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Why not? Brandon and Nate are both gone, he had great on-court (and relatively decent off-court) chemistry with LaMarcus and Nic, and he still gets ovations when he plays here. I think he'd be a hell of a lot more open to playing behind and alongside Damian than he was with Blake, and he'd be a terrific mentor besides. I would also think that he'd love playing alongside three athletic bigs in LaMarcus, JJ, and Meyers (assuming we keep all three, of course).

I would foam at the mouth if we could get him. I would actually want Miller and Lillard to start; while bringing Matthews off the bench. I think the Miller trade was the worst mistake our team made the last 5 years.
 
Miller is going to retire a Nugget. He is signed until the end of the 2014-15 season with them and at that point he will be 40 years old.
 
Okay, maybe I was a little boisterous with that claim, but he is still a very intimidating shot blocker.

I seriously understand why there is great concern with this guy, but it's probably the reason why this seems like a very realistic idea. Denver gets almost the same value in return; being cap savings, already having a decent center to begin with and a 7 mil TE. Portland could realistically get McGee and still keep Maynor and Hickson this offseason.

Then we would have a MLE next season to find that volume scorer off the bench. It would definitely move the needle in the positive direction IMO.

I admit I wouldn't hate it if it did happen. You make a strong case. Although he does have three more years at 10-12 million each. Which is a little high for just a shot blocker.
 
I admit I wouldn't hate it if it did happen. You make a strong case. Although he does have three more years at 10-12 million each. Which is a little high for just a shot blocker.

McGee has a 21.5 PER

per 36 he is a 19/9/4blks guy

He is far more than just a shot blocker
 
Depending on his price tag, as well as other available options that are clearly better, I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Mozgov this offseason. He's not going to give us 35 minutes alongside LMA, but I think he can start, fill that role of a solid 7 footer alongside LMA, and then you hope Leonard has developed more to spell him, and assume that we'll play small with LMA at C for some of the minutes there as well.
 
I admit I wouldn't hate it if it did happen. You make a strong case. Although he does have three more years at 10-12 million each. Which is a little high for just a shot blocker.

Just looking at his rankings this season...

#6 in FG%, #9 in blocks per game, #6 in total blocks, #2 in blocks per 48 minutes, #10 in the NBA Efficiency rating per 48.

He isn't a top tier center like Howard, Sanders or Duncan; but the dude can ball and George Karl isn't a big fan of him. That means Denver would realistically look at their good "trading partner" Portland and give us what we want if we give them what they want.
 
Depending on his price tag, as well as other available options that are clearly better, I wouldn't be opposed to grabbing Mozgov this offseason. He's not going to give us 35 minutes alongside LMA, but I think he can start, fill that role of a solid 7 footer alongside LMA, and then you hope Leonard has developed more to spell him, and assume that we'll play small with LMA at C for some of the minutes there as well.

Could Portland pry Both McGee and Mozgov (sign and trade) for Leonard and a 2nd rounder?
 
Could Portland pry Both McGee and Mozgov (sign and trade) for Leonard and a 2nd rounder?

I dunno if I'd bother with him if we were able to land someone like McGee. To me, he just seems like a cheap alternative, someone that can give us 15-20 minutes a night of decent defense.
 
I know some of you don't have insider; so I will post what NBA insider's scouting on McGee before the season started.

Scouting report
+ Freakish athlete with rare combination of size, speed, length and leaping ability.
+ Minuscule basketball IQ. Blocks shots but takes bad gambles and goaltends often.
+ Good rebounder. Makes running hooks in post. Poor foul shooter.

Analysis

Part athletic freak, part comedy routine, nobody is totally sure what to make of JaVale McGee yet. Footage of him sprinting back while his team still had the ball, goaltending a jump shot millimeters from the rim and getting hopelessly lost on defense makes it impossible to imagine him becoming a star.

But in between those vignettes, his production is mighty impressive. McGee averaged nearly a point every two minutes, yanked nearly a rebound every three, shot 55.6 percent from the floor and finished 11th among centers in PER. He shot 70.5 percent at the rim with a variety of highlight dunks, although he needs to improve his midrange shooting (17-of-71 from beyond 10 feet, 46.1 percent from the line) and feel for the game.

Defensively, the Nuggets developed him more in two months than the Wizards did in four years, but he still has a ton of work left. McGee is a potentially dominant shot-blocker but has no filter -- he tries to block everything, even if he's 20 feet away or the ball is obviously on its way down. He also has a high center of gravity and struggles to keep opponents out of deep post position. As a result opposing centers blistered him in both stops, registering a 21.2 PER in Denver and a 21.8 mark in Washington, according to 82games.com.

