Science We may have answered the Fermi Paradox: We are alone in the universe

[SlyPokerDog]

Alien life should be everywhere. The sheer abundance of stars in the universe (the number far outstrips the total number of grains of sand on every beach on Earth) suggests that, somewhere, an intelligent lifeform should be warming itself on a distant planet. Even if life evolves rarely, ET should be phoning.

Yet, by all appearances, humanity seems to be flying solo in our galaxy, and perhaps the universe. Many solutions have been proposed to solve this riddle, known as the Fermi Paradox. The aliens are hiding. They’ve entered suspended animation until more propitious conditions arise. A Great Filter makes the leap from “life “to “intelligent life” improbable, if not impossible. They’ve blown themselves up.

Researchers of Oxford University’s Future of Humanity Institute have another answer. It’s likely intelligent life doesn’t exist at all, outside of Earth.

In a paper submitted to the Proceedings of the Royal Society of London (it appeared online this month on the pre-publication site arXiv), the researchers write that there is “a substantial ex ante probability of there being no other intelligent life in our observable universe,” and we shouldn’t be surprised if we fail to detect any signs of it. In other words, there is no need to speculate about the fate of aliens. It’s likely they’ve never existed, they assert in the paper, titled “Dissolving the Fermi Paradox.”

The Fermi Paradox derives from a question reportedly posed by physicist Enrico Fermi during a 1950 lunch in the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the state of New Mexico. According to Scientific American, a group of scientists were discussing a New Yorker cartoon showing aliens emerging a spaceship, onto the streets of New York City. “Where is everyone?” Fermi asked. While he was likely questioning the possibility of interstellar travel, later accounts suggested he was casting doubt on the existence of extraterrestrials themselves, the magazine reports.

Scientists have been trying to answer Fermi’s question ever since. Many of the most rigorous attempts have built on a postulation known as the Drake equation. There are plenty of unknowns, but the equation suggests it’s plausible thousands of detectable alien civilizations could be roaming the Milky Way based on the probability of seven factors. The equation:

• N: total detectable alien civilizations in the Milky Way
• R∗: rate of star formation per year
• fp: fraction of stars with planets
• ne: Earth-like (or otherwise habitable) planets per system with planets
• fl: fraction of such planets with life
• fi: fraction with life that develop intelligence
• fc: fraction of intelligent civilizations that are detectable/contactable
• L: average longevity of such detectable civilizations

Previous estimates of the Drake equation have assigned a single number to those variables. The recent study sought to make a more informed guess. It relies on our latest knowledge of biology, chemistry, and cosmology, and uses a distribution of probabilities (a range) to capture the most likely scenarios, rather than assign a single value.

When they did, the researchers found that the possibility we’re alone in the galaxy is far higher than presumed given the truly gargantuan number of possible home planets. The authors assert that the chance humanity stands alone among intelligent civilizations in our galaxy is 53%–99.6%, and across the observable universe is 39%–85%.

Since the Fermi “paradox” exists only if we are confident alien civilizations are out there, this uncertainty suggests we may just be the lucky ones—thus, there is no such paradox. “We should not actually be all that surprised to see an empty galaxy,” the authors write. But don’t give up entirely. The Drake equation, at best, merely gives us a way to formalize what is still unknowable. It’s a big universe.

https://qz.com/1314111/we-may-have-answered-the-fermi-paradox-we-are-alone-in-the-universe/

 

[barfo]

This strikes me as the scientific equivalent of jerking off to a girdle ad.

I can get the same result much quicker: assume fc=0

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, We Haven't Solved The Drake Equation, The Fermi Paradox, Or Whether Humans Are Alone

In 1950, Enrico Fermi famously asked the question, "Where is everybody?" It wasn't because his retinas detached; it was because he was curious about the lack of visits by extraterrestrials. If life in the Universe is ubiquitous, the argument goes, then surely the signs of it should be everywhere? Over the past 60+ years, we've developed a number of possible explanations for this puzzle, known today as the Fermi Paradox.

On the surface, this seems like a reasonable question to ask. There are billions of stars in the galaxy, many of which have Earth-like planets, and if Earth is fairly typical, some of these may have developed intelligent life. Many of us on Earth are working to develop interstellar travel, and even though the galaxy is 100,000 light years across, we've been around for many billions of years. If life is common, then where is everyone? A new paper claims to have the answer, but their conclusions are highly suspect.

