What about Ariza this summer?

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Trevor Ariza will become an unrestricted free agent this summer and is one of the Lakers' top off-season priorities.

He makes $3.1 million this season and might be able to at least double his salary with his new contract.

RealGM Note: Ariza is ranked 90th in season FIC and with a Reina Value of +152%, he 'deserves' to make almost $8 million.
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He is #11 in PER for small forwards. Physical, not a big time scorer, but is a good defender getting 5 reb, 1.5 stl, 2 asst, in 24 minutes.

It sure would be fun to take him away from the L@kers.
 
He is gonna resign with the Lakers. Lakers are willing to pay for him and he will be starting for a championship caliber team...

Stop mentioning him dammit
 
Not interested. He's a product of the triangle. I think our SFs are better, just not producing the same because of our stagnant defense.
 
DaRizzle said:
He is gonna resign with the Lakers. Lakers are willing to pay for him and he will be starting for a championship caliber team...

Stop mentioning him dammit
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hehe.

What's the matter Rizzle, getting a little warm in here for you?

In any case I tend to agree that the lakers will find some way to retain him ... but if they don't then I'd be all over that; an Ariza/Batum pairing would be great defensively.
 
He isn't the "big splash" KP seems to be shooting for, so I doubt Portland would go after him.
 
Ariza's best numbers are defensive, so I don't see how that could be a product of the triangle. If Batum could get stronger and more experienced, he brings more to the table than Ariza has. However, Ariza could step in right now about be a solid defender/glue guy. Batum may take another year or so.

For my L@ker boy DaRizzle, the L@kers may not pony up the money for him if the bidding gets high enough.

I'm not sure I would take him either. However, he is a free agent this summer and does have experience and skills at a position where we could use some help.
 
How much of an upgrade is he over someone like Batum, who plays similarly, but is younger?

I would sign him though, just to fuck with the Lakers.
 
Ariza forced himself into the Lakers rotation last year by heart alone. The dude was flying all over the place on the offensive and defensive end. He had an ugly J but it went in more than you expected. The Lakers told him to work on his J in the offseason because they had big plans for him. He improved it dramatically this summer.

The part where he shines is his defense. He seriously is one of the elite defenders in the league right now. He has been much better than Kobe in that regard this year. He will steal passes that you thought he would have no chance in hell at. The dude has such fast hands. Also, this is the first year in his career where he has been asked to shoot...He is only gonna get better with time
 
Ariza would be a big upgrade from Webster (not Batum, Batum stays no matter what, is what I think will happen) - so Portland trying to get him makes sense. Worst that could happen - the Lakers overpay to keep him? That's OK too.
 
DaRizzle said:
Ariza forced himself into the Lakers rotation last year by heart alone. The dude was flying all over the place on the offensive and defensive end. He had an ugly J but it went in more than you expected. The Lakers told him to work on his J in the offseason because they had big plans for him. He improved it dramatically this summer.

The part where he shines is his defense. He seriously is one of the elite defenders in the league right now. He has been much better than Kobe in that regard this year. He will steal passes that you thought he would have no chance in hell at. The dude has such fast hands. Also, this is the first year in his career where he has been asked to shoot...He is only gonna get better with time
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He has gone from about 0% on his three to 33% this year on more than one attempt per game.

He also is 11th in PER for small forwards, but doesn't have much of an offensive game. That should tell you how good his defense is.
 
Reep said:
He has gone from about 0% on his three to 33% this year on more than one attempt per game.

He also is 11th in PER for small forwards, but doesn't have much of an offensive game. That should tell you how good his defense is.
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PER doesn't measure defense.
 
AmirIcon said:
Not interested. He's a product of the triangle. I think our SFs are better, just not producing the same because of our stagnant defense.
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He was better with Orlando than he is now with LA. Orlando doesn't run the triangle.
 
I said to watch out for Ariza (if he could stay healthy) this summer.

He has been on my list of backup plans since that time.

Masbee said:
Third, you don't TRADE for guys like Raja Bell - unless they are minor parts of multi-player packages. If you want guys like that, you sign them in the off-season. Bell caliber players can be picked up for the MLE or less most summers.

If the Blazers wanted a Bell-like player, a much better target is Trevor Ariza.

He is a free agent this summer, and Buss WILL NOT match a long contract, which would cost him DOUBLE due to luxury tax. Buss won't think Ariza is worth $10mil per year.

