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I will answer all posts directed at me.

1. I never catorgorised an entire religion as terrorists.

2. Islam may preach peace. That's fine. I accept that, but clearly if Terrorists are doing this in the name of Allah, they either do not understand the Qua'ran (sp?) or have some sort of bizarro Qua'ran. I doubt they say Islam just for fun either way.

3. Regardless of how or why Terrorists use Islam as a reason, I really do not think anyone can claim 'Islam is Peace' even if that is the first 3 words in the holy book when there are these extremists around.

4. I absolutely DO NOT think all Muslims are terrorists BUT I think Islam is fundamentally flawed (as all religions are don't get me wrong) if the message is peace, yet others read it to kill in the name of Allah or whatever they do.

5. I am not American. And I do not hate Muslims or Islam.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree 100% with what Monty is saying. We are basically saying the same thing. It's just that I said Afghanistan only while it happens in a lot of other countries too.

The parts I bolded are exactly what I said in my other post. I dont get why your telling me to pay attention to Monty's post when we said about the same thing.</div>

I'm writing that you pay attention because I wrote a lot of this information in my first post on the first page and you missed it along with other portions. I figured Monty was helping you out. No worries, here was my original post.

<div class="quote_poster">M Two One Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">People that think this religion is evil and all that crap are just clueless and careless. That's alright, you don't have to care. I'm not religious myself and I don't practice or follow any, but I learn what I can. Those extemist Islamic people don't even know much about their own religion obviously. Why? Well, I clearly remember reading that you're allowed to kill your enemies, but not any innocent. What do the Islamic terrorists mostly do? Kill the innocent. Doesn't even make any sense, they're just lost and brainwashed. They believe that if they die for their causes that virgin women will await them in the afterlife. Right, right.</div>
 
The Hadith take deep interpretation to fully understand. That's why it's advised to read the Hadith along with the explanations. Also, there are different level's of Hadith. Some are weighted more over the others because of their authenticity. This would be a very long, long discussion and my knowledge isn't that great as well, so I'll refrain from going into detail. However, if anyone is interested I can go do some research and ask around to get a good explanation.

I-Miss-Mj:
I understand your point of do, I really do. But it's still unfair to judge Islam in such a way. These extremists don't have a different Quran, they just have different people giving them the explanation of things. Again, the lack of education comes up. The people carrying out these acts are not very educated and therefore their minds are manipulated easily. They are made to think that this is what Allah wants. He wants us to go "kill the enemy". The Quran says to defend yourself and fight the enemy. Never does it say to kill innocent people.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They are made to think that this is what Allah wants. He wants us to go "kill the enemy". The Quran says to defend yourself and fight the enemy. Never does it say to kill innocent people.</div>

That's exactly what I put in my first post.
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<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Islam is a religion of peace.</div>
Religion and peace should never be in the same sentence. It's like saying Hitler and Jesus were BFF. You people need to be educated away from your books. Realize the light inside yourselves, not inside some forged text.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Kidd Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
All religions have flaws....but Islam takes it to a whole new level. Not trying to offend anyone, but that's how it is.
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How so? Because a bunch of idiots do bad things, it doesn't mean the religion is full of flaws.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Religion and peace should never be in the same sentence. It's like saying Hitler and Jesus were BFF. You people need to be educated away from your books. Realize the light inside yourselves, not inside some forged text.</div>

I agree with this sentiment. That fact that one of the greatest humanitarians that our world has ever known (Gandhi) was killed in the name of religion by a man who didn't like the idea of him preaching peace between Hindus and Muslims should say it all.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How so? Because a bunch of idiots do bad things, it doesn't mean the religion is full of flaws.</div>
Please explain to me with factual evidence the validity of religion. I'm dying to know.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How so? Because a bunch of idiots do bad things, it doesn't mean the religion is full of flaws.</div>He might be referring to post #23, about the punishment for leaving Islam, stealing, being drunk, and a man and woman not being allowed to be alone together.