Additionally, McGee's rebounding stats are a lie: For a good rebounder, he has a massively negative impact on his team's overall rebound rate. Denver rebounded just 68.4 percent of opponent misses with him on the court, compared to 72.4 percent with him off it; similarly, Washington's rate dipped by 5.4 percent with McGee on the floor. That's a pretty massive difference considering 6.9 percentage points separated first from worst last season. Again, his mental game is the cause: McGee doesn't block his man out and often leaves the board exposed to go for a block he has little chance of getting.

With all that said, he's still only 24. Even having a limited clue of what to do on the basketball court, he was an effective player last season, and in his time in Denver there were signs of the light bulb turning on.

Oh and this was the scouting projected advanced stats to the actual so far this season.

PER: (projected) 19.16, (actual) 21.55
FG% (projected) 54%, (actual) 57.1%
P/40 (projected) 17.5, (actual) 21.1
R/40 (projected) 11.8, (actual) 10.3
TS% (projected) 53.7, (actual) 58.7
Usage (projected) 17.8, (actual) 19.8
Rebounds (projected) 16.9, (actual) 14.4
 
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I would foam at the mouth if we could get him. I would actually want Miller and Lillard to start; while bringing Matthews off the bench. I think the Miller trade was the worst mistake our team made the last 5 years.
It only became a mistake once Brandon Roy finally admitted he couldn't play. If Brandon retires at the end of the previous season, we don't make that trade.
 
Mozgov isn't the best shot blocker, but he blocks a shot every 19 minutes, so he would get us 2ish bpg?

For comparison, Hickson averages a block ever 42 minutes played
 
Mozgov isn't the best shot blocker, but he blocks a shot every 19 minutes, so he would get us 2ish bpg?

For comparison, Hickson averages a block ever 42 minutes played

Yeah, I don't picture him setting the world on fire at all, but I think he can be a ok 5th starter for us, serviceable role player at a position we'd likely not have on the floor to close games anyways. I would still be happy adding a McGee, Jordan, etc. But I don't think we'd see them on the floor the last few minutes of ball games. We'd either go small intentionally for an advantage, by necessity, or just to avoid having a terrible FT shooter out there. In that case, I think a guy capable of 15-20 serviceable minutes a night at C, with Leonard hopefully giving you the same should be able to get us by, and allow us to focus money on other parts of the bench/starters.
 
I know some of you don't have insider; so I will post what NBA insider's scouting on McGee before the season started.



Oh and this was the scouting projected advanced stats to the actual so far this season.

PER: (projected) 19.16, (actual) 21.55
FG% (projected) 54%, (actual) 57.1%
P/40 (projected) 17.5, (actual) 21.1
R/40 (projected) 11.8, (actual) 10.3
TS% (projected) 53.7, (actual) 58.7
Usage (projected) 17.8, (actual) 19.8
Rebounds (projected) 16.9, (actual) 14.4

Two things stuck out for me.

Negative: Again, his mental game is the cause: McGee doesn't block his man out and often leaves the board exposed to go for a block he has little chance of getting

Positive: He is only 24

All in all....I wouldn't hate it. But I would prefer a Pryzbilla type player over a Theo Ratliff type. I just think we lack a physical presence, a banger, an enforcer.
 
Which is it? Immediately or this summer?
 
You know, I keep seeing the UFA names, and I keep seeing Al Jefferson there. 18/9/1blk. Would he fit? Would he be worth the money we'd have to give him? He might be the right age for Olshey's sustainable plan?

Dalembert is a little older (31) but rebounds better and blocks more shots. Probably more fragile, but also would cost less. He would not seem to fit Olshey's plan for sustainability.

Then I look at (gasp) Darko, He is only 27, and while he has been less than awesome, he has averaged 20+ mpg 6 times in his career and his numbers were 8/51.6blks in 23 minutes per game If you project that to Hickson's minutes per game you have basically the same stats with almost 3 times as many blocks
 
You know, I keep seeing the UFA names, and I keep seeing Al Jefferson there. 18/9/1blk. Would he fit? Would he be worth the money we'd have to give him? He might be the right age for Olshey's sustainable plan?

Dalembert is a little older (31) but rebounds better and blocks more shots. Probably more fragile, but also would cost less. He would not seem to fit Olshey's plan for sustainability.

Then I look at (gasp) Darko, He is only 27, and while he has been less than awesome, he has averaged 20+ mpg 6 times in his career and his numbers were 8/51.6blks in 23 minutes per game If you project that to Hickson's minutes per game you have basically the same stats with almost 3 times as many blocks

If I had to choose between Dalembert or Jefferson; I would choose Dalembert. It's a personal preference really.
 
McGee is going no where. As we are finding out, the center position is hard to fill. If they did move him, it would be in a major trade and certainly not a salary dump this early.
 