Clearly, if they're out there, they haven't shown up around these parts or left surefire signs of their existence. Our searches for alien civilizations — such as with giant radio dishes and projects like SETI — have all come up empty, with no signatures of an alien intelligence out there. UFOs are likely to have earthly explanations, not extraterrestrial ones. Exoplanetary searches, exemplified by NASA's Kepler mission, have turned up thousands of planets beyond Earth, many of which are Earth-like in size, teaching us that there are literally billions of chances for Earth-like life in our galaxy alone. Yet no life beyond Earth has ever been found; not on those worlds, nor on any of the other worlds in our Solar System.

Water, light, heat, organic molecules, and the ingredients for life are indeed everywhere. But aliens of any type have yet to show themselves. For all we have hard evidence for, Earth may be it for life in the entire Universe.

If that sounds pessimistic to you, or, as Carl Sagan put it, "an awful waste of space," you're not alone. Back in the early 1960s, Frank Drake put forth an equation that allowed us to make an estimate of the number of spacefaring, intelligent alien civilizations out there — in either our galaxy or the entire observable Universe — at any point in time. Although we knew very little about the various parameters in it, the Drake Equation is still used by many today to estimate the number of potential civilizations we can communicate with in space.

While we can make better estimates, today, of quantities like:

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  • the number of stars in each galaxy,
  • the number of galaxies in the Universe,
  • the fraction of stars that are like our Sun,
  • and the fraction of Sun-like stars with potentially habitable, Earth-sized planets,

there are still a few enormous unknowns that are out there.


In particular, there are a few steps that we simply don't know how frequently they occur. They clearly occurred here on Earth, but we haven't, as of yet, discovered anyplace else in the Universe where even one has occurred. These are the steps that lead us from non-living molecules to the complex, differentiated, intelligent species that we fancy ourselves to be.

This equates to two (in the Drake equation) unknowns that are absolutely necessary to reach the ultimate goal of intelligent aliens:

1. the likelihood of creating life from non-life on an Earth-like world,
2. and the likelihood of that life evolving into an intelligent, communicative, and possibly interstellar species.

In terms of raw probability, we have no idea how likely or unlikely these events are.

Sure, there are plenty of sensible things we can say about them. We can talk about the experiments we've done to create organic molecules from raw, inorganic ingredients. We can discuss the complex organic molecules we find in interstellar space or in meteorites. We can mention the tantalizing hints that worlds in our Solar System house about watery pasts, sub-surface liquid oceans, and potentially fossilized microbes. And we can look at the fact that, if we extrapolate the genetic information encoded in extant organisms back to the formation of the Earth, they indicate that what we consider "life" to be may have had its origin billions of years before our planet came into existence.

But none of that is reasonable for calculating a probability for the likelihood of life arising from non-life, given an Earth-like world. The odds may be extremely high, like a few percent, as some have estimated. But the odds could be catastrophically low: one-in-a-million, or even worse. Life could be incredibly rare. The fact that life exists on Earth does not mean we didn't win the cosmic lottery. We cannot draw a reasonable conclusion from a sample size of one.

And things get even worse if you try and extrapolate that second conditional probability: given life, what are the odds that it becomes intelligent, sentient, spacefaring and communicative across interstellar distances?

Again, we have a sample size of one. There are many steps that life took on Earth to bring us to this point, including mass extinctions, selection pressures, a changing environment, asteroid strikes, and much, much more. For over four billion years on this world, there was nothing we'd call "intelligent" by human standards. For over half a billion since the Cambrian explosion, it's only for the past 200,000 or so that a species-of-interest existed on Earth: less than 0.05% of that time. And remember: we are the great cosmic success story. We are the winners of the cosmic lottery.

The new paper that is getting a lot of buzz right now, by Anders Sandberg, Eric Drexler, and Toby Ord of Oxford, is titled Dissolving the Fermi Paradox, and their main argument is this:

Our main result is to show that proper treatment of scientific uncertainties dissolves the Fermi paradox by showing that it is not at all unlikely... for us to be alone in the Milky Way, or in the observable universe.

This is not a surprise to anyone who has thought about the consequences of drawing sweeping conclusions from a position of insufficient evidence and ignorance. If you haven't thought about it, the main results is that you probably shouldn't do it if you care about your conclusions being based in facts.

You cannot simply state, "here are my estimates for these quantities" and then calculate how many civilizations you expect. What are the probability ranges for your estimates? How robust are they? What evidence backs them up?

The answer is "none."

