OT Westbrook

[Orion Bailey]

Orion Bailey said: ↑
So that all equates to saying its okay for him to be so inefficient?
I never defended his efficiency, or lack thereof.

I do believe that If only He had learned team ball concept along side Durant, He could have put up numbers that would show him as the best ever.

Handiman said:
Westbrook's greatness is his relentless Alpha Dog mentality. It's also his weakness. You don't change that without changing the player. The best you can hope for is to harness the energy and channel it in a mostly positive direction. That's not the makings of one of the best players ever, no matter how much you want him to address his inefficiencies in that vein.




Orion Bailey said: Fair enough. Still think he has everything it takes to be the greatest ever if he just learned when to take over and when not to. Guys like Jordan did it.


Edit: Shit, I cant fix this...

 

[Dougnsalem]

I've got nothing on this one.... Just an observation- you see the chick in section 102, seat G8? Dang, she looks like a model.....

Fair enough. Still think he has everything it takes to be the greatest ever if he just learned when to take over and when not to. Guys like Jordan did it.

Umm, @Orion Bailey , you do realize that quote of mine came from the caption contest #3 thread, right? Right??? Lol

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yeah, it sure does suck when your company is the likes of Kobe and AI. We know you hate Westbrook, but try to be at least a tiny bit objective.

The post you quoted is the definition of objective. It is loaded with verifiable facts (easily checked at basketball-reference.com if you think I'm making this shit up). The only thing that even borders on opinion is the closing statement:

"He could very well set the new standard for inefficient, volume scoring."

And if he continues to shoot like he is, that will become fact as well.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Umm, @Orion Bailey , you do realize that quote of mine came from the caption contest #3 thread, right? Right??? Lol

I have no idea what your talking about. Do you do drugs?

 

[Boob-No-More]

any of those 50pt games also triple doubles and they won?

the fact were looking at a fg% of a 50pt triple double win, just to find some angle to pick at the guy is fuckin sad imo.

Not sure why you find that sad. The numbers don't lie. They are what they are.

And, you know damn well that if Dame missed 27 shots in a single game (he's never come close), even if we won in overtime, at home, against one of the worst, youngest teams in the league, multiple posters here would be bitching about his inefficiency. We heard it all last season - a season in which he never attempted more 28 FGs is a game, let alone missed 27 of 44. To me, what's sad, is criticizing our own player for being inefficient is considered fair game, but criticizing a MUCH less efficient player for a division rival is "fucking sad".

So yeah, Westbrook's team won, in overtime, at home, against one of the worst teams in the league. But that's the exception, rather than the rule, when Westbrook attempts more than 30 field goals.

As someone who was taught, and still believes, basketball is a team sport, I find Westbrook's selfish, hero ball style of play offensive. And I openly admit it. He is the antithesis of a team player. He loves to play hero ball, at the expense of his team. His career is FULL of examples of him freezing out his more efficient scoring teammates in the 4th quarter of close games. He has done it for YEARS in the playoffs, even though he had a much more efficient teammate.

There is a reason OKC lost 15 games in which they led in the 4th quarter last season. His name is Russell Westbrook. There is a reason, OKC blew a 3-1 series lead over GSW in the Conference Finals. Again, Russell Westbrook. He tries to take over games, forces up ridiculously bad shots, gets stupid technicals and commits countless unforced turnovers. I don't blame KD one bit for wanting to get the hell out of OKC. I would have left too, if I was stuck wasting away the prime of my career with a ballhogging choke artist like Russell Westbrook.

So yeah, not a fan. Why the fuck should I be? He doesn't play for my team. He plays for a division rival and I LOVE to see him fail.

BNM

 

[Rastapopoulos]

What's Oscar Robertson's record for triple doubles in a season? (Yes, I know he averaged one for a whole season, but that's consistent with not getting a single triple double in a game.) Cuz Westbrook's going to break it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

It wouldn't be surprising if Westbrook, Harden and Durant were 1, 2 and 3 in PER at the end of the season. (Curry and Davis most likely to block them.) That would be a bit wistful for Presti. Oh, and Reggie Jackson will probably put up big numbers for Detroit when he comes back, just to add to it.

 

[BlayZa]

Not sure why you find that sad. The numbers don't lie. They are what they are.

And, you know damn well that if Dame missed 27 shots in a single game (he's never come close), even if we won in overtime, at home, against one of the worst, youngest teams in the league, multiple posters here would be bitching about his inefficiency. We heard it all last season - a season in which he never attempted more 28 FGs is a game, let alone missed 27 of 44. To me, what's sad, is criticizing our own player for being inefficient is considered fair game, but criticizing a MUCH less efficient player for a division rival is "fucking sad".

So yeah, Westbrook's team won, in overtime, at home, against one of the worst teams in the league. But that's the exception, rather than the rule, when Westbrook attempts more than 30 field goals.

As someone who was taught, and still believes, basketball is a team sport, I find Westbrook's selfish, hero ball style of play offensive. And I openly admit it. He is the antithesis of a team player. He loves to play hero ball, at the expense of his team. His career is FULL of examples of him freezing out his more efficient scoring teammates in the 4th quarter of close games. He has done it for YEARS in the playoffs, even though he had a much more efficient teammate.

