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Kind of surprising to me that there isn't more discussion about him being a natural 4 or 5. Reporters I've listened to seem to say he needs to fill out to play his natural position (center). If that's true, it presents the same problem Denver had--too many centers for a league that doesn't value true centers much anymore.

I think the Blazers hope that in the long run he's a PF. A lot of NBA big men minimize their height just so they don't get tagged with the center label. Dirk, KG, Sheed, LMA--Durant is probably the most guilty. I'm hoping the "center" tag has stuck on Collins because he came off the bench at center (behind a guy who was even bigger) in college.

Collins has basically the same height/weight as LMA during the draft (although LMA had a 4" wingspan advantage while Collins has a 2" taller standing reach--how weird is that?) Also similar issues compared to Durant.

Strength and conditioning is a big part of any NBA regimen. But I really hope with Collins the focus is more on the "conditioning" side--if he can be a guy who, 25 minutes into a game, can still quickly get a hand up on a three point shot it's going be a lot more important asset on our team than out-muscling a post player.
 
mook said:
Kind of surprising to me that there isn't more discussion about him being a natural 4 or 5. Reporters I've listened to seem to say he needs to fill out to play his natural position (center). If that's true, it presents the same problem Denver had--too many centers for a league that doesn't value true centers much anymore.

I think the Blazers hope that in the long run he's a PF. A lot of NBA big men minimize their height just so they don't get tagged with the center label. Dirk, KG, Sheed, LMA--Durant is probably the most guilty. I'm hoping the "center" tag has stuck on Collins because he came off the bench at center (behind a guy who was even bigger) in college.

Collins has basically the same height/weight as LMA during the draft (although LMA had a 4" wingspan advantage while Collins has a 2" taller standing reach--how weird is that?) Also similar issues compared to Durant.

Strength and conditioning is a big part of any NBA regimen. But I really hope with Collins the focus is more on the "conditioning" side--if he can be a guy who, 25 minutes into a game, can still quickly get a hand up on a three point shot it's going be a lot more important asset on our team than out-muscling a post player.
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I think he got some time playing the 4 too at Gonzaga, alongside their starting 5.
I could be wrong be I think I remember seeing tape of that (and a nice high-low !)
 
mook said:
Kind of surprising to me that there isn't more discussion about him being a natural 4 or 5. Reporters I've listened to seem to say he needs to fill out to play his natural position (center). If that's true, it presents the same problem Denver had--too many centers for a league that doesn't value true centers much anymore.
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The difference between Jokic and Collins is vast. Jokic is strictly a center because he can't move laterally. He gets abused in pick and rolls defensively. So while Jokic also stretches the court, Collins is a much better athlete.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I think he got some time playing the 4 too at Gonzaga, alongside their starting 5.
I could be wrong be I think I remember seeing tape of that (and a nice high-low !)
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There is plenty of video showing him playing next the big center. Olshey even mention the play that sold him was a no look over the head pass from Collins to the big guy.

Regarding blocks, most appeared to be overly aggressive, as in putting they guy on his ass. I can see him doing that to Harden without flinching.
 
*Elite defensive feel/awareness
*Very advanced footwork for his age
*3pt range
*Knows how to use his 9'3" reach - verticality
*Can ISO on the block
*Passing is a work in progress - showed flashes
*Strong one-on-one post defender

NBA comp: (not as strong) Joel Embiid
 
Reep said:
Regarding blocks, most appeared to be overly aggressive, as in putting they guy on his ass. I can see him doing that to Harden without flinching.
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That alone makes the trade worthwhile. Harden is going to get the call anyway, whether you touch him or not. Might was well knock him on his ass a time or two to make him think twice about driving when the young guy is in the game. Let the rookie be our enforcer so Nurk doesn't get into early foul trouble.

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/zach-collins/

Ouch.

Do like the Embiid/DeAndre/Favors comps, though
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I wouldn't worry about that. Who knows what algorithm they are using, but they rate Zach Collins as a "great prospect", one of the few they rate that highly outside of the top 4 picks.

Here's their subjevtive ratings for all of the 1st round picks:

