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lawai'a said:
the mockery part I get , trust is lost and the system crumbles, what happens to the legislation? what happens to those that see "fake news" everywhere? what about the military during the turn around? who governs while the election is set up? the constitutiondoesn't say the courts can invalidate the election results or what would happen next. I am sure there are other questions to the next step even if an election is the mandate of the court.
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Too bad that the educated electorate is too stupid to vote in Hillary, eh?

That's what this all stinks of.
 
The courts can and have invalidated election results. Gore 2000, the Florida Supreme Court uncertified the certified election results and REMEDY ordered a partial (unconstitutional) recount.

And the Supreme Court invalidated that recount effort.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/election2k/pbc_tampering.htm

Statistical evidence establishes beyond reasonable doubt that 19,120 Presidential race ballots were destroyed by deliberate double-punching ballots in Palm Beach County FL with a "second punch" for Al Gore or Pat Buchanan. (In 1996, an additional 15,000 Dole and Perot ballots were destroyed by double-punching presidential ballots in Palm Beach County, FL. *)​

19,120 double punched ballots — all in one race, with "errors" only occurring two Presidential races against Republican opposition — is 33,000 "too many" to be an accident.​

Isn't that an example of a manipulated election?
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not like the scenario of a third party actually swinging the entire presidential election for a false result through a hack. physical evidence of the election tampering by a third party that can be traced and entered as evidence, as in the supreme court would find it not only compelling but a physical proof/fact.
 
lawai'a said:
not like the scenario of a third party actually swinging the entire presidential election for a false result through a hack. physical evidence of the election tampering by a third party that can be traced and entered as evidence, as in the supreme court would find it not only compelling but a physical proof/fact.
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It's a "first" party that hacked the election in Palm Beach County. How much worse can it be?
 
Denny Crane said:
Too bad that the educated electorate is too stupid to vote in Hillary, eh?

That's what this all stinks of.
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this thread has nothing to do with the last election. I seem to be able to have better conversations with my 6 yearold grandson. I am sorry you hate Hillary. it seems an obsession or are you so insecure in our presidents validity that we can't talk about this possibility? I for one do not want a do over. the results are the results. I don't like many things about my president, but I accept that he is.
 
My best guess is that the most remedy the Court would provide is making the Speaker of the House the president. If not that, it would be up to congress to impeach and remove a traitor. If not a traitor, then the president would serve 4 years with a congress unwilling to pass anything at all.
 
lawai'a said:
this thread has nothing to do with the last election. I seem to be able to have better conversations with my 6 yearold grandson. I am sorry you hate Hillary. it seems an obsession or are you so insecure in our presidents validity that we can't talk about this possibility? I for one do not want a do over. the results are the results. I don't like many things about my president, but I accept that he is.
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The impetus for the article is the last election, and 2000, and any others sore losers can't get over losing.

I warn you about the dangers of trying to pass some sort of "remedy" for something that doesn't require one. It will be abused, much as people are suggesting with the 25th and the current president.
 
lawai'a said:
not a confusing ballot sheet but a changed voter record
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I showed you evidence of 19,000 ballots that were altered. That is explicitly changed voter record.
 
Denny Crane said:
My best guess is that the most remedy the Court would provide is making the Speaker of the House the president. If not that, it would be up to congress to impeach and remove a traitor. If not a traitor, then the president would serve 4 years with a congress unwilling to pass anything at all.
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what about the military? what about legislation that had already been written in to law? trade agreements? war?
 
lawai'a said:
what about the military? what about legislation that had already been written in to law? trade agreements? war?
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What about these things?

You can't undo what's done.
 
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Denny Crane said:
The impetus for the article is the last election, and 2000, and any others sore losers can't get over losing.

I warn you about the dangers of trying to pass some sort of "remedy" for something that doesn't require one. It will be abused, much as people are suggesting with the 25th and the current president.
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I replied I wished it had said nothing more current than foreign powers had in the past tried to hack our election.
 
Denny Crane said:
What about these things?

You can't undo what's done.
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what about the military? the legislation is still valid? people would be very unlikely to accept this process that the courts have so mandated as with segregation, and no constitutional path to back its descion.
 
lawai'a said:
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I replied I wished it had said nothing more current than foreign powers had in the past tried to hack our election.
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It said it because it is a biased piece of trash.

Sorry, but that's how I see it.
 
lawai'a said:
what about the military? the legislation is still valid? people would be very unlikely to accept this process that the courts have so mandated as with segregation, and no constitutional path to back its descion.
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You can't undo what is done. The new president would have to pass his or her own laws and/or executive orders.
 
if I remember correctly Alabama nearly revolted over the courts segregation descions and the central government needed to call up the guard.
this would be far more controversial in my opinion. thus I see a need for a path that the framers couldn't have imagined nor likely comprehend.
I also consider this a very real threat because of the actions and attempts/and successes by foreign nations. again iran, china, north korea and Russia to name a few.
 
lawai'a said:
if I remember correctly Alabama nearly revolted over the courts segregation descions and the central government needed to call up the guard.
this would be far more controversial in my opinion. thus I see a need for a path that the framers couldn't have imagined nor likely comprehend.
I also consider this a very real threat because of the actions and attempts/and successes by foreign nations. again iran, china, north korea and Russia to name a few.
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It's up to us to protect our election infrastructure.

The code that goes into voting machines is regulated and reviewed with the strictest security measures. They can be hacked if a hacker has long time access to a machine.

The paper ballots can be hacked, too. As democrats did in Palm Beach County in 2000. Take a stack of ballots and push a spike through the Gore spot. The gore votes remain gore, the others become spoiled as two votes for president.

Nobody with any credibility is claiming the election machines were hacked or could be.

I can only repeat that if there is some mechanism written into the constitution, it will be abused every election cycle. We've seen the recount system abused or threatened to be abused in 2000 and 2016. Or the Obama not born in the US thing (example of abuse of something written in the constitution).
 
Denny Crane said:
It's up to us to protect our election infrastructure.

The code that goes into voting machines is regulated and reviewed with the strictest security measures. They can be hacked if a hacker has long time access to a machine.

The paper ballots can be hacked, too. As democrats did in Palm Beach County in 2000. Take a stack of ballots and push a spike through the Gore spot. The gore votes remain gore, the others become spoiled as two votes for president.

Nobody with any credibility is claiming the election machines were hacked or could be.

I can only repeat that if there is some mechanism written into the constitution, it will be abused every election cycle. We've seen the recount system abused or threatened to be abused in 2000 and 2016. Or the Obama not born in the US thing (example of abuse of something written in the constitution).
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Voting machines are built by corporations. Corporations owned by rich conservatives. I wouldn't put it past them to manipulate said machines to be in favor of the candidate they want to win. Namely republican candidates.
 
Chris Craig said:
Voting machines are built by corporations. Corporations owned by rich conservatives. I wouldn't put it past them to manipulate said machines to be in favor of the candidate they want to win. Namely republican candidates.
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The frickin’ source code to the machines is openly available on the Internet AND the government supervises the security measures.

No, corporations can’t manipulate the machines.
 
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