McGee is going no where. As we are finding out, the center position is hard to fill. If they did move him, it would be in a major trade and certainly not a salary dump this early.

The only reason why I think McGee is available is that George Karl doesn't like him, Denver is in a Luxury tax situation and they already have a very good center in their line-up that is much cheaper in Koufos.

Oh if you asking about if it's true that George Karl said negative things about McGee; here is the link to the article.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-b...le-mcgee-lazy-crazy-isn-t-184732689--nba.html

"He's got to understand that lazy and crazy isn't going to make it work," Karl said. "We want solid and we want fundamental, and we want spectacular but only when it happens, not forcing the action where sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't."
 
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I wish Fab Melo came from better stock. I think we could easily get him this off season
 
I wish Fab Melo came from better stock. I think we could easily get him this off season

How would that be a better option then Leonard even if he came from better stock? Leonard isn't going to be a super-star but he is going to be much better than Fab. 11th pick vs 21st pick.
 
You know, I keep seeing the UFA names, and I keep seeing Al Jefferson there. 18/9/1blk. Would he fit? Would he be worth the money we'd have to give him? He might be the right age for Olshey's sustainable plan?

Dalembert is a little older (31) but rebounds better and blocks more shots. Probably more fragile, but also would cost less. He would not seem to fit Olshey's plan for sustainability.

Then I look at (gasp) Darko, He is only 27, and while he has been less than awesome, he has averaged 20+ mpg 6 times in his career and his numbers were 8/51.6blks in 23 minutes per game If you project that to Hickson's minutes per game you have basically the same stats with almost 3 times as many blocks

Good question. I go back and forth about Jefferson. He has size and he has skills. He is a bit of black hole and a sub par defender. He is not worth anywhere close to his current salary. ($15 million)

But .........I would take him for about 9 million.

Darko and Dalembert are there for the taking. Call me crazy but I thought Darko looked decent in Minnesota, and Doc said he was looking good in Boston before his family emergency. I would not be opposed to Darko for 5.5.
 
No no no no no on McGee. He is the perfect example of a player who makes one spectacler play every 10 plays he does so people overvalue him. He gambles for blocks and is a good rebounder but his defense is putrid. He gets lost on rotations, is a bad help defender and leaves his man to try and block everything.
He isnt the answer at center and makes to much to gamble on. Would rather put leonard out there then McGee.
As for Tyreke, the guy is talented and not a bad defender. The one problem I have is he needs the ball in his hands otherwise he isnt very effective offensively, also is a bad 3 point shooter. If we got evans we would be making Lillard play off the ball the majority of time, which may not be a bad thing, to have Evans be effective.
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How would that be a better option then Leonard even if he came from better stock? Leonard isn't going to be a super-star but he is going to be much better than Fab. 11th pick vs 21st pick.

Fab has always been a very good shot blocker, while Meyers has never been a good shot blocker. Leonard will probably be the better offensive player though
 
I just don't see the upside in Jefferson at center. I guess he's better than what we have, but I don't think it moves us into being an upper echelon playoff team.

McGee is the guy I like for all the reasons mags points out. Sometimes people get so caught up in what a guy does wrong that they miss out on what he does right. Zach Randolph is an example of a guy who had to bounce around several teams until he finally found his own game. Maybe the third team is the charm for McGee.

Portland has a lot of guys who know how to play the right way. There's just a lot of maturity in Lillard, Batum, Matthews and LMA. Seems like a good bunch to bring in a guy who is a little thick-headed.
 
I just don't see the upside in Jefferson at center. I guess he's better than what we have, but I don't think it moves us into being an upper echelon playoff team.

McGee is the guy I like for all the reasons mags points out. Sometimes people get so caught up in what a guy does wrong that they miss out on what he does right. Zach Randolph is an example of a guy who had to bounce around several teams until he finally found his own game. Maybe the third team is the charm for McGee.

Portland has a lot of guys who know how to play the right way. There's just a lot of maturity in Lillard, Batum, Matthews and LMA. Seems like a good bunch to bring in a guy who is a little thick-headed.

That's a great point. I keep thinking about McGee being a little crazy and wanting to intimidate. Who other player on our team strives to intimidate on the defensive end? I can't think of anyone. I think some of the major frustration on McGee is actually on the offensive end. Defensively; he does help and leave his man; but that's actually a good thing. We have no one that ever helps on the defensive end.

Listen the reason Karl doesn't care for McGee is because he coaches "fine oiled offense" with that pressure d. Both aren't to the "animal" that makes McGee. He would fit in perfectly with our team. He would have time to see the floor; get into position and block dumb fucks that think they can drive the lane.
 
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