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PCmor7 said:
The same could be said about most guards in the NBA unless they are elite defenders. I mean, a guard without the ball can't score or pass.

You have a point, though, if Harden doesn't let Westbrook have the ball. However, Westbrook can play power guard, and he's better than Paul by quite a bit at this point. I think Harden will be more likely to defer to him enough to make them extremely dangerous.
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A guard wothout the ball can create space for the guy woth the ball by being a shooting threat.

Harden shouldnt let Westbrook have the ball. Westbrool with the ball is better than Harden with the ball. But now Harden with the ball is hurt by Westbrook wothout the ball because CP3 is better off the ball that Westbrook is (due to his ability to space the floor and hit shots). Plus, Westbrook is a guy who is known for freezing out his better star teammates. How will Harden be any different?

I dont see how Westbrook/Harden/Capela is any better than Westbrook/George/Adams. The first is a little more talented but the second group is a better fit.

Depth wise, Grant and Tucker are equal. Gordon is solid but not a difference maker. They have no one else worthy of mentioning.

Houston is a slightly better 2018-2019 OKC.
 
THE HCP said:
I always get sick to my stomach with the whole, "What could have been" when I think of B-Roy, LA and Greg. The crumbling of OKC over the past 5 years makes me feel a little bit better.
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There's also the "what could have been" if Portland had drafted Kevin Durant. Aldridge and Durant alone would have been good.
 
Wtf, Morey is dumb as fuck. Killing his team's future for a disfunctional squad that will be lucky to make it passed the 1st round in a stacked west.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I don't think Presti is unhappy about turning his 1st round exit team into something like 8 first rounders and 5 swaps
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Man ... this is so sick. Why was Houston compelled to give them draft picks? Houston is taking on more salaries and a player who wanted out.
Morey is indeed an idiot.
 
AldoTrapani said:
AD left a measly 3M or so off his contract to help his team. How much is Cp going to suck up and happily give up from 140M guaranteed to him ? Would he agree to 3M like AD gave up? Hell yea he would... that’s nothing in the grand scheme of millions.
It’s going to take A LOT more than that..
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What if LeBron offered to pay part of CP3 money, if CP3 gets an unfavorable buyout?
Let's say for example, CP3 offers to take $40 millions less in a buyout. OKC will do it in a heartbeat. And LeBron talks to CP3 and pays him back $20 millions from his own money if CP3 joins the Lakers. LeBron could be a billionaire if he wanted.
Does the CBA have something to prevent this?
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Personally I would. But if I am Presti I don't really care what Paul would or not do.
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You understand the league and the guy that had the ideas for the new CBA (Paul) would never allow such things to happen. Presti would probably end without a job if they proved he said such things to a star.
 
BonesJones said:
Westbrook couldnt even fit with Durant or PG and you think he can fit with Harden? Lol. That team isnt any better.
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Facts. Russ ain't gonna change.

I've just been checking out both team's Reddits, and there are so many bandwagons moving over to Houston's fanbase that it's pathetic. OKC seems to be made up of nothing but fair weather douchebags.

TTFU? How about STFU.
 
BonesJones said:
A guard wothout the ball can create space for the guy woth the ball by being a shooting threat.

Harden shouldnt let Westbrook have the ball. Westbrool with the ball is better than Harden with the ball. But now Harden with the ball is hurt by Westbrook wothout the ball because CP3 is better off the ball that Westbrook is (due to his ability to space the floor and hit shots). Plus, Westbrook is a guy who is known for freezing out his better star teammates. How will Harden be any different?

I dont see how Westbrook/Harden/Capela is any better than Westbrook/George/Adams. The first is a little more talented but the second group is a better fit.

Depth wise, Grant and Tucker are equal. Gordon is solid but not a difference maker. They have no one else worthy of mentioning.

Houston is a slightly better 2018-2019 OKC.
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IDK. I think spacing matters, but do you need five shooters on the floor? For one, D'antoni's current offense doesn't even use any motion at all so it's fine that Russ doesn't move without the ball. Dantoni will try to sell Russ on running the show on the break (lots of easy points, Paul was too old to do this well and it's not Harden's forte either) and occasionally cutting to to the hoop off the ball on offense.

Russ isn't a shooter but he's no worse than Tucker, he just shoots so many damn contested threes. Dantoni's gonna park him in the corner on O, have him back cut the shit out of the offense and otherwise rest for open corner threes, then play hero ball with a bunch of shooters when Harden rests. I think it'll work much better than Paul and Harden did last year but who knows I guess.
 
boredinsalem said:
IDK. I think spacing matters, but do you need five shooters on the floor? For one, D'antoni's current offense doesn't even use any motion at all so it's fine that Russ doesn't move without the ball. Dantoni will try to sell Russ on running the show on the break (lots of easy points, Paul was too old to do this well and it's not Harden's forte either) and occasionally cutting to to the hoop off the ball on offense.