1. Philadelphia 76ers — Markelle Fultz, Washington guard - Great Prospect

2. Los Angeles Lakers — Lonzo Ball, UCLA guard - Great Prospect

3. Boston Celtics — Jayson Tatum, Duke forward - Great Prospect

4. Phoenix Suns — Josh Jackson, Kansas forward - Great Prospect

5. Sacramento Kings — De’Aaron Fox, Kentucky point guard - Good Prospect

6. Orlando Magic — Jonathan Isaac, Florida State forward - Good Prospect

7. Chicago Bulls — Lauri Markkanen, Arizona forward - OK Prospect

8. New York Knicks — Frank Ntilinkia, France guard - Great Prospect

9. Dallas Mavericks — Dennis Smith Jr., NC State guard - Good Prospect

10. Portland Trail Blazers — Zach Collins, Gonzaga forward - Great Prospect

11. Charlotte Hornets — Malik Monk, Kentucky guard - Marginal Prospect

12. Detroit Pistons — Luke Kennard, Duke guard - Marginal Prospect

13. Utah Jazz — Donovan Mitchell, Louisville guard - OK Prospect

14. Miami Heat — Bam Adebayo, Kentucky forward - OK Prospect

15. Sacramento Kings — Justin Jackson, North Carolina guard - Marginal Prospect

16. Minnesota Timberwolves — Justin Patton, Creighton Center - OK Prospect

17. Milwaukee Bucks — D.J. Wilson, Michigan forward - Marginal Prospect

18. Indiana Pacers — T.J. Leaf, UCLA forward - OK Prospect

19. Atlanta Hawks — John Collins, Wake Forest forward - Good Prospect

20. Sacramento Kings — Harry Giles, Duke forward - Great Prospect

21. Oklahoma City Thunder — Terrance Ferguson, Australia guard - Good Prospect

22. Brooklyn Nets — Jarrett Allen, Texas center - OK Prospect

23. Toronto Raptors — OG Anunoby, Indiana forward - OK Prospect

24. Denver Nuggets — Tyler Lydon, Syracuse forward - Marginal Prospect

25.Philadelphia 76ers — Andzejs Pasecniks, Latvia center - Marginal Prospect

26. Portland Trail Blazers — Caleb Swanigan, Purdue forward - OK Prospect

27. Los Angeles Lakers — Kyle Kuzma, Utah forward - Marginal Prospect

28. Utah Jazz — Tony Bradley, North Carolina center - Great Prospect

29. San Antonio Spurs — Derrick White, Colorado guard - Marginal Prospect

30. Los Angeles Lakers –Josh Hart, Villanova guard - Marginal Prospect

A few others of note, since someone is bound to ask:

36. Philadelphia 76ers — Jonah Bolden, Australia forward - Marginal Prospect

37. Boston Celtics — Semi Ojeleye, SMU forward - Marginal Prospect

38. Golden State Warriors — Jordan Bell, Oregon forward - Marginal Prospect

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm only sharing information. These guys crunch a lot of numbers, but that doesn't guarantee anything. They only gave Trump a 23% chance of winning the day of the election. So, take any, and all, of their predictions with a grain of salt.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I wouldn't worry about that. Who knows what algorithm they are using, but they rate Zach Collins as a "great prospect", one of the few they rate that highly outside of the top 4 picks.

Here's their subjevtive ratings for all of the 1st round picks:

1. Philadelphia 76ers — Markelle Fultz, Washington guard - Great Prospect

2. Los Angeles Lakers — Lonzo Ball, UCLA guard - Great Prospect

3. Boston Celtics — Jayson Tatum, Duke forward - Great Prospect

4. Phoenix Suns — Josh Jackson, Kansas forward - Great Prospect

5. Sacramento Kings — De’Aaron Fox, Kentucky point guard - Good Prospect

6. Orlando Magic — Jonathan Isaac, Florida State forward - Good Prospect

7. Chicago Bulls — Lauri Markkanen, Arizona forward - OK Prospect

8. New York Knicks — Frank Ntilinkia, France guard - Great Prospect

9. Dallas Mavericks — Dennis Smith Jr., NC State guard - Good Prospect

10. Portland Trail Blazers — Zach Collins, Gonzaga forward - Great Prospect

11. Charlotte Hornets — Malik Monk, Kentucky guard - Marginal Prospect

12. Detroit Pistons — Luke Kennard, Duke guard - Marginal Prospect

13. Utah Jazz — Donovan Mitchell, Louisville guard - OK Prospect

14. Miami Heat — Bam Adebayo, Kentucky forward - OK Prospect

15. Sacramento Kings — Justin Jackson, North Carolina guard - Marginal Prospect

16. Minnesota Timberwolves — Justin Patton, Creighton Center - OK Prospect

17. Milwaukee Bucks — D.J. Wilson, Michigan forward - Marginal Prospect

18. Indiana Pacers — T.J. Leaf, UCLA forward - OK Prospect

19. Atlanta Hawks — John Collins, Wake Forest forward - Good Prospect

20. Sacramento Kings — Harry Giles, Duke forward - Great Prospect

21. Oklahoma City Thunder — Terrance Ferguson, Australia guard - Good Prospect

22. Brooklyn Nets — Jarrett Allen, Texas center - OK Prospect

23. Toronto Raptors — OG Anunoby, Indiana forward - OK Prospect

24. Denver Nuggets — Tyler Lydon, Syracuse forward - Marginal Prospect

25.Philadelphia 76ers — Andzejs Pasecniks, Latvia center - Marginal Prospect

26. Portland Trail Blazers — Caleb Swanigan, Purdue forward - OK Prospect

27. Los Angeles Lakers — Kyle Kuzma, Utah forward - Marginal Prospect

28. Utah Jazz — Tony Bradley, North Carolina center - Great Prospect

29. San Antonio Spurs — Derrick White, Colorado guard - Marginal Prospect

30. Los Angeles Lakers –Josh Hart, Villanova guard - Marginal Prospect

A few others of note, since someone is bound to ask:

36. Philadelphia 76ers — Jonah Bolden, Australia forward - Marginal Prospect

37. Boston Celtics — Semi Ojeleye, SMU forward - Marginal Prospect

38. Golden State Warriors — Jordan Bell, Oregon forward - Marginal Prospect

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm only sharing information. These guys crunch a lot of numbers, but that doesn't guarantee anything. They only gave Trump a 23% chance of winning the day of the election. So, take any, and all, of their predictions with a grain of salt.

