We turned down #3/Sharpe for Zion?

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This was apparently the deal we walked away from. Marang echoed it, and so did this account:

https://twitter.com/GriffinPresser

I know it's some BS account but it seems pretty dialed in on the takes:

Knew they would take Hawkins:







IDK what the salary filler would have been. Presumably Ant, maybe Nurk/Little.

But regardless. Part of me feels like #3/Sharpe for Zion is the risky swing we never made in the Dame era. But hard to fault it. If Zion didn't average 28 games a year I'd definitely do it.

Also this:



I wonder if we tried haggling for Trey. I'd do the deal for Zion/Trey. Maybe Cronin tried, who knows.

LOL, this dude definitely knows stuff:

 
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If that was the deal, I'm delighted we passed.

Also, while I'm not saying this poster did it in THIS case, an account can make a bunch of "The Pelicans will pick [insert guy here]. Guaranteed." posts and then just zap all except the one that turned out to be the case, leaving the "guarantee" looking prescient. He also posted five hours after his "guarantee": Pels went into the night thinking Gradey Dick or Lively would be there. When they weren't, they saw if there were trade down options. None really materialized so they took the guy who had the best workout for them - Jordan Hawkins. Which doesn't seem consistent with the guarantee, since he would have had to know that Dick and Lively would be gone even as the Pelicans did not.
 
Wow! But I get why Joe wouldn't do it. If it's Ant/ #3 , that's fair for a guy who hasn't stayed healthy. But worth the risk, because you still have Shaedon in the future if he stays. But when you include Sharpe, the Blazers have no insurance. Griffin can eat a dick if that was the case. He was trying to be sly. Now if Zion stays healthy , it's all good. But if he doesn't, and he passed on Scoot, and Scoot makes good, Griffin is an idiot.
 


This account is a wealth of NO information.

Also he clearly hates Griff. LOL
 
Ed O said:
If that was the deal, I'm delighted we passed.

Also, while I'm not saying this poster did it in THIS case, an account can make a bunch of "The Pelicans will pick [insert guy here]. Guaranteed." posts and then just zap all except the one that turned out to be the case, leaving the "guarantee" looking prescient. He also posted five hours after his "guarantee": Pels went into the night thinking Gradey Dick or Lively would be there. When they weren't, they saw if there were trade down options. None really materialized so they took the guy who had the best workout for them - Jordan Hawkins. Which doesn't seem consistent with the guarantee, since he would have had to know that Dick and Lively would be gone even as the Pelicans did not.
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Read through his history. Could be all made up, but why? It's a small account, clearly targeted towards only the NO fanbase. He's not looking for clout, so what other reason could he have other than to just share some information with fans of his own team.

The Hawkins thing was actually a joke. He said all week he didn't want them to pick Hawkins, and then they actually did.
 
B-Roy said:
Read through his history. Could be all made up, but why? It's a small account, clearly targeted towards only the NO fanbase. He's not looking for clout, so what other reason could he have other than to just share some information with fans of his own team.

The Hawkins thing was actually a joke. He said all week he didn't want them to pick Hawkins, and then they actually did.
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I'm not going to go through the history of a small account set up to share information targeted towards only the NO fanbase.

There's no way that I was to know it was a joke, given the way you posted it, when you said, "Knew they would take Hawkins".

It sounds like one guy's opinion, which is fine, but not really credible as a source.
 
Ed O said:
I'm not going to go through the history of a small account set up to share information targeted towards only the NO fanbase.

There's no way that I was to know it was a joke, given the way you posted it, when you said, "Knew they would take Hawkins".

It sounds like one guy's opinion, which is fine, but not really credible as a source.
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I mean, I'm not here to debate whether this guy is telling the truth or not. It's been echoed by more than just him, but that's not the point.

If this WAS the deal, and we turned it down, I'm glad we did.



Curious what he's referring to here. Maybe we'll find out someday.
 
I hope there is somebody on a New Orleans Pelicans forum somewhere posting KingSpeed’s predictions on his Twitter account!
 
I was totally convinced that we could gamble with Zion. But if this proposal is really what was on the table, I won't ever blame Cronin for not agreeing. #3 OR Sharpe, why not. But not both.
 
The Zion dilemma is a little hard.