Despite the replacement of point estimates with probabilistic distributions, as the authors impose, there is still no evidence that we can say anything sensible about these likelihoods. In the absence of evidence, theorists aren't theorizing based on sound science; they're simply making numbers up. The authors state their methodology as such:

In this paper, we shall look at two different ways of extending this approach beyond a toy model — generating probability distributions for the parameters of the Drake equation based on the variation in historical estimates and doing so based on the authors’ best judgment of the scientific uncertainties for each parameter.

Unfortunately, this falls prey to what I call the first law of computer science: garbage in, garbage out. Historical estimates and the authors' judgments are no substitute for the data we need, and do not have.

No amount of fancy probabilistic analysis can justify treating guesswork and wishful thinking as having any sort of scientific weight. Applying scientific techniques to an inherently unscientific endeavor, such as inventing estimates to unknowns about the Universe, doesn't make it any more scientific. The opposite of knowledge isn't ignorance; it's the illusion of knowledge.

It's still possible that life, and even intelligent life, is ubiquitous in our galaxy and the Universe. It's also possible that one is common and one is uncommon, or that both are extraordinarily rare. Until we have more information, don't be fooled by the headlines: these aren't brilliant estimates or groundbreaking work. It's guessing, in the absence of any good evidence. That's no way to do science. In fact, until we have better evidence, it's not science at all.

Astrophysicist and author Ethan Siegel is the founder and primary writer of Starts With A Bang! His books, Treknology and Beyond The Galaxy, are available wherever books are sold.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/starts...umans-are-alone-in-the-universe/#45bc8c967d3b

 

[Cippy91]

We aren't alone Sly, fake news

 

[oldfisherman]

Some "estimates" of the number of planets in the universe is........
1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

I doubt ours is the only planet with some form of life.

The real problem is distance between planets. And the time it takes to space travel.

Until we, or another life form on another planet solves that problem. We will never know the real answer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I doubt ours is the only planet with some form of life.

The probability of life is very high. Intelligent life is another matter. We're a large meteor impact from dinosaurs still ruling the planet.

But there is a new and very real concern, and that concern is us. Whether intentional or unintentional we are the greatest threat to our own existence.

 

[oldfisherman]

The probability of life is very high. Intelligent life is another matter. We're a large meteor impact from dinosaurs still ruling the planet.

But there is a new and very real concern, and that concern is us. Whether intentional or unintentional we are the greatest threat to our own existence.

Agree, I'm convinced dog farts are going to wipe us out.

 

[barfo]

The probability of life is very high. Intelligent life is another matter. We're a large meteor impact from dinosaurs still ruling the planet.

But there is a new and very real concern, and that concern is us. Whether intentional or unintentional we are the greatest threat to our own existence.

Dinosaurs do still rule the planet. We just aren't aware of it because they are so much smarter than us.

barfo

 

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[riverman]

 

[oldfisherman]

Thanks for posting this video speeds. I had not seen it.

So the results are maybe 10 technical civilizations, but somewhere between zero and millions, in our galaxy.

There are about 10 trillion galaxies in the universe. We need a space force.

 

[Chris Craig]

Are we assuming we are intelligent?

 

[oldfisherman]

Are we assuming we are intelligent?

He did not count us, so guess not.

 

[Chris Craig]

The idea that a spaceship has come across the immense gulf of space, let alone the thousands of UFO's that have been reported is quite improbable. The space between star stystems is astronomical. Such a ship would require a drive that allowed it to fold space/open wormholes. We know Einstein has theorized about such things, but a civilization capable of such technology would have to be far far more advanced then ourselves. Why would they come all that way just to hover around and watch us? More probable would be these ships are us from the future coming back in time, or ships from an alternate Earth/reality\universe, that at some point has merged with our own. We have heard that our government has recovered what they deem extraterrestrial crafts and have back engineered them to produce the newest stealth jets. If so why haven't we been able to reproduce flying machines that manuever and fly as fast as some ufos that have seemed to defy physics? I remain openminded. The phenonenon of ufos and extraterrestrials intrigues me.

 

[riverman]

The idea that a spaceship has come across the immense gulf of space, let alone the thousands of UFO's that have been reported is quite improbable. The space between star stystems is astronomical. Such a ship would require a drive that allowed it to fold space/open wormholes. We know Einstein has theorized about such things, but a civilization capable of such technology would have to be far far more advanced then ourselves. Why would they come all that way just to hover around and watch us? More probable would be these ships are us from the future coming back in time, or ships from an alternate Earth/reality\universe, that at some point has merged with our own. We have heard that our government has recovered what they deem extraterrestrial crafts and have back engineered them to produce the newest stealth jets. If so why haven't we been able to reproduce flying machines that manuever and fly as fast as some ufos that have seemed to defy physics? I remain openminded. The phenonenon of ufos and extraterrestrials intrigues me.

