We are in GREAT hands.

[Idog1976]

That makes absolutely no sense. If Matthews was the 7th choice, why did they sign him first? Especially since he is a RFA, and they knew they'd have to way 7 days. Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, Raymond Felton, Kyle Korver, Luke Ridnour, and, Raja Bell were clearly not higher priorities than Matthews.

Matthews is clearly the best of that lot hands down. Unless you have a time machine packaged into a Raja Bell signing. By the way is it just me or doesn't his name sound like an Indian fast food joint?

 

[mook]

Matthews had an 11.8 PER in the playoffs, shot 39% from the field and 35% from 3pt, and got raped by Kobe Bryant. For comparison, Rudy shot 44% FG, 48% 3pt, and had a PER of 12.

The difference is that Matthews was asked to guard Carmello and Kobe as a rookie. He kind of had his hands full. It's not hard to see why his playoff offensive numbers were down.

Interestingly enough, despite the bad stats Sloan still played him more than all but two other Jazz players throughout their playoff run. Including far more minutes than the vaunted (and five years older) Kyle Korver.

Who was Rudy guarding in the playoffs? Oh that's right, nobody.

How many minutes did Rudy log a night during the playoffs? Oh that's right, about half as many as the rookie Matthews.

Whose team actually advanced past the first round? Oh that's right, Matthews again.

 

[BGrantFan]

Matthews is clearly the best of that lot hands down. Unless you have a time machine packaged into a Raja Bell signing. By the way is it just me or doesn't his name sound like an Indian fast food joint?

Um, not in my opinion. Now what? You won't "rep" me because you don't agree with me? The Blazers admitted they overpaid for Matthews. Brilliant!

 

[BGrantFan]

The difference is that Matthews was asked to guard Carmello and Kobe as a rookie. He kind of had his hands full. It's not hard to see why his playoff offensive numbers were down.

Interestingly enough, despite the bad stats Sloan still played him more than all but two other Jazz players throughout their playoff run. Including far more minutes than the vaunted (and five years older) Kyle Korver.

Who was Rudy guarding in the playoffs? Oh that's right, nobody.

How many minutes did Rudy log a night during the playoffs? Oh that's right, about half as many as the rookie Matthews.

Whose team actually advanced past the first round? Oh that's right, Matthews again.

Lots of excuses for Matthews. Let's give him $9 million next year.

 

[RR7]

Um, not in my opinion. Now what? You won't "rep" me because you don't agree with me? The Blazers admitted they overpaid for Matthews. Brilliant!

Wow, very confrontational of someone else stating an opinion. Same old PapaG. Rather nitpick an argument than actually try to have a discussion.

As for Matthews, meh. We did overpay. We wanted him, and that was likely the only way to get him. So be it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If the market values Travis Outlaw at $35 million over 5 years, I'd call Matthews's contract a bargain.

 

[OddEnormous]

Wow, very confrontational of someone else stating an opinion. Same old PapaG. Rather nitpick an argument than actually try to have a discussion.

It doesn't, *edited*

I don't expect you to see the logic in that, you seem to just be trolling, so again, use a straw when you jam your head in the sand.

Awesome

 

[Ed O]

There are different types of things we can talk about on this board related to basketball:

1. Facts.
2. Opinion on facts.
3. Speculation.
4. Opinion on speculation.

Re: Matthews, those break down something like this:

1. The Blazers offered Matthews a contract and the Jazz could match.
2. I think we're offering too much and/or the Jazz could match.
3. The Blazers probably talked to Jordan Farmar first and/or Matthews will be the first SG off the bench.
4. If the Blazers talked to Farmar first, then Larry Miller is a moron and/or if Matthews is the first SG off the bench then the team will be hurt.

We're into area #4 in this thread. The OP seems to be posting about speculation by some guy from BlazersEdge.

It's a legit thing to talk about, of course, but it's silly to draw CONCLUSIONS based on speculation.

