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Reep said:
Both statements show how little you know about either. Not trying to bash you, but you talk like you know, but obviously haven't read either. Jesus is the name, Christ is the title. Pretty sure any muslim would be offended by calling Jesus "Christ" (the anointed one, the Messiah). And yeah, if Nurk was a devout muslim then he probably wouldn't appreciate you placing that label on his body. You could always show him a picture of it in person and see what happens? #PrunetangDust
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I grew up a Christian and have read the bible many times. How do you think I learned to play guitar? I led the freaking worship team. I hit an age of reason and grew other opinions. No biggie. I've read the Koran as well.

Everything you've said is totally legit. Ill give you that. However, I find it to be awesome and hilarious so it is staying up.
 
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Had to Bump this.
This is what Meyers has done.
Game #1 3-5 shooting 9 pts 3 rebs in 12 mins with 2-2 from FT

Game #2 Poor shooting night 1-6 for 3 points 4 reb 1-3 from three. 15 mins

Game #3 10 rebs 3 points in 10 mins... That is 10 REBOUNDS with 2 asts. with +14 while on the court.

Game #4 DNP

Game #5 5-8 for 17 pts. Again 2-2 perfect at the line. 8 rebounds and 5-6 from 3pt. 24 mins

If your goal is to bash Meyers then go right ahead.

Meyers Leonard has been one of if not the biggest improvement on the roster. Very solid and consistent.
 
kjironman1 said:
Had to Bump this.
This is what Meyers has done.
Game #1 3-5 shooting 9 pts 3 rebs in 12 mins with 2-2 from FT

Game #2 Poor shooting night 1-6 for 3 points 4 reb 1-3 from three. 15 mins

Game #3 10 rebs 3 points in 10 mins... That is 10 REBOUNDS with 2 asts. with +14 while on the court.

Game #4 DNP

Game #5 5-8 for 17 pts. Again 2-2 perfect at the line. 8 rebounds and 5-6 from 3pt. 24 mins

If your goal is to bash Meyers then go right ahead.

Meyers Leonard has been one of if not the biggest improvement on the roster. Very solid and consistent.
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I would agree that Meyers appears to have had multiple good games this preseason, and remain on the Meyeres 2.0 bandwagon. The two things that people want to see more than anything else, however, are not reflected in the stats above:
  1. Defense--specifically several aspects of defense:
    • Awareness
    • Positioning
    • Reaction
    1. Meyers appeared to demonstrate much of this in game 1 (the only game I've been able to watch), but from what I've heard, these haven't been on display as much in the other games
  2. Consistency
    1. We don't seem to know what we're going to get from him from one night to the next. Good play (game 1), liability on both ends (game 2), offensively challenged rebounder (game 3), outside threat (game 5).
    2. If he were the kind of player that were providing "whatever the team needs on any given night", then that wouldn't be an issue, but he hasn't quite shown himself to be instinctive enough to be that kind of player.
I'm hoping as hard as anybody that he's able to translate his offseason work into a reliable game this season, but I wouldn't yet go so far as to say he's been consistent or the biggest improvement on the team.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I would agree that Meyers appears to have had multiple good games this preseason, and remain on the Meyeres 2.0 bandwagon. The two things that people want to see more than anything else, however, are not reflected in the stats above:
  1. Defense--specifically several aspects of defense:
    • Awareness
    • Positioning
    • Reaction
    1. Meyers appeared to demonstrate much of this in game 1 (the only game I've been able to watch), but from what I've heard, these haven't been on display as much in the other games
  2. Consistency
    1. We don't seem to know what we're going to get from him from one night to the next. Good play (game 1), liability on both ends (game 2), offensively challenged rebounder (game 3), outside threat (game 5).
    2. If he were the kind of player that were providing "whatever the team needs on any given night", then that wouldn't be an issue, but he hasn't quite shown himself to be instinctive enough to be that kind of player.
I'm hoping as hard as anybody that he's able to translate his offseason work into a reliable game this season, but I wouldn't yet go so far as to say he's been consistent or the biggest improvement on the team.
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Yeah we want to see all that from every player. So many people simply watch his game to look for mistakes. The guy went out and did everything everyone was asking for and now he is producing on the court but you still want to say things like "Awareness" "Reaction"... The guy just brought down 10 rebs in 10 mins and shot 5-6 from three in separate games. Any other player does that and people are singing praises all over the board.
The crazy part of your response is the whole "We don't know what we are going to get from one night to the next". I just posted four games of stats for the guy.
And he is doing it for 10 mil. NOT 17 Million a year
 
