/48 of .125, with Horford having a .154. Block % are about the same (2.1 for Batum, 2.5 for Horford). Assist % are pretty much the same (12.7 for Batum, 12.1 for Horford). EFG% is pretty much the same as well, .538 for Horford, .540 for Batum. Horford obviously has more rebounds. TS% is about the same as well.

What I'm notcing is that aside from Rebounds, it's a lot of the same production. It's just that they bring something different than stats can show us. Horford brings the double team, Batum spreads the floor and can pass extremely well (albeit a bit crazy at times). It's really what our offense is really needing at the time, and as much as I love Horford and want him on this team, I'd almost want to trade Matthews instead, if we had the option. Though, if I am to be completely honest, I'd just want it to stay pat and ride with what we have. This is the best team we have for this system, IMO.
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If there was ever a way to get Horford without trading Batum I'd be sooooo for it. As someone posted above; Matthews, Leonard and CJ for Horford is damn good, IMO. I would hate to lose Matthews though. CJ isn't a big deal for me.
 
I'd rather send MAtthews than Batum. But not because one is far lesser than the other, it's just that one hurts only slightly less than others... like pulling hairs. lol.
 
magnifier661 said:
If there was ever a way to get Horford without trading Batum I'd be sooooo for it. As someone posted above; Matthews, Leonard and CJ for Horford is damn good, IMO. I would hate to lose Matthews though. CJ isn't a big deal for me.
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The next question is, would the need of Robin be the same if you had Horford in your lineup as the starter? I know we all have fell in love with Robin but if we had Horford, Would the need for Robin be the same? And would Robins contributions be the same coming off the bench? I said I wouldn't break up the chemistry and move him for Asik. But I would prob part him in a deal for Horford.

So...CJ, Matthews, Robin, picks and cash for Horford. Prob still not enough.
 
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Mags I'd love this trade.

People are way overvaluing Batum. Horford would make our defense better, he'd make our offense better, and he'd make us tougher.
 
magnifier661 said:
Would Atlanta be okay with sending them, batum, Leonard, claver and Barton for Horford? They could tank and grab a top 5 pick, hopefully getting wiggins in the sweepstakes

If we could somehow manage to pull this off, Aldridge, horford, Lopez, T. Rob and Freeland would be a formidable front court. It would strengthen our depth as well, allowing T. Rob to develop. Horford could slide to PF, if god forbid, Aldridge gets injured.
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i would like horford as a LMA replacement if he decides to walk and we have to trade him for someone
 
...we DO NOT need Horford, absolutely NOT! This idea fails on so many levels. Batum is the super glue that holds this team together. Horford is a lesser version of LMA...not a true center...and not a player that brings anything "new" to the table. This might have worked perfectly for your fantasy team on NBA2k14, but not in real life.
 
Does every trade that people disagree with really need statements like this:
This might have worked perfectly for your fantasy team on NBA2k14, but not in real life.

You are only showing how little you know about 2k14 with comments like that :)
 
Mags, I gotta say this is a foolish idea IMHO. And why you want to give up the farm for Horford I surely don't know but let's just say I disagree with the entirety of your post.
 
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ponderguy said:
Does every trade that people disagree with really need statements like this:
This might have worked perfectly for your fantasy team on NBA2k14, but not in real life.

You are only showing how little you know about 2k14 with comments like that :)
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Haha repped!
 
dviss1 said:
Mags, I gotta say this is a foolish idea IMHO. And why you want to give up the farm for Horford I surely don't know but let's just say I disagree with the entirety of your post.
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It's a pretty shitty farm.
 
Bad idea for all the reasons listed, rotation fit, chemistry, duplicating abilities, etc...

But probably the #1 reason is because there's no way in hell Atlanta does a trade based around Batum, Matthews or CJ for Horford. First of all, they value him to highly for that deal to make any sense to their front office. But more importantly, Atlanta will not be tanking this season or next because they have the rights to swap 1st rounders with Brooklyn both years. With the way ATL and BKN are playing the Hawks could remain a top 4 seed, make the 2nd round of the playoffs, and still get a top 5 pick in this years draft. That would allow them win a bit now and still build around a better core of Teague + Horford instead of Teague + Batum/Matthews/CJ, and the more they win and the further they advance the more they screw BKN with a worse pick to ensure they continue to suck, that way ATL can maybe steal another top 5 pick next year.
 
Jayps15 said:
Bad idea for all the reasons listed, rotation fit, chemistry, duplicating abilities, etc...

But probably the #1 reason is because there's no way in hell Atlanta does a trade based around Batum, Matthews or CJ for Horford. First of all, they value him to highly for that deal to make any sense to their front office. But more importantly, Atlanta will not be tanking this season or next because they have the rights to swap 1st rounders with Brooklyn both years. With the way ATL and BKN are playing the Hawks could remain a top 4 seed, make the 2nd round of the playoffs, and still get a top 5 pick in this years draft. That would allow them win a bit now and still build around a better core of Teague + Horford instead of Teague + Batum/Matthews/CJ, and the more they win and the further they advance the more they screw BKN with a worse pick to ensure they continue to suck, that way ATL can maybe steal another top 5 pick next year.
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well said. repped.
 
Horford is not a C. He just plays the position because he's forced to. And the idea to give up Batum when he does so much for us is pretty silly.

If there really is someone we "absolutely need" to put us over the top, it's Horford's buddy from Floriday, Noah.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Horford is not a C. He just plays the position because he's forced to. And the idea to give up Batum when he does so much for us is pretty silly.

If there really is someone we "absolutely need" to put us over the top, it's Horford's buddy from Floriday, Noah.
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If I'm Chicago, I'm looking to deal Boozer and Deng LONG before I deal Noah.
 
Deng is productive and an expiring contract, so I think the Bulls can get something for him. With Boozer being owed 15.3 and 16.8, I don't think they can find a team to take him.

If Bulls are going to tank, they could find the most value by trading Noah . . . but they won't give him away and will want serious value (maybe potential value) in return.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I agree, but what can Chicago get for those two?
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I think Golden State would love to have Deng and Boozer. I was thinking a three way, that involves NOLA, Golden State and Chicago.

golden State sends: Love, Barnes, speights
They receive: Deng and Ryan Anderson.

Chicago trades: Boozer, Deng and Noah
They receive: NOLA protected first, Love, Barnes, Eric Gordon

Nola trades: Ryan Anderson, protected first rounder, Eric Gordon
They receive: Noah, boozer and Speights.


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