Ed O.

 

[OddEnormous]

some guy from BlazersEdge.

Who has about 5 million times more contact and interaction with the Portland TrailBlazers than anyone here.

If he's just "some guy from Blazers Edge" I'd shudder to imagine the titles we deserve.

 

[blazerboy30]

If he's just "some guy from Blazers Edge" I'd shudder to imagine the titles we deserve.

You've earned yourself some interesting titles, to be sure.

 

[Ed O]

Who has about 5 million times more contact and interaction with the Portland TrailBlazers than anyone here.

If he's just "some guy from Blazers Edge" I'd shudder to imagine the titles we deserve.

I don't care who he is. If he writes:

"The timing appears to be motivated in part by a rash of free agent signings of backcourt players that Portland had targeted."

then that says it's speculation.

If he had some information, whether it was a source or a quote or even "word around the Blazers" then presumably he would have written that.

But he didn't, and it seems clear that he's just speculating.

Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

Wow, very confrontational of someone else stating an opinion. Rather nitpick an argument than actually try to have a discussion.

As for Matthews, meh. We did overpay. We wanted him, and that was likely the only way to get him. So be it.

Providing statistics is now considered "nitpicking". The statistics say that Matthews is a mediocre to below-average player, and the Blazers want to pay him $9 million next year. But, I'm just "nitpicking".

If Matthews is such a hot prospect, the Jazz should match no matter the cost. If they don't match, then Portland (IMO) massively overpays for Utah's sloppy seconds.

If Matthews does end up here, he'd better produce immediately, because I'd have rather seen help at PG.

 

[RR7]

I don't care who he is. If he writes:

"The timing appears to be motivated in part by a rash of free agent signings of backcourt players that Portland had targeted."

then that says it's speculation.


Ed O.

Not only that, but false speculation, if he is trying to say they moved fast because their other targets were already signed elsewhere. Since they were still available when Matthews' offer was made.

 

[BGrantFan]

You've earned yourself some interesting titles, to be sure.

All this blazerboy dude does is respond to posters to elicit some response, and not actual points of debate.

Does this make him a master baiter?

 

[OddEnormous]

You've earned yourself some interesting titles, to be sure.

Don't worry. "Some boring guy nobody remembers" will always be yours.

 

[Ed O]

Don't worry. "Some boring guy nobody remembers" will always be yours.

If you don't know who he is then you haven't been paying attention.

Ed O.

 

[blazerboy30]

If Matthews is such a hot prospect, the Jazz should match no matter the cost.

This doesn't even make sense.

Saying the "Jazz should match no matter the cost" is silly. Nobody is claiming WM is worth a max deal. Nobody is claiming WM should be signed "no matter the cost". People are claiming he might be worth the MLE, which is what he was offered. You want to keep bringing up the $9million without acknowledging that the offer is still just the MLE, because that is how you troll.

If they don't match, then Portland (IMO) massively overpays for Utah's sloppy seconds.

And if Utah was willing to pay up to 90% of the MLE, we overpaid by ~10%. The point is, you don't know how much Utah was willing to pay (assuming they DON'T match) which means you can't make any realistic guesses as to how much we overpaid.

 

[OddEnormous]

He's just speculating.

What is it you're doing? As opposed to who?

I'm sure you'd understand if I regarded his speculation with greater regard over almost anyone else's in the city.

 

[OddEnormous]

If you don't know who he is then you haven't been paying attention.

Ed O.

You're right. I have not been paying attention to BlazerBoy31.

What am I missing? Has he been taking more deadly internet shots at bgrantfan?

Do tell. I'm on the edge of my seat.

I can only imagine the importance of someone who was wound up by someone he's never met starting a twitter account.

Hold on, hold on.... Is he Lee Iacoca?

how many guess do I get?

Is he Bono?

Wait, wait.... Stanford.... Dull as fuck.....

OH MY GOD!!!! IS HE TIGER WOODS!!???!!!???

