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[Natebishop3]

Philly did trade one of the best young PG's in the league for the opportunity to gamble on the injured Noel. So I am guessing that a Hawes for CJ trade is not out of the question.

I would not want the Blazers to do it though.

It just seems very short sighted to me. If we're going to make a trade, it has to be something that makes sense long term, especially if CJ goes out, or Robinson.

 

[Natebishop3]

I like Trob and agree with a possible bright future, I do not feel the same about Meyers

Sorry, I meant CJ, not Meyers.

 

[Blazinaway]

It just seems very short sighted to me. If we're going to make a trade, it has to be something that makes sense long term, especially if CJ goes out, or Robinson.

keep in mind Hawes is only 25 or 26 I believe and is a PNW guy, if we could sign him after this yr for a reasonable deal he and RoLo with be a great C tandem IMO

 

[Natebishop3]

keep in mind Hawes is only 25 or 26 I believe and is a PNW guy, if we could sign him after this yr for a reasonable deal he and RoLo with be a great C tandem IMO

You are right, he's only 25, but he's going to get paid this summer. He's averaging 16 and 9 with 1.7 blocks and almost a 20 PER. He's a really good player, but I get the feeling we would have to send out a lot of talent to get him. Does he start over Lopez? This could really fuck up our chemistry.

 

[Blazinaway]

You are right, he's only 25, but he's going to get paid this summer. He's averaging 16 and 9 with 1.7 blocks and almost a 20 PER. He's a really good player, but I get the feeling we would have to send out a lot of talent to get him. Does he start over Lopez? This could really fuck up our chemistry.

does it really matter who starts? they both get good minutes and with Hawes offense ability in some situations he could play with Rolo. IMO he's a great fit on this team

 

[Natebishop3]

does it really matter who starts? they both get good minutes and with Hawes offense ability in some situations he could play with Rolo. IMO he's a great fit on this team

Because when you have two starting quality centers, you run into the same problem that Houston is dealing with right now. It can be a sticky situation. Do you play Hawes as the backup power forward?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Because when you have two starting quality centers, you run into the same problem that Houston is dealing with right now. It can be a sticky situation. Do you play Hawes as the backup power forward?

I could see Lopez and Hawes playing together. Howard and Asik aren't at all complementary.

 

[Blazinaway]

Because when you have two starting quality centers, you run into the same problem that Houston is dealing with right now. It can be a sticky situation. Do you play Hawes as the backup power forward?

sorry but IMO you can't compare Dwight and Asik to Rolo and Asik, I think you check with Rolo if he'd be happy with 20-25 min per game and Hawes with 25-35 (some of LMA's backup minutes)

 

[Natebishop3]

sorry but IMO you can't compare Dwight and Asik to Rolo and Asik, I think you check with Rolo if he'd be happy with 20-25 min per game and Hawes with 25-35 (some of LMA's backup minutes)

So if you play Hawes at both frontcourt spots, you have to send out Robinson. Is Hawes good enough to warrant trading Robinson, and then possibly losing Hawes for nothing this summer?

 

[Blazinaway]

So if you play Hawes at both frontcourt spots, you have to send out Robinson. Is Hawes good enough to warrant trading Robinson, and then possibly losing Hawes for nothing this summer?

Yes to the Trob question, but if you trade for hawes you try to determine if he'd want to stay here, anything entails some risk

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes to the Trob question, but if you trade for hawes you try to determine if he'd want to stay here, anything entails some risk

I'm just not that impressed with Hawes. He's a good player, but his career averages are 9 and 6. That's not that good. He's putting up good numbers now, but will that last? His career doesn't indicate that these numbers are the norm.

 

[Rhal]

Asik would be nice but I think it would cost us CJ which it doesn't sound like Olshey wants to move him before seeing him play. The only way I see us getting Asik is in a three teamer but I don't even think that's realistic because who would want Leonard/Crabbe/Barton.

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[Blazinaway]

I'm just not that impressed with Hawes. He's a good player, but his career averages are 9 and 6. That's not that good. He's putting up good numbers now, but will that last? His career doesn't indicate that these numbers are the norm.

this is ironic, it's the thing we see said all the time, that very often it takes C's time to develop. Well here is Hawes at 25 now playing some great ball, as he did for a while last yr until injuries slowed him down. My main worry with him is injuries, not if he is good enough.

 

[Natebishop3]

this is ironic, it's the thing we see said all the time, that very often it takes C's time to develop. Well here is Hawes at 25 now playing some great ball, as he did for a while last yr until injuries slowed him down. My main worry with him is injuries, not if he is good enough.

You might be right, maybe he turned a corner, but have we played enough games to truly see if this is the Hawes that we can expect? It's an awfully big gamble if you trade CJ or Robinson.

