We need length

[PCmor7]

I still see zero reasons why you don’t think he has any upside besides because I said so. As for Hoard, he plays like a five and is built like a three. Not a good combo. Almost all his buckets in the g league games I watched came around the rim on pure effort. That’s not really gonna work in the nba with his frame. There’s a reason why he’s not even on a two way contract. Could the entire league be missing something you’ve identified? Possibly, but not likely.

Your seeing zero reasons because you don't want to see them is your problem, Scalma, not mine. Same as me caring what you think of my opinion or my qualifications to evaluate his chances. Same as you intentionally misrepresenting my mentioning Hoard when I explained it twice.

Elleby's slow. His size to play the 3 is average at best. He was not a good pick-and-roll guy at Washington State, so he either needs to develop that with his athletic deficiencies or he needs someone to set him up for his shot. If it's the latter, he needs to be able to move without the ball, be set up and be killer knocking down open shots. His shooting percentage when closely guarded in college was low, and it you watch him play now, you can see why: he's got a funky shooting form and he's not physically strong. He's can dribble, but he's not shown to be a guy who can set up teammates to score. He needs to jump off two feet. He can't get separation with defenders. Defensively, he's a liability.

Don't believe me? Look at his evaluations coming into the draft. It's not just me saying this. It was pretty much everyone. He was considered a reach by the Blazers and quite likely a guy who wouldn't be drafted.

Don't believe that? Did he perform well in the preseason? Did the Blazers give him a chance to even get a taste of minutes when the game was still in doubt even with all of the injuries?

That brings me to the biggest thing of all: This team went as close to going all-in as Neil Olshey was going to go. They traded two first-round draft picks for a complementary player. That's a desperation move. It's a move you make because you think you are this close to playing for a title. You're betting your future on Robert Covington covering your deficiencies.

From that perspective alone, reaching for a kid who lacks realistic upside and isn't going to be in your rotation especially when you lack healthy depth inside isn't sensible.

Oh, and BTW, going back to your stats like PER for Elleby as support for his ability, I checked. Did you know what his PER ranking is this year? 200th. Know who's second? Moses Brown.

Seriously, if you have an irrational love for the kid or maybe a tie to the kid, that's great. Super for you. But don't throw out your reason at the door because someone who is realistic doesn't have your same brand of rose-colored glasses. He's a Blazer and I'd love to see him succeed because of that, but I'm not going to be such a homer that I think the guy can be more than an end-of-the-bench guy in the NBA. I saw him in college and I've watched him in the pros and I just don't see him making a difference without an abnormal amount of improvement.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We need Defense!

(Not just players who play defense, we actually need to play defense as a team)

 

[boredinsalem]

I honestly thought Sly’s sister started this thread!

that is a good one, but it turns out I am actually your father you little bastard

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Let's get some Blazers length!
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[Mediocre Man]

I’ll take things Mrs. HCP said on her wedding night for $500, Alex

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How isn't Elleby a waste of a roster spot ... and an asset in the second-round draft pick?

Could Elleby make a positive difference for the Blazers if we had to play him? Does he have any upside? I don't see any.

Would it be fair to say Elleby made a positive difference against the 6ers?

 

[PCmor7]

Would it be fair to say Elleby made a positive difference against the 6ers?

Of course.

 

[PCmor7]

Would it be fair to say Elleby made a positive difference against the 6ers?

BTW ... I loooooooove when staff members and global mods go back and pick and choose old posts to try to take shots at forum members, especially when they were ghosts during the original discussions. You didn't see me saying anything to Scalma or about Elleby after the previous game. Yet suddenly here you are.

Bush league. But I guess some people have to do stuff like this to feel good about themselves. Maybe next time you can man up and express an opinion beforehand, and we can all go back and evaluate your posts.

 

[Scalma]

BTW ... I loooooooove when staff members and global mods go back and pick and choose old posts to try to take shots at forum members, especially when they were ghosts during the original discussions. You didn't see me saying anything to Scalma or about Elleby after the previous game. Yet suddenly here you are.

Bush league. But I guess some people have to do stuff like this to feel good about themselves. Maybe next time you can man up and express an opinion beforehand, and we can all go back and evaluate your posts.

So do you still believe the scouting report you came up with or not? You still think he’s a defensive liability and a waste of a roster spot?