The idea that intelligent extraterrestrial life could exist but our limited senses cannot detect them interests me....seems like our visual and audio comprehension might be unable to see or hear them ...religious folks definitely have that belief that some unseen life force is a part of their path.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm reading, The Presidents and UFOs, very enlightening.

 

[e_blazer]

I’m not even sure there’s intelligent life on this board, other than Sly and me. Not too sure about Sly.

 

[barfo]

The space between star stystems is astronomical.

Literally.

barfo

 

[riverman]

I’m not even sure there’s intelligent life on this board, other than Sly and me. Not too sure about Sly.

dog intelligence is like dog years...an IQ of 20 for a dog is counted as 140....I believe there is intelligent life amongst forum members but once logged on...it's a chance to throw all that out the window howl at the moon....sports and the inner Neanderthal.

 

[MarAzul]

If God's child were given a toy, call Earth and she create life here, there is hardly any reason to think she did it elsewhere.

 

[BonesJones]

If God's child were given a toy, call Earth and she create life here, there is hardly any reason to think she did it elsewhere.

I like baloney sandwiches too.

 

[theprunetang]

I like baloney sandwiches too.

Better slather some Miracle Whip on that bitch while you are at it.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

I like baloney sandwiches too.

Bones, how did you learn to speak for the first time? Simplest answer you can think of.

 

[Lanny]

Alien life should be everywhere. The sheer abundance of stars in the universe (the number far outstrips the total number of grains of sand on every beach on Earth) suggests that, somewhere, an intelligent lifeform should be warming itself on a distant planet. Even if life evolves rarely, ET should be phoning.

Yet, by all appearances, humanity seems to be flying solo in our galaxy, and perhaps the universe. Many solutions have been proposed to solve this riddle, known as the Fermi Paradox. The aliens are hiding. They’ve entered suspended animation until more propitious conditions arise. A Great Filter makes the leap from “life “to “intelligent life” improbable, if not impossible. They’ve blown themselves up.

Researchers of Oxford University’s Future of Humanity Institute have another answer. It’s likely intelligent life doesn’t exist at all, outside of Earth.

In a paper submitted to the Proceedings of the Royal Society of London (it appeared online this month on the pre-publication site arXiv), the researchers write that there is “a substantial ex ante probability of there being no other intelligent life in our observable universe,” and we shouldn’t be surprised if we fail to detect any signs of it. In other words, there is no need to speculate about the fate of aliens. It’s likely they’ve never existed, they assert in the paper, titled “Dissolving the Fermi Paradox.”

The Fermi Paradox derives from a question reportedly posed by physicist Enrico Fermi during a 1950 lunch in the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the state of New Mexico. According to Scientific American, a group of scientists were discussing a New Yorker cartoon showing aliens emerging a spaceship, onto the streets of New York City. “Where is everyone?” Fermi asked. While he was likely questioning the possibility of interstellar travel, later accounts suggested he was casting doubt on the existence of extraterrestrials themselves, the magazine reports.

Scientists have been trying to answer Fermi’s question ever since. Many of the most rigorous attempts have built on a postulation known as the Drake equation. There are plenty of unknowns, but the equation suggests it’s plausible thousands of detectable alien civilizations could be roaming the Milky Way based on the probability of seven factors. The equation:

• N: total detectable alien civilizations in the Milky Way
• R∗: rate of star formation per year
• fp: fraction of stars with planets
• ne: Earth-like (or otherwise habitable) planets per system with planets
• fl: fraction of such planets with life
• fi: fraction with life that develop intelligence
• fc: fraction of intelligent civilizations that are detectable/contactable
• L: average longevity of such detectable civilizations

Previous estimates of the Drake equation have assigned a single number to those variables. The recent study sought to make a more informed guess. It relies on our latest knowledge of biology, chemistry, and cosmology, and uses a distribution of probabilities (a range) to capture the most likely scenarios, rather than assign a single value.

When they did, the researchers found that the possibility we’re alone in the galaxy is far higher than presumed given the truly gargantuan number of possible home planets. The authors assert that the chance humanity stands alone among intelligent civilizations in our galaxy is 53%–99.6%, and across the observable universe is 39%–85%.

