We NEED To Consolidate!

[Minstrel]

1) Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon, Marc Gasol and 2 late 20's picks.
2) Ray Allen for Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and Jeff Green.
3) Mo Williams for Luke Ridnour, Damon Jones and Adrian Griffin (Bucks' side of the trade)
4) Richard Jefferson for Yi and Bobby Simmons.
5) 3M and a trade exception for James Jones and Rudy.
6) Kurt Thomas and 2 #1 picks for a trade exception

Do you want me to go back farther than the last year? Money is a REALLY big player in trades. But I guess I'm the batshit one, not NBA GMs.

7) Marcus Camby for a swap of second round picks.

That also fits nicely into the last year of examples.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Nice! Thanks for the assist, Minstrel.

(BTW...are you more like the "troubadour"-type musical minstrel, or like Chaucer from Knight's Tale?)

 

[Minstrel]

(BTW...are you more like the "troubadour"-type musical minstrel, or like Chaucer from Knight's Tale?)

Hmm, I'd say a combination. My recollection is that Chaucer's minstrel was a story-telling entertainer, while troubadours compose songs and poems. My image of a minstrel is a wandering musician/poet/story-teller/philosopher.

 

[hasoos]

Losing to Utah without their star point guard is to be expected?

At the same time, were down 2 players as well, and one of them is named Greg Oden. Folks may look at it with your view, but the way I look at it, we were down 2 big pieces as well, so it was probably a pretty evenly matched game.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

1) Pau Gasol for Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon, Marc Gasol and 2 late 20's picks.
2) Ray Allen for Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West and Jeff Green.
3) Mo Williams for Luke Ridnour, Damon Jones and Adrian Griffin (Bucks' side of the trade)
4) Richard Jefferson for Yi and Bobby Simmons.
5) 3M and a trade exception for James Jones and Rudy.
6) Kurt Thomas and 2 #1 picks for a trade exception

Do you want me to go back farther than the last year? Money is a REALLY big player in trades. But I guess I'm the batshit one, not NBA GMs.

You're not in a situation where you will be big FA players in the next two years. In 3 years, when most of your young players need raises, Carter expires.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Aldridge/Bayless/Outlaw/pick for Parker/Mahinmi

*ducks*

 

[BrianFromWA]

Then sign McDyess after Denver cuts him?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Then sign McDyess after Denver cuts him?

I'm one-step ahead of you, buddy.

I'd look to sign David Lee this summer.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm one-step ahead of you, buddy.

I'd look to sign David Lee this summer.

You know ... I really like Aldridge and overall as a shooter and defender I think he's a superior talent to David Lee, and I'm still not a huge fan of Lee's shooting ... but ... yeah I wouldn't mind seeing that

 

[Ed O]

You're not in a situation where you will be big FA players in the next two years. In 3 years, when most of your young players need raises, Carter expires.

We will be a big FA player within two years if we don't make any trades... Portland is going to have a shitload of cap space this summer... especially if Miles doesn't get into 10 games this year.

It just might make sense for Portland to use Raef (who represents a big chunk of the cap space we'll have) proactively, rather than going into the summer with cap space.

Not sure how any of this impacts what we would have to give up for Vince (or anyone else), however.

Ed O.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Sergio and Travis to NY for Lee. Option two Travis and Frye for Wilcox.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I really agree about the benefits of a move to bring in a vet on his way out into the team. While others say they don't fit as "pieces" I really disagree as 2 inexperienced guys develop way better with 3 vets on the floor to give them pointers rather than 4 inexperienced guys looking to one young leader. The trick is to bring in a vet who doesn't want to necessarily take over a team so much as help it out. I really think PG is the position we need help with, and I love the thought of consolidating in order to get more playing time for the guys I really want to develop personally.

Nash would be awesome, a pipedream but awesome nonetheless. How about this one (assuming things aren't going well in PHX in a month)...

Phoenix Suns
Incoming Players
Ike Diogu
Hakim Warrick
Jerryd Bayless
Raef LaFrentz
Steve Blake

Outgoing Players: Boris Diaw, Steve Nash, Grant Hill

They obviously forfeit a title pursuit but bring in a lot of young talent to help surround Amare with and (more importantly) save over thirty million in the long run. Not fair value wise but I could see their owner biting on something like this, and Bayless is a local boy.