BNM
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Any prior years draft? Where is this info? I clicked around and couldnt find it
 
BonesJones said:
He got a lot of bullshit called against him in college when he was completely vertical. The NBA will let him get away with most of those.
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I saw Collins with the most clean block ever on Markelle Fultz who was trying to make a poster out of Collins. It was 100% clean, no contact at all. One of the best blocks I've seen.

Zach's problem is that he tries to set the tone early in the game with physicality. You need to let the opponent set the tone every once in a while and you adjust it. Instead of vice versa.

His Bball IQ is off the charts, its a little thing he'll adapt too.
 
Boob-No-More said:
I wouldn't worry about that. Who knows what algorithm they are using, but they rate Zach Collins as a "great prospect", one of the few they rate that highly outside of the top 4 picks.

Here's their subjevtive ratings for all of the 1st round picks:

1. Philadelphia 76ers — Markelle Fultz, Washington guard - Great Prospect

2. Los Angeles Lakers — Lonzo Ball, UCLA guard - Great Prospect

3. Boston Celtics — Jayson Tatum, Duke forward - Great Prospect

4. Phoenix Suns — Josh Jackson, Kansas forward - Great Prospect

5. Sacramento Kings — De’Aaron Fox, Kentucky point guard - Good Prospect

6. Orlando Magic — Jonathan Isaac, Florida State forward - Good Prospect

7. Chicago Bulls — Lauri Markkanen, Arizona forward - OK Prospect

8. New York Knicks — Frank Ntilinkia, France guard - Great Prospect

9. Dallas Mavericks — Dennis Smith Jr., NC State guard - Good Prospect

10. Portland Trail Blazers — Zach Collins, Gonzaga forward - Great Prospect

11. Charlotte Hornets — Malik Monk, Kentucky guard - Marginal Prospect

12. Detroit Pistons — Luke Kennard, Duke guard - Marginal Prospect

13. Utah Jazz — Donovan Mitchell, Louisville guard - OK Prospect

14. Miami Heat — Bam Adebayo, Kentucky forward - OK Prospect

15. Sacramento Kings — Justin Jackson, North Carolina guard - Marginal Prospect

16. Minnesota Timberwolves — Justin Patton, Creighton Center - OK Prospect

17. Milwaukee Bucks — D.J. Wilson, Michigan forward - Marginal Prospect

18. Indiana Pacers — T.J. Leaf, UCLA forward - OK Prospect

19. Atlanta Hawks — John Collins, Wake Forest forward - Good Prospect

20. Sacramento Kings — Harry Giles, Duke forward - Great Prospect

21. Oklahoma City Thunder — Terrance Ferguson, Australia guard - Good Prospect

22. Brooklyn Nets — Jarrett Allen, Texas center - OK Prospect

23. Toronto Raptors — OG Anunoby, Indiana forward - OK Prospect

24. Denver Nuggets — Tyler Lydon, Syracuse forward - Marginal Prospect

25.Philadelphia 76ers — Andzejs Pasecniks, Latvia center - Marginal Prospect

26. Portland Trail Blazers — Caleb Swanigan, Purdue forward - OK Prospect

27. Los Angeles Lakers — Kyle Kuzma, Utah forward - Marginal Prospect

28. Utah Jazz — Tony Bradley, North Carolina center - Great Prospect

29. San Antonio Spurs — Derrick White, Colorado guard - Marginal Prospect

30. Los Angeles Lakers –Josh Hart, Villanova guard - Marginal Prospect

A few others of note, since someone is bound to ask:

36. Philadelphia 76ers — Jonah Bolden, Australia forward - Marginal Prospect

37. Boston Celtics — Semi Ojeleye, SMU forward - Marginal Prospect

38. Golden State Warriors — Jordan Bell, Oregon forward - Marginal Prospect

Don't shoot the messenger. I'm only sharing information. These guys crunch a lot of numbers, but that doesn't guarantee anything. They only gave Trump a 23% chance of winning the day of the election. So, take any, and all, of their predictions with a grain of salt.

BNM
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So I'm guessing OK prospect (Swanigan) is better than marginal?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Any prior years draft? Where is this info? I clicked around and couldnt find it
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Just click on the Zach Collins link about and then type the players name into the box.

I have no idea how the calculate a player's 5-year market value, but I find the results interesting none-the-less.

For example:

Maurice Harkless = $75 million (we got a bargain!)
Meyers Leonard = $14.9 million (oopsies!)
Allen Crabbe = $6.0 million (oh shit!)
Evan Turner = -$1.0 million (he should be paying us to play here, fuck me!)

BNM
 
MickZagger said:


Havent seen this posted. Pretty good, even though Holdahl is a painful interview.
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Is it just me, or does Collins remind anyone of Fegan Floop, the villain from the Spy Kids movies?

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BNM
 
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