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dviss1 said:
OK so since I HATE this discussion, I'm gonna bow out. It's stupid and I will no longer participate.
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ahahahahahah there it is. I was waiting for it.

You get pissed off about ANY discussion about race, and then you leave.

Bye.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I wasn't a fan of drafting anyone. Of any color. At any position. I'm not against drafting Collins, but I'm just saying that the odds of him being a star are not in his favor.
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And then you continue with the discussion I so gracefully bowed out of.... Bruh.... I'M DONE.....
 
dviss1 said:
Sometimes, you don't have a fucking clue...
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And you can't have a discussion about anything related to race.

Why are there so few white guys in the NBA? Simple answer - there aren't that many good white players, so very few make it to the NBA. This isn't a bad thing, it's just reality.

Why are there so few white guys in the All-Star game? There are very few white guys in the NBA, so there's a low chance of any of them being good enough to make the All-Star game. Again, that's just reality.

Why does this upset you so much?
 
Natebishop3 said:
ahahahahahah there it is. I was waiting for it.

You get pissed off about ANY discussion about race, and then you leave.

Bye.
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dviss1 said:
You MFs in here comparing Centers based on skin tone are just acting stupid.. Plain and simple. Get off it....
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dviss1 said:
Why? Why is this an "interesting discussion"?

I think it's a fucking stupid one.
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I tried to quell the idiotic discussion before it started. WTF are you talking about?
 
From the videos I watched, offensively, he seems to like to get contact in the paint with pretty solid footwork and up and under moves. Reminicent of McHale.

Add the fact that he seems to have good awareness on defense, and I am excited.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And you can't have a discussion about anything related to race.

Why are there so few white guys in the NBA? Simple answer - there aren't that many good white players, so very few make it to the NBA. This isn't a bad thing, it's just reality.

Why are there so few white guys in the All-Star game? There are very few white guys in the NBA, so there's a low chance of any of them being good enough to make the All-Star game. Again, that's just reality.

Why does this upset you so much?
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Why do you GAF so much? :dunno:
 
blue9 said:
Bulk is only one facet of a player's ability to not get bullied in the paint. Gobert has far less bulk than Plumlee, yet is one of the best defensive Cs in the league. Agility, positioning, and reach are more important than bulk.
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Yep, and as I recently posted he's already 230 - stronger yes and maybe 5-10 more lbs but if hes a PF or small ball C how big do we want him?
 
Blazinaway said:
Yep, and as I recently posted he's already 230 - stronger yes and maybe 5-10 more lbs but if hes a PF or small ball C how big do we want him?
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TT was 240ish (before he bloated the fuck up) and always got pushed around in the post.
 
dviss1 said:
TT was 240ish (before he bloated the fuck up) and always got pushed around in the post.
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It's not all about size/weight. It's about center of gravity and foot placement. Guys like Wes aren't huge, but they're able to get low and leverage their weight to keep people from backing them down.
 
Calling it now:

Zach Collins is the best forward since Slava Medvedenko!
 
Jade Falcon said:
Jesus, you people....

I wasn't comparing Collin's skill to to that of Plumlee. I was comparing their size and bulk. My point being....Plumlee got bullied around in the paint routinely. And I don't think anyone here disagrees with that.

All I'm saying is if he wants to be effective in this league as a big man in the paint, he needs to bulk up. Aldridge put on 41 lbs of muscle. Call him soft if you want, but he was REALLY soft before he bulked up.

I don't think Collins needs to be that drastic....just 20 to 30 lbs over the course of the year. Which sounds doable to me.
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He doesn't need to be 250-260. 240 is a good weight.

He's a PF with a 9'3 standing reach. Plumlees a C with a 9'0 standing reach. There size is much different. Collins has elite size for his position, while Plumper has below average for his.

Collins doesn't need to put on more bulk to defend PFs well. In actuality, it'd probably hurt him. He'd backup Nurk at C while going against other bench Cs who wouldn't abuse him inside even now.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because he's white!?!
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He reminds me of McHale offensively because of his footwork, seeking contact. He also seems to be very good at going up straight when contesting jumpshots, which is another thing I remember from McHale. I think that he is seems more nimble guarding the perimeter, but I might be wrong, it is just not something that I associate with McHale without checking it.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Of course, it varies by individual, but in general, rebounding usually translates very well from one level to the next. Much more so than scoring, for example.

Of course, size helps, but rebounding is a lot about effort and players that "get after it" at one level usually bring that same intensity to the next level. If you watch Collins play, he pays with a lot of intensity and effort.

Regarding your question about 7-footers in college, Collins was a teammate of one of the biggest men in all of the NCAA, 7'1", 304 lb. Przemek Karnoski. They played in the same system against the same competition. Collins had a TRB% of 18.3 and Karnowski was at 13.6. That makes Collins an above average rebounder for his size/position and Karnowski a below average rebounder for his size position.

BNM
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-Scoring is not an attribute either.
-I want to emphasize again that i don't think Collins will be a bad player, i just see a lower ceiling and more risk with him.
 
Jade Falcon said:
All I'm saying is if he wants to be effective in this league as a big man in the paint, he needs to bulk up. Aldridge put on 41 lbs of muscle. Call him soft if you want, but he was REALLY soft before he bulked up.

I don't think Collins needs to be that drastic....just 20 to 30 lbs over the course of the year. Which sounds doable to me.
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I think 240 -245 is ample. So maybe 15 lbs in 2-3 years? I say he starts out at PF and as he gets older, and naturally bigger, he plays more center. I don't think the extra weight/muscle helped LMA. Tyson Chandler is a pretty good defensive center and his listed weight is 240.
 
He doesn't have McHale's freakish arms, but I agree that he does carry himself like McHale and has a lot of the same moves. Would love to see him end up like McHale, but would love even more to see him end up like Laimbeer. Old school sending Drayond Green to the floor with a clothesline.

Maybe we should bring in Przybilla to help with his boxing skills and general attitude. Would love to see teams coming into Portland saying "ugh, going to have to ice my whole body tonight after getting popped by Nurk and Collins all night."
 
B-Roy said:
Listen, say what you will about Olshey, but the one thing I trust from him is his talent evaluation. He has had way more hits than misses and when it comes to the crapshoot that is the draft, that's pretty good.

He seems incredibly confident that Collins was the guy. The last two players I heard this level of certainty from him was Dame and CJ.
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I don't mean to be discounting Olshey, he is after all the "decider" (along with Paul Allen of course); but my gut feeling is they both rely heavily on their advanced metrics guys when it comes to college players. Either way, so far, so good.
 
FlashWad said:
Very disappointing with this pick. The guy reminds me of a poor man's Cody Zeller. Trading a 15 and 20 for that is not that exciting. I am however excited for Caleb Swanigan. He's come a long way to make it here and it seems like he will flourish.
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Cody Zeller? I will be extremely shocked if Collins isn't significant better than Zeller, at everything.

Only time will tell.

:cheers:
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's just a topic. It doesn't have to upset you. I'm capable of talking about my race without getting upset.
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cmon....next we'll be talking about all the Asian airplane pilots...then the West Indian taxi drivers...then the Irish Cops...pretty soon it's 1952 all over again...we should all make a collective effort to stop color coding as a stat
 
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