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The next thing i wanted to point out was the shoving match between Len and Swanigan.
You watched on that play Meyers drain a three. Then the ruckus started. Meyers was already heading the other way setting up for defense. Watch the video. The second guy on the team getting there to help out his team mate was Meyers. Right there pulling Len out of the mess. It's a little thing yes. But it shows that he does indeed have "Awareness" as to what is happening on the court.
 
kjironman1 said:
Yeah we want to see all that from every player. So many people simply watch his game to look for mistakes. The guy went out and did everything everyone was asking for and now he is producing on the court but you still want to say things like "Awareness" "Reaction"... The guy just brought down 10 rebs in 10 mins and shot 5-6 from three in separate games. Any other player does that and people are singing praises all over the board.
And he is doing it for 10 mil. NOT 17 Million a year
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Well, no, not really. Yes, people want him to work on his game, but "everyone"s problem with his game isn't limited to his offensive prowess. "Everyone" has criticized him continuously for his defense: looking lost, missing assignments, not defending the paint, fouling unnecessarily, and generally playing significantly smaller than his size. As for offense, generally "everyone" has been most concerned with this speed of his release (not really improved) and his unwillingness to play down low (also not really improved).

Regarding this preseason, even within his good games he has produced inconsistently on the court. Game 1 he was solid in the first half, but was pretty embarrassing in the 2nd. Game 5 he did almost all his scoring in the first half, and was again, not very good in the second.

I'm sorry you don't like my detailed explanations of what I have seen and what I would like to see from him, but it's not as though we're moving the goalposts on him. What "everyone" wants to see are the same things that "everyone" has been asking for for 5 years.

kjironman1 said:
The next thing i wanted to point out was the shoving match between Len and Swanigan.
You watched on that play Meyers drain a three. Then the ruckus started. Meyers was already heading the other way setting up for defense. Watch the video. The second guy on the team getting there to help out his team mate was Meyers. Right there pulling Len out of the mess. It's a little thing yes. But it shows that he does indeed have "Awareness" as to what is happening on the court.
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When I talk about "awareness", I'm talking about during a play, when the opponents are moving their players and/or the ball around the court, and he needs to be able to respond effectively. Completely different than his response to a scuffle (which, I agree, was good in that situation).
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Well, no, not really. Yes, people want him to work on his game, but "everyone"s problem with his game isn't limited to his offensive prowess. "Everyone" has criticized him continuously for his defense: looking lost, missing assignments, not defending the paint, fouling unnecessarily, and generally playing significantly smaller than his size. As for offense, generally "everyone" has been most concerned with this speed of his release (not really improved) and his unwillingness to play down low (also not really improved).

Regarding this preseason, even within his good games he has produced inconsistently on the court. Game 1 he was solid in the first half, but was pretty embarrassing in the 2nd. Game 5 he did almost all his scoring in the first half, and was again, not very good in the second.

I'm sorry you don't like my detailed explanations of what I have seen and what I would like to see from him, but it's not as though we're moving the goalposts on him. What "everyone" wants to see are the same things that "everyone" has been asking for for 5 years.



When I talk about "awareness", I'm talking about during a play, when the opponents are moving their players and/or the ball around the court, and he needs to be able to respond effectively. Completely different than his response to a scuffle (which, I agree, was good in that situation).
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Actually i do like your detailed explanations. Way better than just saying "He Sucks". At least you are looking. I just look a bit different. If he did all that he would be an All-Star. He would be a dream come true for Olshey who took a chance and we all knew that. Meyers is never going to be an All-Star Center the likes of Hakeem. But he is becoming a very serviceable second unit guy that has so far this year been shooting well and pulling down boards.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
When I talk about "awareness", I'm talking about during a play, when the opponents are moving their players and/or the ball around the court, and he needs to be able to respond effectively. Completely different than his response to a scuffle (which, I agree, was good in that situation).
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That was also my point. He made a shot. A really good looking three. Instead of showboating and making a big deal about it he was heading back on defense. He was already on the other side of the court. This is not a guy who is not aware of where he is supposed to be. This is a guy that is playing defense.
 