Portland Trail Blazers
Incoming Players

Steve Nash
Grant Hill
Darko Milicic
Outgoing Players: Ike Diogu, Jerryd Bayless, Raef LaFrentz, Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw

We give up a lot but really Bayless is the only player with potential to make a big impact for us in the future and we take the gamble that the short gains in stability and open playing time that Nash and Hill gives us pays off for our guys learning how to cut w/o the ball, feed the post, and gained playoff experience. Even if they both walk at the end of their deals we've developed our guys better I believe.
Nash/Roy/Hill/Aldridge/Oden backups Sergio/Rudy/Webster/Frye/Pryz next year insert Batum for Hill

Memphis Grizzlies
Incoming Players
Boris Diaw
Travis Outlaw
Outgoing Players: Hakim Warrick, Darko Milicic

Memphis brings in a little in salary (in year three) with Diaw but gets a couple of guys who help their team direction more and take a gamble overall that could pay off bigtime in an up-tempo system.

 

[magnifier661]

Can someone explain to me another young team that, without veteran presence that had won anything, learned to win the right way on their own?

I can't recall off the top of my head. But I think there's much more value in a short-term rental like Nash or, dare I say it, Kidd (and of course Parker) as our starting PG. I think Sergio and Bayless/Koponen could be groomed for it in a couple years. I think just about everyone in here underestimates how much we need a veteran PG who Nate knows is better than he was who's won something to help this team out.

And Batum needs not only to start, but to play crunch time. Our problems in crunch time aren't not having enough shooters on the floor, but of not having a lot of people who do "dirty work" at the end of the games. It's why I wanted Przy on the floor at the end of games last year. It's why I think Przy and Batum should be on the floor now. Rudy/Outlaw and Roy and LMA are plenty of offense...bring in Travis offense/defense if you want...but yesterday there wasn't anyone there to rebound Rudy's wide-open miss. There wasn't anyone collecting the Jazz misses during the 4th quarter. When LMA is your great rebounding hope ('cuz let's face it...Blake, Roy, Frye and Outlaw aren't sniffing close to the hoop at all--and Rudy's outside waiting for the 3--at the end of the game), something is way wrong.

I think a less-intrusive consolidation is required. Look at what the market dictates for Frye, Blake, Diogu and Raef. Definitely keep one of the Bayless/Sergio combo, though I'd give up Bayless first since I imagine he has much more value, and Sergio can turn into a really good distribution PG.

Nash first. Then Kidd. But I think that's what we need to target. Moreso than the Harris types.

Crazy thought...could D-Wade play PG for our team?

Boy I always believed I had high value homerism on the Blazer players. This topped the cake!!!! (Considering when this was typed)

 

[BrianFromWA]

I don't see a ton I don't still stand behind. Nash or Kidd in 2008-2010 would've been way better for us than someone like Harris. I still think Sergio is a better PG than Bayless. I still think Batum (when he can bend his wrist fully to shoot) should be on the floor in crunch time. I still think Outlaw didn't/doesn't sniff out rebounds. I think 2008 LMA wasn't a stellar offensive rebounder (especially by himself). When we got Andre Miller (a vet PG) it helped the team out a lot, except that (like I said) Nate didn't think the Professor was good enough and started Blake over him.

Raef had value (could've at the LEAST gotten Vince Carter), Frye had value, Bayless had value.

And while I think Wade might've been able to play PG (really, just a ball-handling guard with Roy) you would've had similar problems to when he and LBJ teamed up in 2010. Overcome-able, but still some issues to start.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't see a ton I don't still stand behind. Nash or Kidd in 2008-2010 would've been way better for us than someone like Harris. I still think Sergio is a better PG than Bayless. I still think Batum (when he can bend his wrist fully to shoot) should be on the floor in crunch time. I still think Outlaw didn't/doesn't sniff out rebounds. I think 2008 LMA wasn't a stellar offensive rebounder (especially by himself). When we got Andre Miller (a vet PG) it helped the team out a lot, except that (like I said) Nate didn't think the Professor was good enough and started Blake over him.

Raef had value (could've at the LEAST gotten Vince Carter), Frye had value, Bayless had value.

And while I think Wade might've been able to play PG (really, just a ball-handling guard with Roy) you would've had similar problems to when he and LBJ teamed up in 2010. Overcome-able, but still some issues to start.

Oh I agree. Everyone you wanted would have made us much better!

Have you ever looked back a few years and hindsight your thoughts? I think it's fun!