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Portland is actually up there with one of my favorite cities. But maybe thats cause I dont live there lol.
 
That's so sad.

:sad:

barfo
 
It's the fucking weather. No doubt about it. This would be the best place in the world to live if we had more sunshine days.

I love Portland, I really do, but I hate this weather.
 
Weather, the local economy, the unemployment rate, taxes being raised during a recession, the powerful public employees union having so much political influence, one fortune 500 company in the entire state . . . Oregon is not sitting pretty these days.
 
I travel all around this country and I can promise you this is one of the best cities around.
 
"THE" said:
I travel all around this country and I can promise you this is one of the best cities around.
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How do you explain the extremely high suicide and depression rate?

Don't get me wrong, I love Ptd and have made a home here. But Ptd has serious problems (you don't get listed in businessweek as the unhappiest city unless that city has issues)
 
it's_GO_time said:
How do you explain the extremely high suicide and depression rate?

Don't get me wrong, I love Ptd and have made a home here. But Ptd has serious problems (you don't get listed in businessweek as the unhappiest city unless that city has issues)
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That's right. Businessweek rankings are serious science.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's right. Businessweek rankings are serious science.

barfo
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Sure business week has no credibility . . . . they use those silly factors only business people care about. So clearly Ptd is going to score poorly on those tests . . . being how they don't care about business factors at all.
 
it's_GO_time said:
Sure business week has no credibility . . . . they use those silly factors only business people care about. So clearly Ptd is going to score poorly on those tests . . . being how they don't care about business factors at all.
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Business people care about the number of overcast days?

barfo
 
Maybe all the rainy gloomy days bum people out. It is still one of the cleanest and most scenic cities in this country. Wherever I am in the US, when I tell people I'm from Portland, they light up and say either they've been here and love it or have heard how beautiful it is. If the weather is going to lead you to kill yourself, you were doomed from the get go!
 
barfo said:
Business people care about the number of overcast days?

barfo
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In fact, of their criteria, I can only see unemployment and crime being of particular interest to businesspeople. I don't think divorce has much impact on most businesses, nor suicide, nor depression.

barfo
 
"THE" said:
Maybe all the rainy gloomy days bum people out. It is still one of the cleanest and most scenic cities in this country. Wherever I am in the US, when I tell people I'm from Portland, they light up and say either they've been here and love it or have heard how beautiful it is. If the weather is going to lead you to kill yourself, you were doomed from the get go!
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This year, probabaly a combination of the weather and unemployment rate would be my guess.

I'm not saying Oregon isn't beautiful . . . I'm saying it is not the most ideal situation for a couple to get situated here and start a family unless they have very secure job(s).
 
barfo said:
In fact, of their criteria, I can only see unemployment and crime being of particular interest to businesspeople. I don't think divorce has much impact on most businesses, nor suicide, nor depression.

barfo
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Is that really how you see business people?
 
it's_GO_time said:
It is a little deeper than that, they care if their employees are happy. Go figure . . .
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Just because there are marginally more suicides in PDX compared to other cities doesn't make my employees less happy. Everyone in town experiences the clouds but not everyone in town is suicidal.

barfo
 
it's_GO_time said:
Is that really how you see business people?
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You are misreading my comment. I'm saying that those factors don't influence business success. Yes, business people might care about other humans. They probably read business week to learn about business-related topics, however. This isn't one.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Just because there are marginally more suicides in PDX compared to other cities doesn't make my employees less happy. Everyone in town experiences the clouds but not everyone in town is suicidal.

barfo
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The weather is just one factor according to business week that makes Ptd an unhappy place.
 
"THE" said:
Maybe all the rainy gloomy days bum people out. It is still one of the cleanest and most scenic cities in this country. Wherever I am in the US, when I tell people I'm from Portland, they light up and say either they've been here and love it or have heard how beautiful it is. If the weather is going to lead you to kill yourself, you were doomed from the get go!
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There's a lot of truth in that statement, imho.