Since the Fermi “paradox” exists only if we are confident alien civilizations are out there, this uncertainty suggests we may just be the lucky ones—thus, there is no such paradox. “We should not actually be all that surprised to see an empty galaxy,” the authors write. But don’t give up entirely. The Drake equation, at best, merely gives us a way to formalize what is still unknowable. It’s a big universe.

https://qz.com/1314111/we-may-have-answered-the-fermi-paradox-we-are-alone-in-the-universe/

I once did a rough "back of an envelope" calculation and came up with a probability that the chance of life elsewhere, especially intelligent life, was practically zero.

I really enjoy science fiction but in the end I realize that's just what it is, fiction.

 

[riverman]

If God's child were given a toy, call Earth and she create life here,

So God's child's toy is a woman?

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

So........just because we haven’t seen concrete proof/they haven’t revealed themselves to us means that they likely don’t exist??? Maybe I’m just plain stupid (very possible) but......in a universe as vast as ours (we really have absolutely no idea how big it is) isn’t it possible there are life forms similar to us (maybe numerous “colonies”) existing somewhere just as we are? Going about their existence as we are, stuck on their own planet just as we are, seeking evidence of life in the universe and not finding it just as we have done so far? As @Chris Craig pointed out, traveling through the vast reaches of space takes technology we are nowhere near producing. Maybe other civilizations lack that kind of science also. We seem to be hung up on the idea that it’s up to other life forms to find us in order to prove they exist. Maybe it’s the other way around. And just because we haven’t found what constitutes proof within our realm of understanding doesn’t mean that proof......or other life forms.....don’t exist. Okay, now my head really hurts from all that thinking........

 

[Lanny]

So........just because we haven’t seen concrete proof/they haven’t revealed themselves to us means that they likely don’t exist??? Maybe I’m just plain stupid (very possible) but......in a universe as vast as ours (we really have absolutely no idea how big it is) isn’t it possible there are life forms similar to us (maybe numerous “colonies”) existing somewhere just as we are? Going about their existence as we are, stuck on their own planet just as we are, seeking evidence of life in the universe and not finding it just as we have done so far? As @Chris Craig pointed out, traveling through the vast reaches of space takes technology we are nowhere near producing. Maybe other civilizations lack that kind of science also. We seem to be hung up on the idea that it’s up to other life forms to find us in order to prove they exist. Maybe it’s the other way around. And just because we haven’t found what constitutes proof within our realm of understanding doesn’t mean that proof......or other life forms.....don’t exist. Okay, now my head really hurts from all that thinking........

Look at all the factors you've gotta have to have life.
1. You've gotta have sufficient iron in the core to provide a magnetic shield to ward off the deadly radiation from your nearby star;
2. You've got to be rotating at a sufficient rate for the iron core to provide a magnetic field to ward off the radiation;
3. This happened when the Earth was struck at just the right angle by another planetoid that had a large amount of iron that combined with the Earth's iron. The Earth had to be molten hot for the iron to sink to the center;
4. Your planet has to be within the Goldilocks zone;
5. You've got to be bombarded by enough water molecules to create oceans and lakes and rivers;
6. Your planet must be made up of material from third or fourth generation stars;
7. It takes a while for life to be generated;
8. It also takes a while for your planet to cool off so life has a chance of a foothold.

I'm sure there are others that I've forgotten. I made my back of an envelope calculation ten or maybe more years ago.

Nope, even calculating all the known and theorized material in the Universe there is not a significant chance of life developing anywhere.

We're almost assuredly alone so we'd better quit screwing the place up and take care of things if life is to survive and spread.

 

[Chris Craig]

I've done it. I have created an equation to measure intelligence on this forum



N: total detectable posters in the S2 forum.
R*: rate of thread formation per day.
fp: fraction of threads with intelligent posts
ne: participating posters per thread with posts.
fl: fraction of such posters with intelligence
fi: fraction with responses that develop insightful conversations.
fc: fraction of intelligent conversations that are detectable/maintainable.
L: average longeivity of such detectable conversations.

 

[Lanny]

I've done it. I have created an equation to measure intelligence on this forum

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N: total detectable posters in the S2 forum.
R*: rate of thread formation per day.
fp: fraction of threads with intelligent posts
ne: participating posters per thread with posts.
fl: fraction of such posters with intelligence
fi: fraction with responses that develop insightful conversations.
fc: fraction of intelligent conversations that are detectable/maintainable.
L: average longeivity of such detectable conversations.

Resolving this equation yields N = Bull Shit

 

[MarAzul]

Okay, now my head really hurts from all that thinking..

It's alright! No need to worry.

Can you find Maddox Woods at the North end of River St. I will be in sight there. Either that or on the other side of the river at the dock at the park when I contact you.
Probably into August now.