Or other Bukhari authentic traditions:

Mohammed believes women are deficient in intelligence and religion:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." </div>

Mohammed took the land the Jews owned in Khaibar, and then said they could only use it if they gave him half of its yield.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 3, Book 44, Number 678:

Narrated Abdullah:

Allah's Apostle rented the land of Khaibar to the Jews on the condition that they would work on it and cultivate it and take half of its yield. </div>

Mohammed taught that stones will betray the Jews hiding behind them. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' " </div>

No muslim should be killed for killing an infidel.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 4, Book 52, Number 283:

Narrated Abu Juhaifa:

I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." </div>

If someone tries to walk in front of a muslim while praying, Mohammed taught that if he persists in trying to pass, the muslim should fight with him to stop him.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Volume 4, Book 54, Number 495:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

The Prophet said, "If while you are praying, somebody intends to pass in front of you, prevent him; and should he insist, prevent him again; and if he insists again, fight with him (i.e. prevent him violently e.g. pushing him violently), because such a person is (like) a devil."...</div>
http://www.isna.net/services/library/hadith/bukhari/
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Please explain to me with factual evidence the validity of religion. I'm dying to know.</div>

Just read their books. The Bible, the Qur'an, the Torah. All of them say a bunch of stuff, but you usually follow the on you believe in most and or agree with the rules. To me, most of the things that are said in the Qu'ran. I agree more with Islamic stuff than I do with Christiany, Hinduism, Judaism, and all of the other religions. Plus I have learned alot more upon Islam with my parents enrolling me in some classes that teach religion.

What religion are you Sasha (if any) and why did you choose to follow it?
 
Look at it from our perspective. Do we see people from any other religion pull the same bullshit to the scale of what these terrosrists have done lately? Why is it that all the conflicts in the world (for the most part) occur in the middle east? I'm not counting Africa because the nations there are under-developed and the conflicts aren't based on religion. Before you call people ignorant or stupid, try to look at it from their perspective.
 
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look at it from our perspective. Do we see people from any other religion pull the same bullshit to the scale of what these terrosrists have done lately? Why is it that all the conflicts in the world (for the most part) occur in the middle east? I'm not counting Africa because the nations there are under-developed and the conflicts aren't based on religion. Before you call people ignorant or stupid, try to look at it from their perspective.</div>

Ok. You know what, since we are trying to make people look from other peoples' perspectives, how about this..

Black people cause the most bullshit (crimes & problems) in the US. Why the hell is racism wrong, then?

I mean, ****ing look from our perspectives. So many people I know have had **** stolen from a black guy. So many people I know have had family members killed by a black guy. So many women I know have taken lots of **** from black women. Black people have the worst attitudes.

Why do black people cause the most crimes, problems, and EVERY LITTLE bad thing in United States? (counter question to your "why do all problems exist in Middle East?") ...

Btw, if you want the answer to it. Its because they've got OIL.

So next time you call someone racist, look at it from their point of view.

In the end, whats right is right, whats wrong is wrong. Because I know black people that are nicer than any other people I've ever met.
 
<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Look at it from our perspective. Do we see people from any other religion pull the same bullshit to the scale of what these terrosrists have done lately? Why is it that all the conflicts in the world (for the most part) occur in the middle east? I'm not counting Africa because the nations there are under-developed and the conflicts aren't based on religion. Before you call people ignorant or stupid, try to look at it from their perspective.</div>

I'm not really too keen on the divisions that religions establish among human beings (cause in the end, that's what we all are), but look at it like this. These terrorists organizations are but a small portion of the Muslim population of the world. Basically, they are extremists. There are Hindu extremists as well, who I'm sure cause their own troubles. There is also something called "Christian terrorism", which is "religious terrorism executed with the intent of 'propagating the faith': furthering Christian beliefs, principles, or practices by disseminating information and sanctioning convictions often through aggressive use of force, extreme violence, harassment, and intimidation."

Yes, Christians haven't gone to the point to target a economical structure in a major country, but extremists exist in all religions. I think it's unfair to point out just one religion that is moreso scrutnized by the media and say "who else pulls the same bullshit?".

