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TorturedBlazerFan said:
So I missed last nights game, because I was out on a date with my wife.

Heres my take from the others. I dont like Curry and CJ on the court together unless they have a distributor and they’re playing off the ball.

That said I think Curry does look more prepared to get significant minutes than Baldwin, Simons or Trent Jr.

Stauskus / Layman looked better than I expected and I think they will see some bench minutes at the forward spots.

Nurkic is going to be an above average center for us and defensively his impact is great.

Swanigan Im not sure he’s ever going to play significant minutes, Zach well, I still see potential in him but he’s got a lot of developement to do.

Meyers can shoot we all knew this but his defense and rebounding makes him like almost unplayable and when he does play you notice right away how much of a hole is left in the paint
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Great post, but you lost me at "date with my wife" She's already yours bro, what's with the dates. You're making us look bad.
 
BonesJones said:
His defense hasn't been anywhere near as bad.
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Based off what? Their careers or preseason?

If it’s preseason, Portland’s DRTG with Stauskas on the court has been 94. Hardly the liability you’re painting him to be. Has he gotten beat? Sure, but he’s also had guys make tough contested shots over him. He’s also made plays.

And if it’s career, the numbers are fairly comparable, as in neither is a good defender.

So who’s being biased?
 
Scalma said:
Based off what? Their careers or preseason?

If it’s preseason, Portland’s DRTG with Stauskas on the court has been 94. Hardly the liability you’re painting him to be. Has he gotten beat? Sure, but he’s also had guys make tough contested shots over him. He’s also made plays.

And if it’s career, the numbers are fairly comparable, as in neither is a good defender.

So who’s being biased?
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Career wise, Curry is slightly better. I can provide stats if you really want them. This preseason, he's been much, much better. Based off what? Based off the fact that I've paid attention to it...

We've played the Kings, Suns twice, and the Jazz... hardly teams that light it up. But you're gonna take the teams performance and make a mistake in extrapolating it to Stauskas overall defense.
 
BonesJones said:
Career wise, Curry is slightly better. I can provide stats if you really want them. This preseason, he's been much, much better. Based off what? Based off trhe fact that I've paid attention to it...

We've played the Kings, Suns twice, and the Jazz... hardly teams that light it up. But you're gonna take the teams performance and make a mistake in extrapolating it to Stauskas overall defense.
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I didnt think anyone outside of Nurkic looked all that great defensively. Even Zach was pretty meh.
 
BonesJones said:
Career wise, Curry is slightly better. I can provide stats if you really want them. This preseason, he's been much, much better. Based off what? Based off the fact that I've paid attention to it...

We've played the Kings, Suns twice, and the Jazz... hardly teams that light it up. But you're gonna take the teams performance and make a mistake in extrapolating it to Stauskas overall defense.
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Nah, I don’t care about Niks defense, just like I don’t care about Curry’s. That’s not why either one was signed. But if you’re going to microanalyze Nik, keep that same energy about the others as well. I guarantee if I went back in the game threads I would find a comment about every bucket that was scored on Nik, while Curry’s mistakes were ignored. It’s too predictable.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
and 7th on the team overall in FG's made.
5 fgs more than Pat had, who was 8th
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The question was, how many easy buckets did he score. So I confined it to 2-pointers, not overall including 3s. To make it even more specific...

If you scroll down to the Shooting section of that page, you see that Davis led the team in FG% for 0-3 feet, and 3-10 feet. To find the actual quantity of FGM by range, you'd have to go to 82games.com.
 
Cheese22 said:
1) Stauskus needs a distributor or someone to create for him. He's okay at creating for himself but is much stronger as a spot up shooter. Philly didn't have a true PG or distributor like he'll have here. Guys who can get him the ball when they get doubled.

2) More so than anything else, he'll be in Stotts system.
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1) Actually it was the opposite. Stauskas thrived when T.J. McConnell was the PG. As soon as Ben Simmons arrived, Stauskas withered on the vine, so they traded him. The 76ers outgrew him. Their winning record was 38-126 in the 2 years he played a lot.