Russ isn't a shooter but he's no worse than Tucker, he just shoots so many damn contested threes. Dantoni's gonna park him in the corner on O, have him back cut the shit out of the offense and otherwise rest for open corner threes, then play hero ball with a bunch of shooters when Harden rests. I think it'll work much better than Paul and Harden did last year but who knows I guess.
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You're going to be seeing Westbrooks man digging hard on Harden taking away lanes, reducing Hardens effectiveness. Westbrook will alsontake the ball out of Hardens hands more than Paul did, which is a worse situation for Houston.

Westbrook is worse than Tucker. Look up their %s on open shots. Why would westbrook be able to backcut if his guy is digging correctly? It's not that simple. All thenways you said theyd use Westbrook, Paul woupdve been juts as effective at. Yet Paul knows when to defer and can actually space.
 
joeBlazers said:
What if LeBron offered to pay part of CP3 money, if CP3 gets an unfavorable buyout?
Let's say for example, CP3 offers to take $40 millions less in a buyout. OKC will do it in a heartbeat. And LeBron talks to CP3 and pays him back $20 millions from his own money if CP3 joins the Lakers. LeBron could be a billionaire if he wanted.
Does the CBA have something to prevent this?
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It still hits OKC cap. You cannot change his cap hit.
 
Oh man, can you imagine a lob city redux in Detroit if OK trades Paul to the Pistons? I'm sure Blake is thrilled.
 
joeBlazers said:
What if LeBron offered to pay part of CP3 money, if CP3 gets an unfavorable buyout?
Let's say for example, CP3 offers to take $40 millions less in a buyout. OKC will do it in a heartbeat. And LeBron talks to CP3 and pays him back $20 millions from his own money if CP3 joins the Lakers. LeBron could be a billionaire if he wanted.
Does the CBA have something to prevent this?
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Oh damn I’m sure that’s very illegal under NBA rules
 
Be afwaid.....be vewy afwaid..... :smiley-scared:



https://ripcityproject.com/2019/07/12/portland-trail-blazers-afraid-westbrook-trade/

The Portland Trail Blazers should be afraid after Westbrook trade

Following Russell Westbrook’s trade to the Rockets, the Portland Trail Blazers should be worried about the long term implications of this busy offseason.

The breaking news of the Oklahoma City Thunder trading franchise legend Russell Westbrook to the Houston Rockets is just the latest installment of a historically frantic offseason. It’s also the most recent and most glaring warning flag the Portland Trail Blazers have witnessed in the past year.......
 
Love this quote (from the aforementioned article):

“I’ve said also in the past that I want to do it here… Haven’t won a championship since ’77, the one and only, and it would just feel so much better to know that I just kept it solid and I did the work. We’ve been through sweeps and had all this stuff… We made it a step further and a step closer to what the ultimate goal is and in the end I know that if it gets done, it’ll feel much better to know that I did it in a solid way. I didn’t have to go and play with the best player just to get it done. For me, this is the way I want to do it and I know that if it don’t happen, I can live with it because I know the route that I chose, I accepted it a long time ago.”
~Damian Lillard
 
My thoughts:
  1. Sam Presti with a lot of draft picks is a very, very dangerous thing. The Thunder suddenly have a future, which sucks for me because I can't stand that team.
  2. It's really interesting watching the LA teams and Houston use up all their draft picks on the here-and-now. It seems almost inevitable that at least one of those teams will come to really, really regret it. Maybe two teams. It could be all three if Kwame and Paul continue to have injury issues. Wouldn't it be great if all these beloved media markets are crippled through most of the early 2020's with fading untradeable stars and no picks?
  3. I wonder if Houston made the decision based purely on shutting Harden the fuck up. Make him happy and hope they can make this team work.
  4. Man, I don't really see this ending well for Houston. These two guys are going to jack shots and dominate the ball like it's summer league. Normally Russ just freezes out the other star on his team in crunch time. What's he going to do when there are 4 minutes left in a close game and they inbound the ball to Harden and the Beard walks it up the court? I see Russ weirdly standing around unguarded toward the top of the key waiting to get the ball, not cutting, not stretching the defense with a three point threat, not doing anything. Just standing there waiting his turn like a commuter waiting for a bus to arrive. Good luck with that, D'Antoni. Russ and Harden have suddenly surpassed Simmons/Embiid as the most awkward paring in the NBA. It's so weird that they both have such little self-awareness that they both actually asked for it.
 
ABM said:
Love this quote (from the aforementioned article):

“I’ve said also in the past that I want to do it here… Haven’t won a championship since ’77, the one and only, and it would just feel so much better to know that I just kept it solid and I did the work. We’ve been through sweeps and had all this stuff… We made it a step further and a step closer to what the ultimate goal is and in the end I know that if it gets done, it’ll feel much better to know that I did it in a solid way. I didn’t have to go and play with the best player just to get it done. For me, this is the way I want to do it and I know that if it don’t happen, I can live with it because I know the route that I chose, I accepted it a long time ago.”
~Damian Lillard
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Other than that quote, that is probably the stupidest article I’ve seen in a long time.
 
e_blazer said:
Other than that quote, that is probably the stupidest article I’ve seen in a long time.
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I hear ya. My "afwaid" comments were very tongue-in-cheek/facetious.
 
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