 

[PCmor7]

So do you still believe the scouting report you came up with or not? You still think he’s a defensive liability and a waste of a roster spot?

I believe it's one game and he played well and we won and I'm going to enjoy it.

I'm not going to judge him on one game any more than I was going to come in here and pound my chest to you the previous game and said "I told you so. Are you willing to admit you are wrong?"

If he proves me wrong, fantastic. If I'm proven right, it's no big deal.

Fair?

BTW, it's amazing to me that a mod who wasn't involved in the original exchange has to come in here and post something to support you and bring you back into the discussion at a time convenient to you three days later. Probably just a coincidence ....

 

[Pinwheel1]

BTW ... I loooooooove when staff members and global mods go back and pick and choose old posts to try to take shots at forum members, especially when they were ghosts during the original discussions. You didn't see me saying anything to Scalma or about Elleby after the previous game. Yet suddenly here you are.

Bush league. But I guess some people have to do stuff like this to feel good about themselves. Maybe next time you can man up and express an opinion beforehand, and we can all go back and evaluate your posts.

Personally, I love when that happens. When someone makes stupid and/or premature posts about players, they need to be mocked. It is the only way they will improve as a poster.

 

[PCmor7]

Personally, I love when that happens. When someone makes stupid and/or premature posts about players, they need to be mocked. It is the only way they will improve as a poster.

Good for you. I guess if Elleby plays badly the next time I can come and mock you and Scalma and Platypus. Except, I'm not going to do that, and I'm also not going to be the one on a public message board evaluating posters on who needs to improve and who doesn't.

BTW, were you here taking a stand on this earlier this week or are you just coming out of the woodwork now, too?

EDIT: You were here. My apologies for implying you weren't.

 

[Scalma]

I believe it's one game and he played well and we won and I'm going to enjoy it.

I'm not going to judge him on one game any more than I was going to come in here and pound my chest to you the previous game and said "I told you so. Are you willing to admit you are wrong?"

If he proves me wrong, fantastic. If I'm proven right, it's no big deal.

Fair?

BTW, it's amazing to me that a mod who wasn't involved in the original exchange has to come in here and post something to support you and bring you back into the discussion at a time convenient to you three days later. Probably just a coincidence ....

But you’ll judge him in mop minutes and the preseason instead? And it’s now the second time you brought up his little 10 second stint from Tuesday. That’s definitely something one does when they’re NOT judging.

 

[PCmor7]

But you’ll judge him in mop minutes and the preseason instead? And it’s now the second time you brought up his little 10 second stint from Tuesday. That’s definitely something one does when they’re NOT judging.

I brought up the 10-second stint from Tuesday twice in response to things that were being said about me today because you are riding high on Elleby's good game last night. Don't lie and make it seem like I was in here after that 10-second stint dragging you and Elleby when it happened because I wasn't. It was a bad moment for him but I'm not evaluating his potential on one bad moment.

As for the first part of your post, no, I obviously did not judge him on mop up time alone. There's a whoooooole long post above where I explained my rationale.

Now, you and Platypus can go and DM each other and talk about how you got me, since this really looks like this was a coordinated effort to take a shot at another Blazer fan when the opportunity presented itself.

Congrats. You are amazing people. Go have a drink on me.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Good for you. I guess if Elleby plays badly the next time I can come and mock you and Scalma and Platypus. Except, I'm not going to do that, and I'm also not going to be the one on a public message board evaluating posters on who needs to improve and who doesn't.

BTW, were you here taking a stand on this earlier this week or are you just coming out of the woodwork now, too?

EDIT: You were here. My apologies for implying you weren't.

You can mock me but to be clear, I don't think he will be consistent for a while. Of course, he will have some horrible games, he is a rookie who has only played in a handful of games. A rookie who had no summer league or offseason to learn. He also needs to add about 10 lbs and get used to the NBA 3 pt line. What can I say, I have a pet peeve about fans who are too quick to slam a young player before he has even had a chance. I don't expect CJE to be a starter, and he has a long way to even be a consistent role player but he needs at least a year before we write him off. Not 10 games.