His availability under the new CBA would have been crippling. Just look at Kawai these past few years - it would have been even worse...we dont want that.

On the other hand - would you get prime Shaq for 50% of the season if you could? can everything fall into place just one season for us to win it all with him and Dame?
 
As many have stated above, if this was the deal for Zion, i'm glad Cronin turned it down.

It is almost hilarious, that after all this, we could be left with yet another very talented but small guard to pair with Dame :ygrin:

Wonder if there asking price comes down as we get deeper into the off-season? Think they are desperate to move him.
 
Well, if it's true, my respect for Cronin grows. What with all the pressure that would be hard to turn down. If you 100% knew Zion would turn it around and stay in shape, then you almost certainly should take it (I love Sharpe but his type of player is a lot easier to find than Zion) but that's almost certainly never going to happen.
 
B-Roy said:
This was apparently the deal we walked away from. Marang echoed it, and so did this account:

https://twitter.com/GriffinPresser

I know it's some BS account but it seems pretty dialed in on the takes:

Knew they would take Hawkins:







IDK what the salary filler would have been. Presumably Ant, maybe Nurk/Little.

But regardless. Part of me feels like #3/Sharpe for Zion is the risky swing we never made in the Dame era. But hard to fault it. If Zion didn't average 28 games a year I'd definitely do it.

Also this:



I wonder if we tried haggling for Trey. I'd do the deal for Zion/Trey. Maybe Cronin tried, who knows.

LOL, this dude definitely knows stuff:

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I believe it and I'm glad we didn't do it.
 
B-Roy said:


This account is a wealth of NO information.

Also he clearly hates Griff. LOL
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I suggested this would be a likely outcome a week or so ago, mostly because it -- assuming it was Scoot and not Miller that fell to 3 -- was an extremely logical outcome.

Scoot was the easy right pick there, Dame or no Dame, so we risk nothing by taking him. CLEARLY NO wants Scoot and wants rid of Zion, there's tremendous potential in a 22yo Zion but still immense risk, so that's not the kind of deal you just immediately say yes to. The fits are there, the desire to make the broader frameworked deal are there, but we have the leverage, so need to make sure the intake matches or supersedes the risk.

Could definitely see this as a summer-long flirtation...
 
[QUOTE="glazeduck, post: 5539512, member: 21908"

Could definitely see this as a summer-long flirtation...[/QUOTE]

Summer league will be interesting. If Scoot looks great, teams will up their ante.
But if he does look great....we might not want to move him or we might increase our asking price.

Or he could get hurt and we are fucked.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
[QUOTE="glazeduck, post: 5539512, member: 21908"

Could definitely see this as a summer-long flirtation...
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Summer league will be interesting. If Scoot looks great, teams will up their ante.
But if he does look great....we might not want to move him or we might increase our asking price.

Or he could get hurt and we are fucked.[/QUOTE]

Such are the risks with playing the dual-timeline strategy, right? Dame could wake up one day and ask out. NO could decide one day that they're ready to cave and move Zion + whatever we were asking for. It's all a game of chicken (though I suppose, to our benefit, our "worst case" is starting over with 2 young studs + trade assets in Dame, Nurk, Ant, and Grant...
 
glazeduck said:
Summer league will be interesting. If Scoot looks great, teams will up their ante.
But if he does look great....we might not want to move him or we might increase our asking price.

Or he could get hurt and we are fucked.
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Such are the risks with playing the dual-timeline strategy, right? Dame could wake up one day and ask out. NO could decide one day that they're ready to cave and move Zion + whatever we were asking for. It's all a game of chicken (though I suppose, to our benefit, our "worst case" is starting over with 2 young studs + trade assets in Dame, Nurk, Ant, and Grant...
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Exactly. In a way (and if it's done right), it's a win win. Would LOOOVE to win with Dame, but happy we have contengiencies.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Cronin’s best move is to not act out of desperation.

Teams will try to play off that. He’s best to avoid it, regardless of Dame’s wishes.
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It's like when we used to shop for cars. (now we just get gouged)

You have to actually be willing to walk out the door if you don't get what you want. Threatening isn't enough. You have to make them believe that you are willing to walk away. Right now it seems like Joe has to earn the respect of the rest of the GMs because they don't think he has the balls to walk away.
 
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