It does get old, but I think it's well overblown by people.
 
barfo said:
You are misreading my comment. I'm saying that those factors don't influence business success. Yes, business people might care about other humans. They probably read business week to learn about business-related topics, however. This isn't one.

barfo
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On a small level, business success is directly related to employee satisfaction or hapiness. So I'm saying those factors do concern business people . . . employee hapiness is a business related topic.
 
"THE" said:
Maybe all the rainy gloomy days bum people out. It is still one of the cleanest and most scenic cities in this country. Wherever I am in the US, when I tell people I'm from Portland, they light up and say either they've been here and love it or have heard how beautiful it is. If the weather is going to lead you to kill yourself, you were doomed from the get go!
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If you are saying these people were going to commit sucide anyways, shouldn't the sucide rate in sunny areas be jsut as high. Unless Ptd gives birth to a higher rate of "doomed" people.
 
it's_GO_time said:
On a small level, business success is directly related to employee satisfaction or hapiness. So I'm saying those factors do concern business people . . . employee hapiness is a business related topic.
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So, you going to move your business out of portland because of the suicide rate? Me neither. It's immaterial.

barfo
 
it's_GO_time said:
If you are saying these people were going to commit sucide anyways, shouldn't the sucide rate in sunny areas be jsut as high. Unless Ptd gives birth to a higher rate of "doomed" people.
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Maybe the doomed people move here, because the weather suits their clothes, yeah, yeah.

barfo
 
"THE" said:
I travel all around this country and I can promise you this is one of the best cities around.
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:check:

In fact, I love the weather. Not too hot, not too cold. I learned as a little kid that I wasn't going to melt like the Wicked Witch of the West when I got wet, so rain doesn't bother me or change what I do outside.

I live in a town much of the year with 315 days of sunshine. Blech. I'd take PDX any day.
 
also as someone who travels a lot (not as often as HCP obviously) but it is such a beautiful clean city. Anthony Kiedis talked about how nice it is here, and how you can breathe the air. I think if I had to live in a city, the only city I would choose to live in before here is NYC (obviously not for the same reasons as Portland)
 
barfo said:
So, you going to move your business out of portland because of the suicide rate? Me neither. It's immaterial.

barfo
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That always seem to be your analysis in the end. No I'm not moving because taxes were raised. Not I'm not moving the sucide rate is higher. So I guess that makes all this immaterial.

In a way most of life is immaterial. The Blazers winning or losing tonight really doesn't effect my life much (a little on the emotions, but nothing that will chage what I do) so the Blazer game is immaterial. Nothing on this board will make me change what I do . . . I guess the only thing that is material in my life (according to your standards) is winning the lottery since that is the only thing that will cause me to change my life.

Really I started gettting involved in this thread just to say that Ptd is not as rosy some say. But apparently, in light of an article that says Ptd is the unhappiest city in the US and data about sucide, deprression, divorce and weather . . . some still want to believe Ptd has no problems and is one of the best places to live.

Whatever . . . we all see Ptd different, but it all really doesn't matter how we see it if we aren't going to move. I get the don't give a shit attitude.



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Well I guess I better put down too taht I travel alot . . . and I agree Ptd is a neat, unique community. But personally I have seen cleaner cities and do we need to start talking about the river that runs right through the clean city.

I don't think even the most loyal Portlander will try to say defend taht river as being clean . . . well on this board and given the trend in this trhread, I'm guessing some will defend the river as being one of the cleanest and most beautiful they have seen.
 
I noticed a significant change in the attitudes of the Portlanders only because I was away for 6+ years in the Army... when I left everyone was nice as can be... smiled to each other... said hi... generally positive vibe. When I came back in 1992 the vibe had changed. What caused it? Hell if I know... maybe nothing... ... maybe the boatload of strip clubs and family bars that exploded onto the scene... maybe inflitration of Californians... maybe just in my head... but I do know the weather is pretty much the same.
 
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