 

[Scalma]

I brought up the 10-second stint from Tuesday twice in response to things that were being said about me today because you are riding high on Elleby's good game last night. Don't lie and make it seem like I was in here after that 10-second stint dragging you and Elleby when it happened because I wasn't. It was a bad moment for him but I'm not evaluating his potential on one bad moment.

As for the first part of your post, no, I obviously did not judge him on mop up time alone. There's a whoooooole long post above where I explained my rationale.

Now, you and Platypus can go and DM each other and talk about how you got me, since this really looks like this was a coordinated effort to take a shot at another Blazer fan when the opportunity presented itself.

Congrats. You are amazing people. Go have a drink on me.

I asked a legit question, and instead of just answering it, you get all defensive to the point of accusing posters of coordinating against you. Maybe relax?

 

[PCmor7]

You can mock me but to be clear, I don't think he will be consistent for a while. Of course, he will have some horrible games, he is a rookie who has only played in a handful of games. A rookie who had no summer league or offseason to learn. He also needs to add about 10 lbs and get used to the NBA 3 pt line. What can I say, I have a pet peeve about fans who are too quick to slam a young player before he has even had a chance. I don't expect CJE to be a starter, and he has a long way to even be a consistent role player but he needs at least a year before we write him off. Not 10 games.

OK. And that's fair. It's a reasonable opinion. Would have been nice for you to have stated it when we had the original discussion instead of piling on now. but I wouldn't disagree with you. I just have reasons for seeing Elleby as an even greater long shot than you do, and I expressed those reasons more thoroughly than I probably should have needed to because apparently his biggest fan is in this thread.

I'm still not going to mock you. TBH, I thought this discussion was done until a guy with buttons who wasn't part of it suddenly decided to revive it for no apparent reason, still didn't add anything to the discussion, and left.

 

[PCmor7]

I asked a legit question, and instead of just answering it, you get all defensive to the point of accusing posters of coordinating against you. Maybe relax?

It's not being defensive, it's being irritated. And I answered all of your questions whether legit or not Tuesday and today.

Actually, I answered Platypus' question for you. I don't know, are you saying you're Platypus, too?

We both said what we had to say on Tuesday, and that was that. Suddenly a third party, a guy with buttons no less, is reviving the conversation three days later after a big Blazer win. He wasn't part of the discussion three days ago. He wasn't here questioning you about Elleby when Elleby didn't play well the other night and I was silent. Heck, he didn't even say if he agrees with either of us now. He just throws a grenade into a crowd and leaves. Some moderation.

And then, right after I reply to him, you suddenly are back into the discussion again, looking for validation. You weren't tagged or anything. At 7 a.m. Pacific time the night after a big win.

Seems sus. I mean, what are the odds of that?

On top of it, I noticed you didn't deny it, either. Instead, you're saying I'm defensive for bringing it up. Wonder whyyyyyyyyyyyy .......

 

[PCmor7]

Are you thinking this is going to be one of these things where we are obligated to respond to everything Elleby does from here on out to display our vast knowledge? Because I'm seriously not going to be coming into random threads calling you out every time C.J. Elleby pulls a "DNP -- coach's decision" or is a minus-5 in a minute. I don't have the time for that.

If that's what you need to do, though, I mean, I guess if it makes you happy, Scalma, live it up.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

cj2 is not a valuable asset right now. However, I have hopes that that will change. I was very encouraged with him last game.

 

[Scalma]

It's not being defensive, it's being irritated. And I answered all of your questions whether legit or not Tuesday and today.

Actually, I answered Platypus' question for you. I don't know, are you saying you're Platypus, too?

We both said what we had to say on Tuesday, and that was that. Suddenly a third party, a guy with buttons no less, is reviving the conversation three days later after a big Blazer win. He wasn't part of the discussion three days ago. He wasn't here questioning you about Elleby when Elleby didn't play well the other night and I was silent. Heck, he didn't even say if he agrees with either of us now. He just throws a grenade into a crowd and leaves. Some moderation.

And then, right after I reply to him, you suddenly are back into the discussion again, looking for validation. You weren't tagged or anything. At 7 a.m. Pacific time the night after a big win.

Seems sus. I mean, what are the odds of that?

On top of it, I noticed you didn't deny it, either. Instead, you're saying I'm defensive for bringing it up. Wonder whyyyyyyyyyyyy .......