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't understand why people are so caught up in overpaying Matthews. There have been many discussions on this board about how small market teams are fucked in the NBA, that Ptd in particualr is a not high on FA's list because of taxes and rain and whatever other bs people throw out.

I've always said those factors may matter to players, but "small mrkt no young kid wants to live in Ptd" has an ace in the hole . . . Paul Allen. PA gives players a reason to come to Ptd ($$$). If this is what it takes to get Matthews to sign a MLE with the Blazers over other teams wanting him, why are Blazer fans complaining about it.

We should be thankful we have an owner who can overpay players and make the Portland Trailbalzers an attractive organization to play for.

Hell I wish there was no salary cap . . . imagine what PA could offer Lebron, Wade and Bosh to play here.

 

[blazerboy30]

Don't worry. "Some boring guy nobody remembers" will always be yours.

Why the harshness? You immediately assume that your "interesting title" would have been a bad thing and then take a shot at me? Ouch.

If you need any help with the lack of self-esteem issues, let me know.

 

[EGame]

You're right. I have not been paying attention to BlazerBoy31.

What am I missing? Has he been taking more deadly internet shots at bgrantfan?

Do tell. I'm on the edge of my seat.

I can only imagine the importance of someone who was wound up by someone he's never met starting a twitter account.

Hold on, hold on.... Is he Lee Iacoca?

how many guess do I get?

Is he Bono?

Wait, wait.... Stanford.... Dull as fuck.....

OH MY GOD!!!! IS HE TIGER WOODS!!???!!!???

ummm, are you ok?

 

[OddEnormous]

Why the harshness? You immediately assume that your "interesting title" would have been a bad thing and then take a shot at me? Ouch.

If you need any help with the lack of self-esteem issues, let me know.

I've never said I was interesting.

Love your cliche "You must have self esteem issues" message board insult. It's SO 2002.


Remember when I started a twitter account? So do I.

 

[OddEnormous]

ummm, are you ok?

I'm fucking mega fella!

 

[Ed O]

What is it you're doing?

Are you asking if I'm speculating about him speculating? Or that I'm giving an opinion on his speculation. I don't know what you're asking.

As opposed to who?

Um. What?

I'm sure you'd understand if I regarded his speculation with greater regard over almost anyone else's in the city.

You can definitely trust whomever you care to, but in this case he was wrong about the timing of the signings, and you seem to be treating his speculation as established fact when he doesn't offer anything to back it up.

Ed O.

 

[OddEnormous]

Are you asking if I'm speculating about him speculating? Or that I'm giving an opinion on his speculation. I don't know what you're asking.



Um. What?



You can definitely trust whomever you care to, but in this case he was wrong about the timing of the signings, and you seem to be treating his speculation as established fact when he doesn't offer anything to back it up.

Ed O.

It's all speculation. Even if Lawrence Miller calls 95.5 today and says "Matthews was our #1 target all along." A quote we all hear with our own ears (Something you required earlier) it still doesn't make it so.

I'm more willing to listen to someone who has nothing to gain backed by their previous record.

If Ben was off this time than so be it. NEXT TIME I'd take that into consideration.

The first 2 names we all heard/read/etc were Farmar and Mason. Farmar himself had quotes as did Mason.

Edit: P.S. 2nd most views of any thread on the first page. #1 was started yesterday morning. This one late last night.

When are you going to start paying me?

 

[RR7]

I read Matthews 15 minutes after free agency started. That was about the first bit of information coming out that evening on who the Blazers were contacting.

 

[oldmangrouch]

If Matthews does end up here, he'd better produce immediately, because I'd have rather seen help at PG.

I agree with that - except that guys like Farmar and Ridnour are not exactly exciting options.

I am holding out hope that this signing means Rudy/Bayless/Williams will be traded for a decent PG. Of course, I also think Mathews will be a more than adequate back-up at SG, so what do I know!