2) While Stauskas isn't similar to Connaughton now, Stotts may make him into another Connaughton. Same for Curry vs. Napier. The new guys may be better upon arrival, but Stotts may dumb them down into the same roles as their predecessors.
 
jlprk said:
2) While Stauskas isn't similar to Connaughton now, Stotts may make him into another Connaughton. Same for Curry vs. Napier. The new guys may be better upon arrival, but Stotts may dumb them down into the same roles as their predecessors.
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The difference is that Connaughton couldn't create for himself, and Shabazz wasn't a reliable enough shooter.
 
julius said:
The difference is that Connaughton couldn't create for himself, and Shabazz wasn't a reliable enough shooter.
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I agree that the new guys do those things better now, but let's see whether they do after a season of fitting into Stotts' system. By then it might be same-o, same-o.
 
1. Meyers might actually make it as a third center, but Collins is going to have to play behind Nurk, leaving IDK as backup at PF.
2. Layman should be able to get 18-20 minutes a night with around 10 points and a couple of threes. Which is good because who the fuck knows if Moe will ever be available.
3. Stauskus is a decent scorer and should be able to give us an approximation of what Pat did, if not the shooting Crabbe did.
4. Drafting Biggie was a huge mistake.
5. If Baldwin gets more than 6 minutes a game it will be luck.
6. Seth Curry IS the backup PG, but is going to have to up his assist rate.
7. Our best defensive lineup is Nurk at C and Collins at PF.


I am sure there is a lot more but I can't think of them right now.
 
ripcityboy said:
1. Meyers might actually make it as a third center, but Collins is going to have to play behind Nurk, leaving IDK as backup at PF.
2. Layman should be able to get 18-20 minutes a night with around 10 points and a couple of threes. Which is good because who the fuck knows if Moe will ever be available.
3. Stauskus is a decent scorer and should be able to give us an approximation of what Pat did, if not the shooting Crabbe did.
4. Drafting Biggie was a huge mistake.
5. If Baldwin gets more than 6 minutes a game it will be luck.
6. Seth Curry IS the backup PG, but is going to have to up his assist rate.
7. Our best defensive lineup is Nurk at C and Collins at PF.


I am sure there is a lot more but I can't think of them right now.
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One spot ahead of Kuzma and 4 ahead of Josh Hart. Why do Lakers find these gems.
 
My opinion was reconfirmed from that other thread. Summer league > preseason
 
Sarni said:
One spot ahead of Kuzma and 4 ahead of Josh Hart. Why do Lakers find these gems.
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ripcityboy said:
Because they have better scouts. :dunno:
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Answer this then...

The Lakers had the #2 pick 3 years in a row and don't have a lot to show for it (I know it's still early), would you rather find some diamonds in the rough like Hart and Kuzma while somewhat blowing your top pick or hit a home run with your top pick and not do as well with the later picks?
 
Sarni said:
One spot ahead of Kuzma and 4 ahead of Josh Hart. Why do Lakers find these gems.
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It’s why I liked the Simons pick. Lakers were going to take him.

But seriously, Olshey tends to play it safe, and that extends to the draft. The four year seniors. The tournament production, etc. I was pleasantly surprised when he took Simons, because it went against that philosophy. Take the upside. I think if you go back and listen to his comments after he selected Simons, you’ll hear him pretty much admit to making a mistake with Swanigan. “At that point in the draft you’re looking for the biggest upside.” That might not be verbatim what he said, but it’s close.
 
Scalma said:
It’s why I liked the Simons pick. Lakers were going to take him.

But seriously, Olshey tends to play it safe, and that extends to the draft. The four year seniors. The tournament production, etc. I was pleasantly surprised when he took Simons, because it went against that philosophy. Take the upside. I think if you go back and listen to his comments after he selected Simons, you’ll hear him pretty much admit to making a mistake with Swanigan. “At that point in the draft you’re looking for the biggest upside.” That might not be verbatim what he said, but it’s close.
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The only thing you missed in that verbatim was "Look".
 
Kuzma is a poor man's Carmelo. That's a steal where he was taken, but I'd rather have Jordan Bell.
 
HCP said:
Because the draft is a complete crap shoot.
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That's a complete cop out.

The draft is not some random game of chance. It's more a game of probability (think poker instead of roulette or craps).

Good/great teams have a long history of drafting well. It's because they have a system down to dramatically increase the likelihood of success.

It's not because they are 'lucky', they are just better at getting in a position to get the guy with the highest potential for success.
 
HCP said:
I’m sorry sir, but that is EXACTLY what it is.
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Phooey. Do you think the SA front office considers the draft a random event? When they were lucky enough to have high picks they went for Robinson and Duncan - not someone like Oden. When they plucked players from Europe, they got Parker and Gino - not Claver, Batum, Rudy, etc.
 
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