I guess I don’t equate “getting back on defense” as either good defense or awareness on defense. My 5 year old gets back on defense consistently. He’s also completely lost 95% of the time.
 
kjironman1 said:
The next thing i wanted to point out was the shoving match between Len and Swanigan.
You watched on that play Meyers drain a three. Then the ruckus started. Meyers was already heading the other way setting up for defense. Watch the video. The second guy on the team getting there to help out his team mate was Meyers. Right there pulling Len out of the mess. It's a little thing yes. But it shows that he does indeed have "Awareness" as to what is happening on the court.
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Someone criticized Meyers for his response to the scuffle when it first happened. But when I watched the vid what I saw was Meyers run from the other end of the court and get in the middle of the scrum and put his arms around Len. Other than throwing a punch, I don't know what else people wanted him to do. Meyers bashing is a habit that's hard to break I guess.
 
kjironman1 said:
That was also my point. He made a shot. A really good looking three. Instead of showboating and making a big deal about it he was heading back on defense. He was already on the other side of the court. This is not a guy who is not aware of where he is supposed to be. This is a guy that is playing defense.
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Are you Meyers Leonard?
 
kjironman1 said:
Had to Bump this.
This is what Meyers has done.
Game #1 3-5 shooting 9 pts 3 rebs in 12 mins with 2-2 from FT

Game #2 Poor shooting night 1-6 for 3 points 4 reb 1-3 from three. 15 mins

Game #3 10 rebs 3 points in 10 mins... That is 10 REBOUNDS with 2 asts. with +14 while on the court.

Game #4 DNP

Game #5 5-8 for 17 pts. Again 2-2 perfect at the line. 8 rebounds and 5-6 from 3pt. 24 mins

If your goal is to bash Meyers then go right ahead.

Meyers Leonard has been one of if not the biggest improvement on the roster. Very solid and consistent.
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Improvement or not, I'm done with him. I hate his "game". My hope is he boosts his trade value to get off my favorite team.
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
Agreed. I think many are wore out and want to see him fail. Some act like the guy is a pedophile or something else evil.

Denver fans probably thought the same about Nurkic. How did that work out for them?
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It is crazy. They simply want him to be bad because they have said he will never be good. Then they always put the little "Disclaimer"on there. Well if he could get good enough to trade????? So far this year his numbers are solid. Not greatness. But solid better than Robin Lopez type numbers with better that RoLo long ball shooting. Look at RoLo in his first 5 years. Then remember he came to Portland on his 6th year.
 
Robin Lopez and ML have not one thing in common as basketball players except being tall.
 
calvin natt said:
Robin Lopez and ML have not one thing in common as basketball players except being tall.
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Not true. They are both excellent FT shooters for big guys. They actually have just about the same TS% - of course they get it in different ways.
 
calvin natt said:
Robin Lopez and ML have not one thing in common as basketball players except being tall.
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I understand that. Meyers has better numbers and a way better outside shot. Go read some of the thoughts on him from his years in Phoenix. They absolutely wanted him gone. Same with the Hornets. When he came here people were all saying "Wrong Brother". He was the only rim protector we had and he made good. Without LMA, Batum, Mathews and Lillard? Lopez was pedestrian at best.
Lopez also now has 9 years in the league. Got some pretty good game going in Chicago.
 
andalusian said:
Not true. They are both excellent FT shooters for big guys. They actually have just about the same TS% - of course they get it in different ways.
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Their games are nothing alike. This is what he's talking about. The difference being that Rolo actually has "a game".
 
dviss1 said:
Their games are nothing alike. This is what he's talking about. The difference being that Rolo actually has "a game".
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He had so much game the Blazers got him for essentially a bag of peanuts and a milkshake.
The draft rights to Jeff Whitey and a second round pick. Plus cash.
You understand my point here right? You guys want to throw Leonard away for nothing and want to say "so what if he plays well", But he is starting to play the game. It took way too long for you. I understand that.
 
kjironman1 said:
He had so much game the Blazers got him for essentially a bag of peanuts and a milkshake.
The draft rights to Jeff Whitey and a second round pick. Plus cash.
You understand my point here right? You guys want to throw Leonard away for nothing and want to say "so what if he plays well", But he is starting to play the game. It took way too long for you. I understand that.
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I always fear the Jermaine O'neal type trade. Not with Butters. And no, he's playing PRE-SEASON ball right now. If he has more than 5 good games this year, count me surprised.
Maybe then he'll boost his trade value.
 
I’m not saying Lopez is any good. I’m just not sure how you compare ML and Lopez’s stats is all.
 
dviss1 said:
I always fear the Jermaine O'neal type trade. Not with Butters. And no, he's playing PRE-SEASON ball right now. If he has more than 5 good games this year, count me surprised.
Maybe then he'll boost his trade value.
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Butters.... Ha Ha Ha. I always laugh when i read that.
 
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