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Hmm they were down 18 and came back and won? I wonder if the young Suns might have been doing some trash talking when they were up. I would not put it past Booker. Westbrook might have been putting them in their place.
 
Its pretty bush league but i'v got no problem with it.
 
BlayZa said:
tbh id be talking all kindsa shit if i just dropped a triple double of that caliber.
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Since 1983-84, there have been a total of 212 50-point games in the NBA. Russell Westrook has two of those. His performance last night was the second least efficient 50-point game in the 33 years of data available at basketball-reference.com. His other 50-point offer is the 7th most inefficient.

Here's a list of the most inefficient 50-point games of the last 33 years:

Points-Per-Shot
Chris Webber (2001) 1.09 (51 points on 47 FGA)
Russell Westbrook (2016) 1.16 (51 points on 44 FGA)
Kobe Bryant(2016) 1.20 (60 points on 50 FGA)
Kobe Bryant (2007) 1.20 (53 points on 44 FGA)
Kobe Bryant (2006) 1.22 (50 points on 41 FGA)
Allen Iverson (2000) 1.25 (50 points on 41 FGA)
Russell Westbrook (2015) 1.26 (54 points on 43 FGA)

Just for the sake of comparison, Damian Lillard also has two career 50-point games. In both of those games, Dame took 28 shots.

So, Westbrook = 105 points on 87 FGA, Lillard = 101 points on 56 shots. When he scores 50+ points, Russell Westbrook misses an additional 15.5 shots per game.

Westbrook's 17-44 = .386 FG% is the lowest FG% for any 50-point game since the NBA started tracking FGA 33 years ago.

Going 17-44 at home, in overtime, against a lottery team playing 3 teenagers hardly seems to justify that level of chest thumping.

Russell Westbrook has an opportunity for a record breaking season. He could break any, or all, of the following records:

USG% (his 2014-15 season is already the second highest in history)
Field Goal Attempts
Field Goals Missed

He could very well set the new standard for inefficient, volume scoring.

BNM
 
Rastapopoulos said:
More Westbrook love:

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here's my issue with his trash talking above. someone talks shit and you run to refs and try and get him kicked out. if you can't handle trash talk you dont get to be a dick and get away with it. now if you laugh at someone trash talking you, or go HAM on the court and talk trash back. im fine with that. but running and crying you give up your right to do it.
 
He's playing out of his mind, he's like a nymphomaniac during a steamy orgy. HIDE YOUR KIDS!
 
Boob-No-More said:
Since 1983-84, there have been a total of 212 50-point games in the NBA. Russell Westrook has two of those. His performance last night was the second least efficient 50-point game in the 33 years of data available at basketball-reference.com. His other 50-point offer is the 7th most inefficient.

Here's a list of the most inefficient 50-point games of the last 33 years:

Points-Per-Shot
Chris Webber (2001) 1.09 (51 points on 47 FGA)
Russell Westbrook (2016) 1.16 (51 points on 44 FGA)
Kobe Bryant(2016) 1.20 (60 points on 50 FGA)
Kobe Bryant (2007) 1.20 (53 points on 44 FGA)
Kobe Bryant (2006) 1.22 (50 points on 41 FGA)
Allen Iverson (2000) 1.25 (50 points on 41 FGA)
Russell Westbrook (2015) 1.26 (54 points on 43 FGA)

Just for the sake of comparison, Damian Lillard also has two career 50-point games. In both of those games, Dame took 28 shots.

So, Westbrook = 105 points on 87 FGA, Lillard = 101 points on 56 shots. When he scores 50+ points, Russell Westbrook misses an additional 15.5 shots per game.

Westbrook's 17-44 = .386 FG% is the lowest FG% for any 50-point game since the NBA started tracking FGA 33 years ago.

Going 17-44 at home, in overtime, against a lottery team playing 3 teenagers hardly seems to justify that level of chest thumping.

Russell Westbrook has an opportunity for a record breaking season. He could break any, or all, of the following records:

USG% (his 2014-15 season is already the second highest in history)
Field Goal Attempts
Field Goals Missed

He could very well set the new standard for inefficient, volume scoring.

BNM
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any of those 50pt games also triple doubles and they won?

the fact were looking at a fg% of a 50pt triple double win, just to find some angle to pick at the guy is fuckin sad imo.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Here's a list of the most inefficient 50-point games of the last 33 years:

Points-Per-Shot
Chris Webber (2001) 1.09 (51 points on 47 FGA)
Russell Westbrook (2016) 1.16 (51 points on 44 FGA)
Kobe Bryant(2016) 1.20 (60 points on 50 FGA)
Kobe Bryant (2007) 1.20 (53 points on 44 FGA)
Kobe Bryant (2006) 1.22 (50 points on 41 FGA)
Allen Iverson (2000) 1.25 (50 points on 41 FGA)
Russell Westbrook (2015) 1.26 (54 points on 43 FGA)
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Yeah, it sure does suck when your company is the likes of Kobe and AI. We know you hate Westbrook, but try to be at least a tiny bit objective.
 
handiman said:
Yeah, it sure does suck when your company is the likes of Kobe and AI. We know you hate Westbrook, but try to be at least a tiny bit objective.
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Some could attribute the lack of more/any rings for those guys to poor efficiency though. AI never won and Kobe is thought of as should have a won a couple more.