Pakman's race example actually makes sense. Taking it into context, the media portrays the "black male" to be the primary cause of crime in the United States. Does that mean that because a portion of the black community does this, no males of other races pull the "same bullshit"? Does it mean all black males are like that?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Pakman's race example actually makes sense. Taking it into context, the media portrays the "black male" to be the primary cause of crime in the United States. Does that mean that because a portion of the black community does this, no male of other races pull the "same bullshit"? Does it mean all black males are like that?</div>

Exactly. The media is what makes people like Blacks, Hispanics, and Middle Easterns look like the enemies of the United States.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Ok. You know what, since we are trying to make people look from other peoples' perspectives, how about this..

Black people cause the most bullshit (crimes & problems) in the US. Why the hell is racism wrong, then?

I mean, ****ing look from our perspectives. So many people I know have had **** stolen from a black guy. So many people I know have had family members killed by a black guy. So many women I know have taken lots of **** from black women. Black people have the worst attitudes.

Why do black people cause the most crimes, problems, and EVERY LITTLE bad thing in United States? (counter question to your "why do all problems exist in Middle East?") ...

Btw, if you want the answer to it. Its because they've got OIL.

So next time you call someone racist, look at it from their point of view.

In the end, whats right is right, whats wrong is wrong. Because I know black people that are nicer than any other people I've ever met.</div>

Sorry, but you're way off base with this conclusion. You live in Houston, so obviously you're familiar with Enron. Maybe you've had some bad experiences with black people, but when you compare stealing a few small things, to the BILLIONS of dollars Enron stole, you tell me who causes more bullshit?
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry, but you're way off base with this conclusion. You live in Houston, so obviously you're familiar with Enron. Maybe you've had some bad experiences with black people, but when you compare stealing a few small things, to the BILLIONS of dollars Enron stole, you tell me who causes more bullshit?</div>

Enron is a company. Im talking about everyday hardships people face. Everyday BS people have to take.

If you want to talk major, then ... Muslims aint done jack. Lets all just point at Hitler and be like "omg he killed 7 million people" ... "what my people did aint nothing.... "
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok. You know what, since we are trying to make people look from other peoples' perspectives, how about this..

Black people cause the most bullshit (crimes & problems) in the US. Why the hell is racism wrong, then?

I mean, ****ing look from our perspectives. So many people I know have had **** stolen from a black guy. So many people I know have had family members killed by a black guy. So many women I know have taken lots of **** from black women. Black people have the worst attitudes.

Why do black people cause the most crimes, problems, and EVERY LITTLE bad thing in United States? (counter question to your "why do all problems exist in Middle East?") ...

Btw, if you want the answer to it. Its because they've got OIL.

So next time you call someone racist, look at it from their point of view.

In the end, whats right is right, whats wrong is wrong. Because I know black people that are nicer than any other people I've ever met.</div>
Hopefully you don't believe this fallacious nonsense...
 
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Enron is a company. Im talking about everyday hardships people face. Everyday BS people have to take.

If you want to talk major, then ... Muslims aint done jack. Lets all just point at Hitler and be like "omg he killed 7 million people" ... "what my people did aint nothing.... "</div>

What's the difference? Enron is a company who's decisions are made by a small group, on the board of directors. The majority of them were white.

You're generalizing about black people causing the most b.s., which I don't agree with.

You're being a complete hypocrite. You don't like people generalizing muslims, yet you want to generalize black people?

Don't let a few jackasses have such an influence on you. There's always going to be a bad group of individuals, but they don't represent an entire race or culture.
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What's the difference? Enron is a company who's decisions are made by a small group, on the board of directors. The majority of them were white.

You're generalizing about black people causing the most b.s., which I don't agree with.

You're being a complete hypocrite. You don't like people generalizing muslims, yet you want to generalize black people?