 

[RR7]

I'm just not that impressed with Hawes. He's a good player, but his career averages are 9 and 6. That's not that good. He's putting up good numbers now, but will that last? His career doesn't indicate that these numbers are the norm.

Per 36 and advanced stats are all fairly comparable for Hawes, the biggest difference, other than opportunity, is he's got more freedom to shoot 3s this year(4.2 per game) and doing so at a good rate.

 

[Blazinaway]

You might be right, maybe he turned a corner, but have we played enough games to truly see if this is the Hawes that we can expect? It's an awfully big gamble if you trade CJ or Robinson.

frankly given the other weapons we have here I think it is even easier for Hawes to produce those numbers in POR. I mean lets be realistic, CJ is another small SG in a league with many of those and while Trob has potential Hawes IMO has PROVEN way more then they have and they are the greater risks

 

[Blazinaway]

Per 36 and advanced stats are all fairly comparable for Hawes, the biggest difference, other than opportunity, is he's got more freedom to shoot 3s this year(4.2 per game) and doing so at a good rate.

can you imagine our lineup at times with a C that can bury 3's - LOL the opposing defenses would shit bricks

 

[magnifier661]

can you imagine our lineup at times with a C that can bury 3's - LOL the opposing defenses would shit bricks

Hahaha

 

[Natebishop3]

frankly given the other weapons we have here I think it is even easier for Hawes to produce those numbers in POR. I mean lets be realistic, CJ is another small SG in a league with many of those and while Trob has potential Hawes IMO has PROVEN way more then they have and they are the greater risks

I think you're underselling CJ. One of the knocks on this team is our bench, and the lack of a super sub like a Manu, Crawford, etc. CJ could be that guy. He has the potential to be a real threat off the bench. If he can come back healthy and play like we saw during the summer league, I think he could be extremely valuable to this team.

Robinson is a bigger question mark, but I think he has the potential to be one of the best rebounders in the league and a decent offensive threat. Trading potential is sometimes worth the risk, but is Hawes the missing piece? I'm not so sure.

 

[Natebishop3]

can you imagine our lineup at times with a C that can bury 3's - LOL the opposing defenses would shit bricks

Well shit, you might as well play Leonard. He's been working on that shot

 

[Blazinaway]

I think you're underselling CJ. One of the knocks on this team is our bench, and the lack of a super sub like a Manu, Crawford, etc. CJ could be that guy. He has the potential to be a real threat off the bench. If he can come back healthy and play like we saw during the summer league, I think he could be extremely valuable to this team.

Robinson is a bigger question mark, but I think he has the potential to be one of the best rebounders in the league and a decent offensive threat. Trading potential is sometimes worth the risk, but is Hawes the missing piece? I'm not so sure.

I think he could be a "piece" for a WIN NOW team that wants to seriously challenge for the WCF and has already proven they are close, CJ is IMO not a win now piece nor is Trob

 

[Blazinaway]

Well shit, you might as well play Leonard. He's been working on that shot

I knew someone would say that, Hawes averages almost 10 rebs a game and knows where to be on the court and Meyers still hasn't a clue, nice try though

 

[Natebishop3]

I think he could be a "piece" for a WIN NOW team that wants to seriously challenge for the WCF and has already proven they are close, CJ is IMO not a win now piece nor is Trob

I agree that TRob is not really a "win now" piece, but I disagree about CJ. He's a guy who can contribute right away. I guess we'll see when he finally comes back.

 

[Rhal]

Would Phily take a package based around Leonard for Hawes? They want to suck and collect young talent and Hawes is going to be traded and realisticly he will net at best a mid to late first rounder. Is Leonard + crabbe or Barton better then a mid to late first?

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[Blazinaway]

Would Phily take a package based around Leonard for Hawes? They want to suck and collect young talent and Hawes is going to be traded and realisticly he will net at best a mid to late first rounder. Is Leonard + crabbe or Barton better then a mid to late first?

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that's a tough one, I wonder if they would take a heavily protected 2016 pick with Leonard and change

 

[Rhal]

that's a tough one, I wonder if they would take a heavily protected 2016 pick with Leonard and change

We can't trade 2016 pick, 2018 we can though

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[Blazinaway]

We can't trade 2016 pick, 2018 we can though

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actually I think we can if it's done the right way, not sure though

 

[RR7]

actually I think we can if it's done the right way, not sure though

yeah, we would just say next available pick.

 

[Natebishop3]

Would Phily take a package based around Leonard for Hawes? They want to suck and collect young talent and Hawes is going to be traded and realisticly he will net at best a mid to late first rounder. Is Leonard + crabbe or Barton better then a mid to late first?

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He makes over 6 million, so it would have to be Leonard, Claver, and Freeland. Barton and Crabbe make pennies in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Nikolokolus]

actually I think we can if it's done the right way, not sure though

It's the Stepien rule. We owe a protected first to Charlotte and until that is conveyed it complicates trading any other future firsts.