What a great country we live in! Couple fined for not hosting same-sex marriage

[Natebishop3]

My religion says that I can hate stupid people.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I'm holding my transsexual wedding at a mosque.

 

[magnifier661]

I bet they wouldn't sue a Muslim venue

 

[MarAzul]

Merriam Webster Wife

1 a dial : woman
b : a woman acting in a specified capacity —used in combination <fishwife>

2 : a female partner in a marriage


Same dictionary Definition of Wed (listed as a synonym of Married)

1 : to take for wife or husband by a formal ceremony : marry

Synonym
man and wife

Somebody cleaned up the "Married" definition.
The lack of definition there could be the joining of a turkey and duck.

 

[MarAzul]

I bet they wouldn't sue a Muslim venue

Ha! They already would have lost their head.

 

[barfo]

I'm holding my transsexual wedding at a mosque.

A farm is not a mosque (or a church).

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

A farm is not a mosque (or a church).

barfo

In this case, it's a religious family's home.

Private property. Does not belong to your politburo.

 

[MarAzul]

That would be great, if that was true. Unfortunately there are a whole lot of laws and tax rules that involve marriage. Get rid of all of those, and you can define marriage however you want.

barfo

See what happens when you have government fucking around in stuff that should be free of government? US tax law began less than 100 years ago and as you point out, they have really fucked it up

 

[barfo]

In this case, it's a religious family's home.

Private property. Does not belong to your politburo.

They've made it a business. So they have to obey the same rules as other businesses. It's not that complicated.

barfo

 

[barfo]

See what happens when you have government fucking around in stuff that should be free of government? US tax law began less than 100 years ago and as you point out, they have really fucked it up

Yes, although laws about marriage predate the US tax laws.
But I agree, government should get out of the marriage business altogether.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

They've made it a business. So they have to obey the same rules as other businesses. It's not that complicated.

barfo

It's their home. Not at all as simple as you make it.

 

[barfo]

It's their home. Not at all as simple as you make it.

They weren't forced to make it a place of business. They freely chose to.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/husband

n.
1. A man joined to a another person in marriage; a male spouse.
2. Chiefly British A manager or steward, as of a household.
3. Archaic

See #1.

Merrim-Webster:

the male partner in a marriage

You did notice the singular male?

 

[Denny Crane]

They weren't forced to make it a place of business. They freely chose to.

barfo

It's still their home. No matter how you pretend it isn't.

 

[Denny Crane]

You did notice the singular male?

Married to anther person. That might be any sort of person, not specifically female.

 

[barfo]

It's still their home. No matter how you pretend it isn't.

Ok, it's their home. So what?

So if I live upstairs from my restaurant I don't have to serve blacks?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok, it's their home. So what?

So if I live upstairs from my restaurant I don't have to serve blacks?

barfo

Your analogy is weak. You don't live IN the restaurant. The restaurant has a parking lot that the public may not freely use. They have the right to tow your car.

 

[MarAzul]

Married to anther person. That might be any sort of person, not specifically female.

the male partner in a marriage

 

[Denny Crane]

the male partner in a marriage

Two "the male partners" in some marriages. Get used to it.

 

[MarAzul]

Two "the male partners" in some marriages. Get used to it.

So we are changing the meaning of the word. Nice of you to fess up.

 

[Denny Crane]

Merriam-Webster definition of marriage:

: the relationship that exists between a husband and a wife

: a similar relationship between people of the same sex

: a ceremony in which two people are married to each other

 

[barfo]

Your analogy is weak. You don't live IN the restaurant. The restaurant has a parking lot that the public may not freely use. They have the right to tow your car.

I don't think the farm people sell marriage ceremonies to be held in their bedroom. And even if they did, should that exempt them from all laws?

Who is 'they' that will tow my car from the parking lot of my restaurant? I'm unclear on your point there.

barfo

 

[barfo]

So we are changing the meaning of the word. Nice of you to fess up.

Is there something wrong with changing the meaning of words? And if there is, wouldn't that pretty much eliminate the English language (and probably all human languages)?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think the farm people sell marriage ceremonies to be held in their bedroom. And even if they did, should that exempt them from all laws?

Who is 'they' that will tow my car from the parking lot of my restaurant? I'm unclear on your point there.

barfo

It's their back yard. "Their" being a pretty important word. It implies property rights.

If you accept payment one time to have a friend's marriage in your yard, can everyone else sue you if you refuse them?

Property rights matter a whole lot.

 

[barfo]

It's their back yard. "Their" being a pretty important word. It implies property rights.

It's my restaurant (or B&B, if you insist that I live "in" the restaurant).

If you accept payment one time to have a friend's marriage in your yard, can everyone else sue you if you refuse them?

No. But if you accept all the available business from white people, or straight people, and turn away the blacks or gays, then yes, you can be sued.

Property rights matter a whole lot.

Sure. But they aren't the only thing that matters.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

It's my restaurant (or B&B, if you insist that I live "in" the restaurant).



No. But if you accept all the available business from white people, or straight people, and turn away the blacks or gays, then yes, you can be sued.

Property rights matter a whole lot.

Sure. But they aren't the only thing that matters.

barfo[/QUOTE]

Readers know that I’ve come to support same-sex marriage. But I can’t understand why clergymen and -women are free in New York to opt out of joining in marriage homosexual couples, but the law gives not a lick of respect to non-ordained people of faith.

That's from the OP, and correct.

 

[Natebishop3]

The gays are ruining this already shitty country!


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[barfo]

Readers know that I’ve come to support same-sex marriage. But I can’t understand why clergymen and -women are free in New York to opt out of joining in marriage homosexual couples, but the law gives not a lick of respect to non-ordained people of faith.

That's from the OP, and correct.

So, everyone should be allowed to ignore whatever laws they want to, if they claim it is for religious reasons?

Or just Christians?

My religion says it's ok to take an enormous amount of drugs and drive my car 150mph on crowded city streets. You'll defend my right to do so, correct? After all, it's my religion!

barfo

 

[magnifier661]

So, everyone should be allowed to ignore whatever laws they want to, if they claim it is for religious reasons?

Or just Christians?

My religion says it's ok to take an enormous amount of drugs and drive my car 150mph on crowded city streets. You'll defend my right to do so, correct? After all, it's my religion!

barfo

No, there is a religion that is free to partake in ayahuasca in New Mexico (schedule 1 drug). There is another religion in Arizona that can partake in peyote ceremonies as well.

Those religions aren't Christian.

Next?

 

[barfo]

No, there is a religion that is free to partake in ayahuasca in New Mexico (schedule 1 drug). There is another religion in Arizona that can partake in peyote ceremonies as well.

Those religions aren't Christian.

Next?

You are focusing on the (admittedly half-assed) example rather than the actual point.

Can any/all laws be broken if someone claims a religious reason to do so?

If not, where do you draw the line?

barfo