Webster going backwards?

[STOMP]

I know you weren't saying anything other then why people are disappointed in Martell, I just think it's important to realize we NEEDED Martell, Zbo etc. to stink it up enough to snag Roy/LMA/Oden. Just a few more wins and we might have gotten only one or even none of those three. For me I'd rather have our big 3 then CP...3.

so you're saying Martell is the real MVP of the club?

Had Nash drafted Paul, he would probably still be the GM

STOMP

 

[RR7]

As a role player though, with Travis, he does not do his "role" of being a scorer well. Or, efficiently, rather. Which is why people complain. You can trot just about any NBA player out on the court, and given 10-11 shots a game, they can get you his 12.8 points.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

LOL the way some of the people talked in here, Martell was headed for the HOF.

I'm one of the them.

I'm clearly disappointed in Martell. He was propped up to be some kind of sharp shooter since the days of being drafted. I don't think we have ever seen that out of him on a consistent basis. That and I thought we would see a little more hungrier player out of him this season. In defense, I did think he would benefit off of Andre Millers play at point. I really felt he and Andre would start. That's not the case and probably won't be the case the rest of the season. That they start together.

So yeah. I can go ahead and give an excuse of why he is not performing. But I won't. I just hope things get better for him. I still feel he is more than what he is putting out.

 

[oldmangrouch]

One bad game and he must be traded. One great game and, lime mm states, he's headed to the Hall.

I thin this forum needs something for it's bi-polar syndrome.

ONE bad game? You could count his *good* games on Lance Armstrong's gonads.

 

[noknobs]

Webster's shot has been off which is probably just a combination of rust and being all hyped-up to be playing again. But I love the way he plays, very active, hustling, and at least helping the team in other ways even when his shot isn't falling. I'm not worried about him at all.

 

[andalusian]

As a role player though, with Travis, he does not do his "role" of being a scorer well. Or, efficiently, rather. Which is why people complain. You can trot just about any NBA player out on the court, and given 10-11 shots a game, they can get you his 12.8 points.

Really?

I ran the following query on last year, for forwards that get a PER of 15 or higher (efficient offensive as an average starter), a TS% of .54% or more (so they do not need millions of shots) forwards - and I got 33 entries for the entire league last year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...t&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ws

Of those - at least 12 are starters - and there are not a lot of the other guys that can create their own shot. If you add the need to have at least 9 FGA/G - which means their coach actually think they should shoot so much, the number goes down to 18.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...&c3val=9&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=ws

Travis is a scorer that can get his shot up almost all the time. He hot to shoot so much in past years because we had so many broken plays - where a team was able to load-up on Roy and to a lesser extent on LMA - so we had to have someone hoist a shot.

It is a talent, it is a role. It is a role we hopefully will need less of - but it was a specific role - and he did it very well, otherwise his TS% would not be as it was or his efficiency would not be as high as it was.

 

[BBert]

I'm not sure why we should expect a backup SF to play like an all star. He can shoot. He's had a year off from basketball. His shot will come around. In the meantime he's been hustling like a choir boy version of Ruben with a brain. Let's let the new Martell get 10 or 20 games under his belt before we conclude he's not even a serviceable backup.

 

[LittleAlex]

I thought this thread was about Martell?

He is having an up and down preseason. That's to be expected after missing an entire year.

I don't think any of the current small forwards has been remarkable yet this year.

My prediction: Batum takes the starters job back by January on the strength of his defense.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

I thought this thread was about Martell?

He is having an up and down preseason. That's to be expected after missing an entire year.

I don't think any of the current small forwards has been remarkable yet this year.

My prediction: Batum takes the starters job back by January on the strength of his defense.

Batum is the starter...now.

 

[Shooter]

Travis is starting his 7th year with the club & this will be Martell's 5th... why is it that in the debate between these two TO's detractors have so many problems keeping their facts strait?

Maybe for the same reason you're confused about the difference between "strait" and "straight."

 

[hasoos]

LOL the way some of the people talked in here, Martell was headed for the HOF.

What? You mean every Blazer isn't headed to the hall of fame? I thought that that's the way it worked. If they are a Blazer, they are headed to the hall of fame. As soon as they are traded or released then that no longer a possibility!

 

[BrianFromWA]

You got it wrong. Every Blazer gets his jersey retired. The HoF is a different matter entirely.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Not sure exactly when he was "cleared," but I know he's had an entire year off to practice his shooting, and it doesn't seem to have helped.

I'm pretty sure shooting when you can't jump at all and you have a huge boot on your foot is a little different than shooting a jump shot in the NBA. I do remember hearing that he wasn't even supposed to be shooting until like July or August.