His points are valid on Westbrook. He may very well have the worst efficient MVP nod ever and OKC will be lucky to get out of the first round IF they get into the playoffs. Odds are stacked against that type of play ever taking their team deep, so whats the point. Individual accolades? Is OKC okay with that? I would think not, so his play benefits no one but himself and when its all said and done, his name will be on the low end of the greats because of this large issue. If he would just learn to play within a team concept, he would go down as THE best ever, hands down...but that takes rings, and he isn't gonna get any with his style of play.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Some could attribute the lack of more/any rings for those guys to poor efficiency though. AI never won and Kobe is thought of as should have a won a couple more.
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AI overachieved in getting a very mediocre squad to the Finals. The talk throughout his career was what #2 to pair with him. Those were not good rosters he was blessed with, but he also wasn't terribly easy to coexist with.

That's the first I've ever heard of people thinking Kobe should have won more rings than he did. Other than the revisionist failure of the Malone/Payton addition, which people conveniently forget was a heavy favorite entering the playoffs, stalled largely by injury, what more was Kobe supposed to have won? He's one of the all-time greats by any measure.

Odds are stacked against that type of play ever taking their team deep, so whats the point. Individual accolades? Is OKC okay with that? I would think not, so his play benefits no one but himself
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That's silly. Everyone knew coming into the season that it would be the Westbrook show, because he's the only legit option left. It's actually eerily similar to the last couple years of Kobe, with the Lakers saying "screw it" to team ball or even winning, going for the spectacle instead.

and when its all said and done, his name will be on the low end of the greats because of this large issue. If he would just learn to play within a team concept, he would go down as THE best ever, hands down...but that takes rings, and he isn't gonna get any with his style of play.
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Overstatement much? No one is saying Westbrook is one of the best ever, let alone THE best ever. I doubt even OKC fans go that far.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I can't hate Westbrook any more, because I don't expect much from OKC (and because his teammates seem to be entirely in his corner). But if I did, this would be fuel to the fire. (Background: OKC were down big and Westbrook was struggling. He ended up with 51/13/10):
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I can. Fuck Russell Westbrook.
 
CJ McCollum on Russell Westbrook: Now let’s talk about a guy who’s a mirror opposite of Klay. Russ is a primary ball handler who scores most of his points off the bounce. He’s a physical specimen — a freak in terms of athleticism. But he’s also got the most aggressive mentality in the league. He’s a dog. He’s always in attack mode. Defending Klay is kind of like running uphill. Defending Russ is like standing still at the bottom of a hill while Russ is barrelling down the hill at 90 miles-an-hour.
6 days ago – via The Players' Tribune
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Pretty soon players will not want to play with him and OKC will than fall out of the playoffs. Just like Kobe in LA.
 
That kind of usg and shooting is not sustainable. That's what AI found out in Philly and that's what Kobe found out in LA. The Lakers didn't win shit after Shaq left, and they didn't change that until they added Pau. You simply can't win with one guard putting up 40 shots. The Rockets are finding that out as well.
 
handiman said:
AI overachieved in getting a very mediocre squad to the Finals. The talk throughout his career was what #2 to pair with him. Those were not good rosters he was blessed with, but he also wasn't terribly easy to coexist with.

That's the first I've ever heard of people thinking Kobe should have won more rings than he did. Other than the revisionist failure of the Malone/Payton addition, which people conveniently forget was a heavy favorite entering the playoffs, stalled largely by injury, what more was Kobe supposed to have won? He's one of the all-time greats by any measure.



That's silly. Everyone knew coming into the season that it would be the Westbrook show, because he's the only legit option left. It's actually eerily similar to the last couple years of Kobe, with the Lakers saying "screw it" to team ball or even winning, going for the spectacle instead.



Overstatement much? No one is saying Westbrook is one of the best ever, let alone THE best ever. I doubt even OKC fans go that far.
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So that all equates to saying its okay for him to be so inefficient?

Overstate? I never said anyone else said it, but I do believe that If only He had learned team ball concept along side Durant, He could have put up numbers that would show him as the best ever. The numbers wouldn't change much from now, but his efficiency would. Through better decision making founded on a team ball concept and assist first, score second. That's all I'm saying.
 
Orion Bailey said:
So that all equates to saying its okay for him to be so inefficient?
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I never defended his efficiency, or lack thereof.

I do believe that If only He had learned team ball concept along side Durant, He could have put up numbers that would show him as the best ever.
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Westbrook's greatness is his relentless Alpha Dog mentality. It's also his weakness. You don't change that without changing the player. The best you can hope for is to harness the energy and channel it in a mostly positive direction. That's not the makings of one of the best players ever, no matter how much you want him to address his inefficiencies in that vein.
 
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