There is a reason OKC lost 15 games in which they led in the 4th quarter last season. His name is Russell Westbrook. There is a reason, OKC blew a 3-1 series lead over GSW in the Conference Finals. Again, Russell Westbrook. He tries to take over games, forces up ridiculously bad shots, gets stupid technicals and commits countless unforced turnovers. I don't blame KD one bit for wanting to get the hell out of OKC. I would have left too, if I was stuck wasting away the prime of my career with a ballhogging choke artist like Russell Westbrook.

So yeah, not a fan. Why the fuck should I be? He doesn't play for my team. He plays for a division rival and I LOVE to see him fail.

BNM

As I didnt (and wouldn't) criticize either of them, it honestly makes no difference to me.... if people wanna get on Dame about some bs like that after dropping 50 n winning a game for us, they're fuckin sad as well.

its more the lengths people will go to to try make a win into a negative. somehow. any... how.

if that what helps you hate on him more, well, enjoy?

and tbh, if he doesnt play for you team, ignores his more efficient teammates (whom i assume you want to fail as well?), shouldnt you be happy he does what he does?

i dont really give a fuck about westbrook one way or another, but what i see is a 50pt triple double and a win. I agree his playstyle isnt team orientated, but then i wasnt really getting into a career retrospect...., but again, does anyone know the last time a 50pt triple double win happened? it's gotta be, if nothing else, a considerable and rare thing, love, hate or indifference aside.

 

[andalusian]

RW is fascinating to watch in the "bad" Kobe form - just to see a gunner with no conscious going crazy.

Kobe was lucky to have Phil Jackson to rein him in when he had great teammates next to him in Shaq/Pau. RW never had that when he played next to Durant.

 

[illmatic99]

What he's doing is just madness right now. I have a bad feeling that he's gonna burn out by January, but this is amazing.

 

[Natebishop3]

What he's doing is just madness right now. I have a bad feeling that he's gonna burn out by January, but this is amazing.

That's what I'm worried about. Dame gets burned out. He came down to earth a bit after his post-All-Star game tear.

 

[Boob-No-More]

and tbh, if he doesnt play for you team, ignores his more efficient teammates (whom i assume you want to fail as well?), shouldnt you be happy he does what he does?

Absolutely, and agree 100%. I also love to see his teammates get pissed at playing with such a selfish teammate and flee like rats leaving a sinking ship. That entire organization rubs me the wrong way, and not just because they are a division rival. I hate the way the lying owners stole the team from Seattle and I hate Westbrook's selfish brand of me first hero ball. So yes, as much as I hate Westrook's style, I love the results.

i dont really give a fuck about westbrook one way or another, but what i see is a 50pt triple double and a win. I agree his playstyle isnt team orientated, but then i wasnt really getting into a career retrospect...., but again, does anyone know the last time a 50pt triple double win happened? it's gotta be, if nothing else, a considerable and rare thing, love, hate or indifference aside.

His game last night, to me, was much more impressive than his 50 point triple double. There are probably a dozen PGs in the league right now that could score 50 on any given night, if they jacked up 44 shots.

He was much more efficient last night, getting 33 points on 11-21 FGA with 16 assists. He still had 7 TOVs, but you can get away with playing loose with the ball against these current Lakers.

OKC has had a ridiculously easy schedule so far. It almost feels like a consolation prize from the NBA for losing Durant. They've played the three youngest, three worst teams in the league. Last night on NBA Game Time, they were going on and on about how the most impressive thing about Westbrook's play is OKC's 3-0 record. Really??? Have they not been paying attention to who they've been playing. They struggled to beat PHI and then had to go into OT at home to beat PHO. Last night's 17-point home win over the Lakers is the only think they have that comes close to an "impressive" win, but come on, it's not like that Lakers are any good.

Westbrook's ball hogging hero ball may work against these young, truly bad, teams, but until OKC plays, and beats a halfway decent team, I'm not impressed.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

What he's doing is just madness right now. I have a bad feeling that he's gonna burn out by January, but this is amazing.

I think it's more likely, his teammates get tired of his ball hogging, hero ball style. Sure, they are winning now, and winning fixes most locker room problems, but wait until they start playing some real teams and losing games. A lot of his teammates are in contract years. They saw how much money FAs got this past summer. Once the team starts losing, I doubt if those guys are going to be happy getting 5 FGA/G while Westbrook is jacking up 30+.

BNM

 

[Tunchi]

I get Westbrook is inefficient but how is he ball hog when he average 10 plus assists ?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I get Westbrook is inefficient but how is he ball hog when he average 10 plus assists ?

Watch how his style of play changes in the 4th quarter. For years, he completely froze out Durant in the 4th quarter of close playoff games. That's the definition of hero ball, trying to do it all himself when the game is on the line. He completely dominates the ball, all game long, it's always in his hands. OKC doesn't have a secondary ballhandler. Every play runs through Westbrook. So, he racks up assists for the first three quarters, and then forces up bad shots, commits a shit load of TOVs and costs his team the game in the 4th quarter. OKC blew 15 4th quarter leads last season. This is a team that had Kevin Fucking Durant. How does a team with such an unguardable player blow 15 4th quarter leads? Russel "Hero Ball" Westbrook, that's how.