Don't let a few jackasses have such an influence on you. There's always going to be a bad group of individuals, but they don't represent an entire race or culture.</div>

I'm not generalizing black people. I was just trying to show XSV why he was wrong. Because many people I know dislike black people like that, and the same happens the other way around, many Americans dislike Muslims because of few people.

My point of that post was why people dont like black people sometimes and thats wrong, and thats what XSV was doing - GENERALIZING. No, I have nothing against black people. Infact; at school, I have more black friends than other races.
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What's the difference? Enron is a company who's decisions are made by a small group, on the board of directors. The majority of them were white.

You're generalizing about black people causing the most b.s., which I don't agree with.

You're being a complete hypocrite. You don't like people generalizing muslims, yet you want to generalize black people?

Don't let a few jackasses have such an influence on you. There's always going to be a bad group of individuals, but they don't represent an entire race or culture.</div>

I'm not generalizing black people. I was just trying to show XSV why he was wrong. Because many people I know dislike black people like that, and the same happens the other way around, many Americans dislike Muslims because of few people.

My point of that post was why people dont like black people sometimes and thats wrong, and thats what XSV was doing - GENERALIZING. No, I have nothing against black people. Infact; at school, I have more black friends than other races.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have more black friends than other races.</div>

reverse racism?
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just joking
 
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not generalizing black people. I was just trying to show XSV why he was wrong. Because many people I know dislike black people like that, and the same happens the other way around, many Americans dislike Muslims because of few people.

My point of that post was why people dont like black people sometimes and thats wrong, and thats what XSV was doing - GENERALIZING. No, I have nothing against black people. Infact; at school, I have more black friends than other races.</div>
So are you saying this is true or false?

"Black people cause the most bullshit (crimes & problems) in the US. Why the hell is racism wrong, then?"
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Don't let a few jackasses have such an influence on you. There's always going to be a bad group of individuals, but they don't represent an entire race or culture.</div>

This is what I've been trying to say throughout this thread.

Pakman, it really is unfair to point out a certain group of people who are doing wrong. We really shouldn't single out those individuals. It's the society as a whole that contributes to these crimes. White people cause the same amount of trouble as black people, the same goes for brown people. I think we can agree that the media influences people's decisions and thoughts about a certain group. They give names such as "Islamists" and "Islamic Terrorists". Did anyone call the Virginia Tech shooter an "Asian Terrorist"?

Why add the word "Islam" in front? Just because the people causing terror are Muslims? What if it were Jews or Christians? "Jewish Terrorists" or "Christian Terrorists"? Would that be fair?
 
Overall, its a peaceful religon as all religons are. However, I find there are some things I don't agree with, such as "an eye for an eye." Also, I think (hopefully someone can confirm if this is true or not) that the Qu'ran says that if you make it to heaven, you'll get 72 virgins?
 
Islam like any religion is something that needs to be studied in a historical context to understand certain passeges throughout the Quran....learning about the life of Mohammed explains a lot.....at least it did to me when I considered myself a Muslim.
 
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Islam like any religion is something that needs to be studied in a historical context to understand certain passeges throughout the Quran....learning about the life of Mohammed explains a lot.....at least it did to me when I considered myself a Muslim.</div>

You told me once but I forgot, how come your not Muslim anymore?
 
^^^for different reasons...I didn't agree with the Quran 100%...don't get me wrong I was in somewhat of a peaceful state over the time period when I was learning about Islam and when I was actually a muslim, but my spiritual intuition just said it wasn't for me.
 
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Islam like any religion is something that needs to be studied in a historical context to understand certain passeges throughout the Quran....learning about the life of Mohammed explains a lot.....at least it did to me when I considered myself a Muslim.</div>Dream, I'm glad that you are alive still
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, are you parents still muslim?

I'm guessing if people were actually killed for leaving Islam in U.S., they would probably go to jail.

JVG, and Hakeem probably would be underappreciated without you around lol.
 
^^^lol

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">are you parents still muslim?
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my mom's a hardcore christian and my pops claims and believes in christianity, but he isn't a strong follower like my mom.
 
What inspired you to become Muslim?
 
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