 

[hasoos]

Well the way I look at it is this: Until the game with Batum last night playing pretty well, none of the SF on the Blazers had been getting it done. It is very simple. There is getting it done, and not getting it done. There is no room for excuses. Lately Martell has been the guy that has the prettiest looking jump shot that never goes in during the game. So, either find a way to get it done, or look forward to not having many years left in the NBA.

 

[BBert]

You got it wrong. Every Blazer gets his jersey retired. The HoF is a different matter entirely.

Dang Brian I clicked to post just this and saw yours out of the corner of my eye.

 

[LameR]

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But I'm not getting my hopes up on him anyway. I really like him, but don't expect great things.

 

[STOMP]

Maybe for the same reason you're confused about the difference between "strait" and "straight."

oh gotcha! Good for you TH and congrats on your new badge awarded for outstanding pettiness...

STOMP

 

[mook]

Good post. I am FAR from a Trout supporter, but I think he is fine in small doses (20 mins or less). Limiting his time prevents some of the mental lapses he is prone to having and limits his disruption of the offensive flow. The problem last year was that he was a role player playing nearly starter minutes (27.7) and I think that is more than he should be.

The nice thing about using Outlaw in that very limited role is that on the nights he gets hot, you can always play him more. He might actually see the highest PER of his career this year, simply because the coach will quickly yank him if he isn't contributing.

 

[Shooter]

oh gotcha! Good for you TH and congrats on your new badge awarded for outstanding pettiness...

Oops! I guess it hurts when someone turns the tables on you, eh, STOMP?

You were the one who got his panties all in a knot because someone couldn't remember exactly how many years Webster and Outlaw had been in the league. Now you're upset because I pointed out that you mistakenly used the word meaning "a channel of water" instead of the word meaning "undeviating, or accurate."

If you're going to throw stones, my friend, you better move out of that glass house.

 

[STOMP]

Oops! I guess it hurts when someone turns the tables on you, eh, STOMP?

You were the one who got his panties all in a knot because someone couldn't remember exactly how many years Webster and Outlaw had been in the league. Now you're upset because I pointed out that you mistakenly used the word meaning "a channel of water" instead of the word meaning "undeviating, or accurate."

If you're going to throw stones, my friend, you better move out of that glass house.

right, here on the Blazer board we value getting spelling right every bit as much as keeping our basketball facts straight. Man my panties sure were in a knot...

curious, how did you become so ridiculous?

STOMP

 

[Shooter]

right, here on the Blazer board we value getting spelling right every bit as much as keeping our basketball facts straight.

Apparently YOU now value spelling, since you finally took the time to spell the word correctly.

 

[STOMP]

Apparently YOU now value spelling, since you finally took the time to spell the word correctly.

can't wait to see what nothing issue you'll wet your pants over next when you're taking a break from your grammar police position.

Despite the myriad of misspellings that regularly appear on this board, this is the 3rd time you've flashed the spelling badge on me. It doesn't get more pathetic then playing spelling police on the internets yet you've done this repeatedly towards only me.

how about you just store that thing next to the tight spot you keep your head shoved up?

STOMP

 

[jlprk]

No, I understand that. I was just commenting that, in general, everytime a player has a bad game, 90% of the forum wants the bum traded and when a player has a really good game 90% of the forum thinks they walk on water.

This is a screwy group.

As the screwiest one here, I step forward to take full responsibility for the group looking screwy. Speaking of screwing around, include me in the 90% who regret that Pritchard gave Webster $4M per year. Webster was ready to play late last season, but was held back to this season because, what's the point of starting your season a month before it ends. He should not be given a pass for half of this season to get up to speed.

 

[Schilly]

I Webster going backwards? I say no... But that brings the real question, "Is he going forward"?

 

[ABM]

But that brings the real question, "Is he going forward"?

At this point, too early to tell. Wouldn't you think?

 

[Schilly]

I definitely think so.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think some rust is to be expected, but Martell was never all that big of a dead-eye shooter at the best of times and has battled consistency and confidence issues since the year he was drafted, so the fact that he's going through cold shooting nights after a year long layoff from competitive hoops doesn't surprise me in the least.

As for going backward, I don't think I see that at all, I think he's the player he's always been, but I remember his reputation becoming pretty inflated by certain people around here during the length of his layoff; perhaps now expectations are going "backward" to meet up with the actual player -- a guy I see as a mediocre shooting specialist with so-so defensive abilities, good size for his position, a pretty stroke and backup small forward written all over him.

 

[ABM]

Webster's (somewhat diminished) role on this current team will be different than that which was expected/anticipated from him prior to him going down with injury.

 

[e_blazer]

Can't we just agree to revisit this issue after the first month of the season?

 

[Luther]

Yea Martell is the Benjamin Button of the NBA...by the end of the year he will avg. -4 ppg...Come on, the guy just missed an entire NBA season. Start hating if he plays like Rudy did during the playoffs last year.