I'm speaking historically. This season is only 3 games old, and as I mentioned, he played much more efficiently and under control last night. In the blowout win, he didn't feel his usual impulse to revert to hero ball in the 4th quarter. If he played like that all the time, his team would win more games and I'd have to step down from my pulpit.

BNM

 

[illmatic99]

Dude, why do you hate the guy so much?

Just appreciate greatness.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dude, why do you hate the guy so much?

Just appreciate greatness.

I already stated my reasons. I believe basketball is a team sport and Westbrook is the antithesis of a team player.

Why do people hate James Harden so much? They find his style of play aesthetically offensive. I feel the same way about Westbrook.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Every year there seems to be a MLB player who flirts with .400 starting out the gate. How many are still there at the all star break?

Just sayin... Burn out is a probability.

 

[noknobs]

Dude, why do you hate the guy so much?

Just appreciate greatness.

Westbrook is a bag of dicks. Total douche.

 

[KingSpeed]

I get Westbrook is inefficient but how is he ball hog when he average 10 plus assists ?

He has the balk the whole time. Lillard shares the ball with his team and there is balk movement. You can selfishly get a lot of assists if that's your goal. Look at Rondo. He gets assists but no one likes playing with him.

 

[KingSpeed]

If Lillard gives CJ the ball to let him go one on one, Lillard is being unselfish but doesn't get an assist.

 

[Strenuus]

Dude, why do you hate the guy so much?

Just appreciate greatness.

I'm still waiting to see the true greatness.

I just see a basketball coming out of one players hand 40 times a game. I could do the same thing in my backyard with a makeshift hoop.

 

[Natebishop3]

LeBron is greatness. He basically carried the Cavs for multiple years. Basically got them to the Finals all by himself.

Westbrook is just another really good player, and extremely talented, but his attitude diminishes his overall greatness. They missed the playoffs the year that Durant was out, and I think they're going to struggle to make the 8th seed this year.

 

[Strenuus]

LeBron is greatness. He basically carried the Cavs for multiple years. Basically got them to the Finals all by himself.

Westbrook is just another really good player, and extremely talented, but his attitude diminishes his overall greatness. They missed the playoffs the year that Durant was out, and I think they're going to struggle to make the 8th seed this year.

Agreed 100% on all of this.

Westbrook is undoubtedly one of the most atheltic players right now... but that's what he'll be... he will never be "greatness". That's reserved for hall of famers or people who are already writing their hall of fame tickets (Nowitzki, Lebron to name a couple).

 

[illmatic99]

I'm still waiting to see the true greatness.

I just see a basketball coming out of one players hand 40 times a game. I could do the same thing in my backyard with a makeshift hoop.

Pretty sure you couldn't.

smh

The guy is maniacal. He goes in 6th gear for 40 mpg. Dude is not the most skilled player, nor is he the smartest, but I'd argue that he plays harder than any other star in the league. And at his usage, that is madness.

 

[Strenuus]

Pretty sure you couldn't.

smh

The guy is maniacal. He goes in 6th gear for 40 mpg. Dude is not the most skilled player, nor is he the smartest, but I'd argue that he plays harder than any other star in the league. And at his usage, that is madness.

You missed my obviousness. Also, greatness is being one of the most skilled, and usually the smarts too. So greatness should not be said with Westbrook. Maniacal, athletic, sure.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Agreed 100% on all of this.

Westbrook is undoubtedly one of the most atheltic players right now... but that's what he'll be... he will never be "greatness". That's reserved for hall of famers or people who are already writing their hall of fame tickets (Nowitzki, Lebron to name a couple).

Can you imagine what LeBron could have done with Westbrook's supporting cast? LeBron + Durant + Harden + Ibaka + me = 10-peat!!!!

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Can you imagine what LeBron could have done with Westbrook's supporting cast? LeBron + Durant + Harden + Ibaka + me = 10-peat!!!!

BNM

And that's just it.... Russ never seemed to get it. LeBron went to Miami and was totally comfortable letting Wade or Bosh take over. The fact that Westbrook couldn't co-exist with Durant is a huge black mark in my opinion.

 

[Boob-No-More]

And that's just it.... Russ never seemed to get it. LeBron went to Miami and was totally comfortable letting Wade or Bosh take over. The fact that Westbrook couldn't co-exist with Durant is a huge black mark in my opinion.

Yep, when it counted most, Westbrook was holding Durant back. I don't blame Durant one bit for getting the hell out of OKC.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Yep, when it counted most, Westbrook was holding Durant back. I don't blame Durant one bit for getting the hell out of OKC.

BNM

I think things aren't going to work out in Golden State though. I could see Klay Thompson wanting out. I think he wants to prove he can stand on his own. I imagine it has something to do with being Mychael Thompson's kid. Always in the shadow of his old man, and now he'll always be in the shadow of Curry or Durant. I think he'll want to go somewhere that he can be "The Man." They don't really need him. I think Curry/Durant/Green is a pretty damn good combo.