Kill two birds with one stone - weaken (by a little bit) a rival, and get a wing stopper - one who is a lot younger than Bell.

Not ideal. Really want a higher caliber player to be a clear-cut starter at the 3, but options appear to be dwindeling.

Not saying I want this to be the result, but if KP found a way to make the big roster upgrade at the 1 spot, was able to lure Ariza as a free agent this summer, the team could sit down Rudy, Batum and Ariza and explain that the player that provided the best blend of defense and space creating long-ball offense would get the bulk of the minutes. Rudy works on defense, Batum hits the weights, and Trevor shoots jumpers all summer.
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http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133982
 
I'd be pretty happy with an Ariza signing. If Childress is healthy, I like Childress more, but Ariza would be a pretty good fall-back option, if he can be lured away from LA.

His PER is solid because he's a pretty efficient scorer and rebounds well for a wing. Combine that with his very good defense, and he'd make a very nice starter for the team. When/if Batum surpasses him, Ariza would be a great luxury as a reserve.
 
I've been throwing Ariza's name out there for a while now, but I don't see any way that he leaves the Lakers. He went to UCLA, and gets to play a significant role on a contender. And they can match whatever salary we offer to keep him. So...

But yeah he and Sessions were two guys I was targeting but I doubt we'll get either one. Frustrating.
 
Cake said:
He was better with Orlando than he is now with LA. Orlando doesn't run the triangle.
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Then why was he traded for scrubs? He's always been a good defensive player but his offensive production is a result of Phil's offense and Kobe.
 
Ariza isn't likely only because Buss is actually willing to pay for him. Buss is willing to pay $100M including lux taxes yearly, so Ariza can be resigned to an MLE deal pretty easily and be guaranteed a starting position in LA. Born and raised in LA, played for UCLA, is very comfortable on the Lakers, etc. Just too many things going for him in LA. Portland would have to offer a full MLE deal, which is all they can give, and Buss would have to lowball him, for Ariza to become a Blazer. I don't see it happening unless they prioritize resigning LO over Ariza. I don't see LO pushing out Ariza by making exorbitant contract demands, but anything is possible I suppose.
 
EHL said:
Ariza isn't likely only because Buss is actually willing to pay for him. Buss is willing to pay $100M including lux taxes yearly, so Ariza can be resigned to an MLE deal pretty easily and be guaranteed a starting position in LA. Born and raised in LA, played for UCLA, is very comfortable on the Lakers, etc. Just too many things going for him in LA. Portland would have to offer a full MLE deal, which is all they can give, and Buss would have to lowball him, for Ariza to become a Blazer. I don't see it happening unless they prioritize resigning LO over Ariza. I don't see LO pushing out Ariza by making exorbitant contract demands, but anything is possible I suppose.
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I agree. Ariza would be a nice complementary player to pick up, but I don't see him going anywhere.
 
^ Didn't know he was born in Florida. I assumed so because he went to Westchester High, which is as LA as you can get.
 
AmirIcon said:
Then why was he traded for scrubs? He's always been a good defensive player but his offensive production is a result of Phil's offense and Kobe.
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Ariza's PER has been slightly better in LA, but it was pretty good the full season before he was traded, too.

I've been arguing off and on about Ariza since he was a Knick and I pointed out that he was as good a prospect as Outlaw (and younger, to boot!).

He'd be a significant upgrade at the small forward spot, but I expect Batum to be his peer in the next couple of years, so I'm not sure investing more-than-MLE money makes sense.

Ed O.
 
We'll only take him if he gets a cool crown tattoo just like Kobe on his arm. That would be THUG. Just what the Blazers are looking for.
 
Reep said:
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He is #11 in PER for small forwards. Physical, not a big time scorer, but is a good defender getting 5 reb, 1.5 stl, 2 asst, in 24 minutes.

It sure would be fun to take him away from the L@kers.
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The reason I wouldn't want him is we do not need a cheap shot artist making us look like A-Holes. The Lakers have him and Odem and Kobe (likes to rape hotel workers). Ariza fits in well there.
 
Batum is better than him, is younger than him, has a higher ceiling and will continue to be better than him as the years go by.

It would be silly to get Ariza to simply be a backup... unless its going to be a star quality SF, i'd rather let Nicolas man teh SF position.
 
Um...yeah...

Something tells me we won't be SPAM on Ariza this summer.
 
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