Are you thinking this is going to be one of these things where we are obligated to respond to everything Elleby does from here on out to display our vast knowledge? Because I'm seriously not going to be coming into random threads calling you out every time C.J. Elleby pulls a "DNP -- coach's decision" or is a minus-5 in a minute. I don't have the time for that.

If that's what you need to do, though, I mean, I guess if it makes you happy, Scalma, live it up.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

BTW ... I loooooooove when staff members and global mods go back and pick and choose old posts to try to take shots at forum members, especially when they were ghosts during the original discussions. You didn't see me saying anything to Scalma or about Elleby after the previous game. Yet suddenly here you are.

Bush league. But I guess some people have to do stuff like this to feel good about themselves. Maybe next time you can man up and express an opinion beforehand, and we can all go back and evaluate your posts.

I'm sorry it came across that way. I actually just happened to be reading through that thread for the first time last night, and found the discussion juxtaposed with the game interesting. My intention was not at all to "take shots" at you at all; was more curious whether that game might have caused you to reevaluate your opinion of him.

Again, I apologize for posting in such a manner that came off that way. Was not my intention to be anything but respectful.

 

[PCmor7]

I'm sorry it came across that way. I actually just happened to be reading through that thread for the first time last night, and found the discussion juxtaposed with the game interesting. My intention was not at all to "take shots" at you at all; was more curious whether that game might have caused you to reevaluate your opinion of him.

Again, I apologize for posting in such a manner that came off that way. Was not my intention to be anything but respectful.

No problem. I apologize for making it such a direction of the discussion.

I'm happy he stepped up when he got the opportunity. I hope he keeps doing it, because it would be found gold, and I'm more than willing to look bad if the team wins. For me, it has to be a consistent thing. One really good performance or one really bad performance doesn't alter things. It's the pattern. He did show me things in his game last night that I honestly didn't think he had. I just need to see him keep that up, and I'll gladly take my crow with tomato sauce and turmeric.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No problem. I apologize for making it such a direction of the discussion.

I'm happy he stepped up when he got the opportunity. I hope he keeps doing it, because it would be found gold, and I'm more than willing to look bad if the team wins. For me, it has to be a consistent thing. One really good performance or one really bad performance doesn't alter things. It's the pattern. He did show me things in his game last night that I honestly didn't think he had. I just need to see him keep that up, and I'll gladly take my crow with tomato sauce and turmeric.

He's just got a very strange game, and I don't know what to make of him. Like sometimes he's battling with D-Ho for offensive boards, and then he's running point, and then he's in an opponent's passing lane...and he doesn't really look like he's doing anything particularly well, but is somehow effective.

He confuses me.

 

[THE HCP]

I'll say it. We couldn't get a 2nd round pick for him right now if we tried.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I'll say it. We couldn't get a 2nd round pick for him right now if we tried.

Are you not getting enough attention lately?

 

[PCmor7]

He's just got a very strange game, and I don't know what to make of him. Like sometimes he's battling with D-Ho for offensive boards, and then he's running point, and then he's in an opponent's passing lane...and he doesn't really look like he's doing anything particularly well, but is somehow effective.

He confuses me.

I think they envision him as something of a poor man's Nic Batum. Not as athletic, but maybe with more upside as a consistent outside shooter/scorer.

The thing is he's still 3 inches shorter than Batum and I think playing with a quickness disadvantage is probably the worst liability to have to overcome in the NBA. I've become a bit prejudiced to guys who are light on their feet, and I still don't see that from him.

What I liked more than anything in the Philly game was he was willing to scrap and do the dirty, little stuff, just stick his nose in there and try to make things happen. Kind of the anti-Ant, who I think slumped because he was overthinking but has all kinds of athletic upside that he hasn't even come close to exploring.

 

[PCmor7]

Are you not getting enough attention lately?

Who are you talking to?

 

[jlprk]

Who are you talking to?

You must be one of the dozens who can't see HCP quotes. HCP recently requested that Sly list everyone who has him on Ignore, which Sly did, but HCP of course can't read them so he doesn't know.

 

[PCmor7]

You must be one of the dozens who can't see HCP quotes. HCP recently requested that Sly list everyone who has him on Ignore, which Sly did, but HCP of course can't read them so he doesn't know.

Why do you bring this up now when I'm trying to eat?