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can a legal scholar help me understand (on the civilian side) what the difference is between this and "discovery", that I'm pretty sure anyone is entitled to? Because if it's just a matter of classified data being talked about, President and his CoS by definition have the need-to-know and clearances, but maybe there's a legal nuance I'm not getting here.
 
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BrianFromWA said:
can a legal scholar help me understand (on the civilian side) what the difference is between this and "discovery", that I'm pretty sure anyone is entitled to? Because if it's just a matter of classified data being talked about, President and his CoS by definition have the need-to-know and clearances, but maybe there's a legal nuance I'm not getting here.
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I'm not a legal scholar, but you don't have discovery before you have charges/lawsuit. Cart before horse.

barfo
 
BrianFromWA said:
can a legal scholar help me understand (on the civilian side) what the difference is between this and "discovery", that I'm pretty sure anyone is entitled to? Because if it's just a matter of classified data being talked about, President and his CoS by definition have the need-to-know and clearances, but maybe there's a legal nuance I'm not getting here.
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If you haven't been charged with a crime I doubt you're entitled to discovery?

"I wonder if they know about all of my crimes or just some of them, I'm going to go down there and make them show me what they have."
 
barfo said:
I'm not a legal scholar, but you don't have discovery before you have charges/lawsuit. Cart before horse.

barfo
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Well if you don't have charges, then this becomes the question of whether the President and his CoS have a need to know about classified information about what went on with respect to his campaign and whether or not the DOJ/FBI placed informants on it. And the answer is "yes" to that. So what's the problem?
 
BrianFromWA said:
Well if you don't have charges, then this becomes the question of whether the President and his CoS have a need to know about classified information about what went on with respect to his campaign and whether or not the DOJ/FBI placed informants on it. And the answer is "yes" to that. So what's the problem?
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The answer is not yes to that, unless you think the president is above the law.

barfo
 
What do you think his 'need to know' is, anyway?

barfo
 
barfo said:
What do you think his 'need to know' is, anyway?

barfo
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There's a few in play...

1) Head of the Executive Branch
2) Potentially the victim of campaign spying
3) Foreign relations impact of intel (or counter intel)

among others...why do you think he shouldn't, especially if no charges have been filed? I mean, Mueller's missteps aren't exempt from being exploited.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How much is Don Jrs bail going to be.
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Depends on if they get a crooked (R) judge or a crooked (D) one...

And do ankle monitors still work in Russia.
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They do, but the Russians have ways around ankle monitoring devices
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BrianFromWA said:
There's a few in play...

1) Head of the Executive Branch
2) Potentially the victim of campaign spying
3) Foreign relations impact of intel (or counter intel)

among others...why do you think he shouldn't, especially if no charges have been filed? I mean, Mueller's missteps aren't exempt from being exploited.
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1) Does the head of the executive branch have a need to know EVERYTHING? If so, why hasn't he learned anything at all so far?
2) Victims (or more relevantly, criminals) don't have the right to view ongoing investigation data
3) This one you might have a case on, if it wasn't the fact that he's the subject of the investigation himself.

Why do I think he shouldn't? For the same reason the FBI doesn't share information on ongoing investigations with any other mob bosses.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Actually not true, your cynicism has gotten the better of you.

Also, there are different degrees of corruption. This is easily the most corrupt administration in the last century or so.

barfo
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barfo said:
The answer is not yes to that, unless you think the president is above the law.

barfo
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Unlike you, I don't think the FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, or any other agency or department UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PRESIDENT AND FULLY ACCOUNTABLE TO CONGRESS is above the law.
 
MARIS61 said:
Unlike you, I don't think the FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, or any other agency or department UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PRESIDENT AND FULLY ACCOUNTABLE TO CONGRESS is above the law.
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No, that isn't the case. Mueller isn't the judge. He's just the investigator.

barfo
 
tlongII said:
Yes. Doesn't come close to comparing.
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You're right about that. Clinton fooled around with a cigar and a blow job. Trump probably both got one of his sexual encounters pregnant as well as committed so many acts of treason that I fear no one, including Mueller, can count them all. Yep, not even comparable.

Edit: Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and a graduate in law, Trump ran the highly touted Trump University. LOL
 
Lanny said:
You're right about that. Clinton fooled around with a cigar and a blow job from an intern in the Oval Office. Trump probably both got one of his sexual encounters pregnant as well as committed so many acts of treason that I fear no one, including Mueller, can count them all. Yep, not even comparable.

Edit: Clinton was a Rhodes scholar and a graduate in law, Trump ran the highly touted Trump University. LOL
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FIFY
 
Meet up at the Mt. Tabor Men's Wearhouse?

barfo
 
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