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Can't be Thibs, as EVERYONE sees that coming. Somebody fired to make room for Thibs?


Stotts? With assurance Aldridge isn't returning? I had heard a rumor a month or so ago on radio of Allen having his eye on a college coach, but then never saw a mention of it anywhere, so assumed they were false.

Really, don't think at all is be stotts. Rivers? McHale once this series is done?
 
This is what is on the Hoopshype page......Jeff Van Gundy and New Orleans officials met in the Bay Area to discuss the Pelicans' head coach opening

Damnit, why can't someone hire the crappy NBA announcer again and give me another few years reprieve from Marc Jackson until they fire him again. I love JVG as an announcer, he is the only one I really like - I was ecstatic when GSW's hired Marc though and got him off the nationally televised games for a few years, what a glorious few years of watching televised games that was. Now if only they could hire Reggie Miller as Marc Jackson's assistant, that would be a thing of beauty.
 
As for the whole Thibbs things, this girl I have gone out with a few times is a huge Bullz fan. She's adamant that he needs to go for the team to move on and grow and to change their identity and to catch up with today's NBA. Honestly I am not 100% sold on Stotts anymore, but I am not sure I would let him go simply to replace him with Thibbs at this point. Thibbs is certainly a good coach, but after watching both the Spurs and now the Dubs cream the NBA back to back with ultra modern and balanced offenses, including a defensive juggernaut like Memphis, I am just not sold that a defense first philosophy in today's modern NBA is what wins. The grass is not always greener on the other side, check out how more Bullz fans feel to get a larger sample size.

This is stream of consciousness, but the last team I can think of that won an NBA title on having an identity as purely a defensive juggernaut was the Celtics with KG, Pierce, and Allen. In today's modern NBA, starting especially with the Mavs back a few years ago (2011?) , it seems like modern offenses that focus on spreading the floor with shooters, shooting lots of 3's, and fluid ball movement is what wins. The Dubs, Spurs, Blazers, Houston, Mavs, Clips, and hell even the Hawks are more or less proving this point, and one of the masterminds behind this current logic was and is Terry Stotts. Obvious D'Antoni really started the trend with Phoenix back with Nash and co, but it really was validated by none other than Carlisle's coaching staff in 2011 with that sharp shooting Mavs team on a mission from God; and then again in 2014 with Pops and another Texas team on a mission from God.

The major thing that kills me though that I can see as a major difference philosophically between Portland's offense and say Golden States' (aside from Stephen Curry being involved) is that the Dubs shoot far far earlier in the shot clock. Far too often do I hear Terry yelling "Five, Four, Three.." then a jacked up shot goes up in desperation, and it's almost always rushed and not a clean look. What makes Golden States' offense just so lethal is that they have been coached to shoot at any clean look they get, and frankly they have an amazing point guard that can make that happen. That is a luxury, but we're only a year or two removed from Portland playing a much more similar style of ball to that than they did this year.

I am not sure what changed, but I remember early in the season last year, and even this year to a lesser extent, the Blazers played far more loose and they would play similar to how Golden State plays now. I am not sure if it is/was confidence, Wes getting hurt, Batum playing like ass this year, or Dame getting trapped more, or some combination of all of those reasons, but either way we need to get back to shooting earlier in the shot clock when we have an open uncontested shot. I read an article on this and statistically it is absolutely mind blowing how much of a difference it makes to do this, and I think it will be the next big trend in the NBA. Watch the Warriors and watch just how often they shoot unguarded, wide open shots within the first 7 seconds of the shot clock, it's quite surprising. I think Kerr along with Curry have really mastered this particular trade and have blazed a path that will lead to others attempting to mimic this style of basketball.
 
The Warriors were #1 in DRtg.

The Bulls were 10th in ORtg. Up from 30th or 29th last season.

FWIW
 
Wow, that press release is fascinating.

Jerry Reinsdorf said:
These accomplishments have been possible because of an organizational culture where input from all parts of the organization has been welcomed and valued, there has been a willingness to participate in a free flow of information, and there have been clear and consistent goals. While the head of each department of the organization must be free to make final decisions regarding his department, there must be free and open interdepartmental discussion and consideration of everyone's ideas and opinions. These internal discussions must not be considered an invasion of turf, and must remain private. Teams that consistently perform at the highest levels are able to come together and be unified across the organization-staff, players, coaches, management and ownership. When everyone is on the same page, trust develops and teams can grow and succeed together. Unfortunately, there has been a departure from this culture.

Sounds to me like Jerry is basically saying that management tried to give input regarding whom to play and how to coach, and Thibs didn't want to hear it.
 
Wow. Bets on where he ends up? Would you really fire Stotts for him? I dunno. I like him a lot but that would be a shitty thing to do to Stotts, who has done well. I guess it's all on what LA wants.
 
As for the whole Thibbs things, this girl I have gone out with a few times is a huge Bullz fan. She's adamant that he needs to go for the team to move on and grow and to change their identity and to catch up with today's NBA. Honestly I am not 100% sold on Stotts anymore, but I am not sure I would let him go simply to replace him with Thibbs at this point. Thibbs is certainly a good coach, but after watching both the Spurs and now the Dubs cream the NBA back to back with ultra modern and balanced offenses, including a defensive juggernaut like Memphis, I am just not sold that a defense first philosophy in today's modern NBA is what wins. The grass is not always greener on the other side, check out how more Bullz fans feel to get a larger sample size.

As Denny points out, the Warriors have THE BEST DEFENSE IN THE NBA. And the Cavs have got to the finals by stepping up their defense. And the team that has given the Warriors their only real resistance in these playoffs has been Memphis.

Granted San Antonio's defense hasn't been as great recently as in the past, but it was still pretty damn good last year.

I think the Bulls' problem has been under-talent, not under-coach.
 
Fuck what LMA wants - do what's best for the TEAM.
Thibs would be an upgrade. Whether he's enough of an upgrade is unknown, but an upgrade is better than nothing.
 
sign me up

Stotts is slightly above average. Thibs is way above average. Plus, offensively our team should never really struggle as significantly ESPECIALLY if we use our defense to create offense for us occasionally. Assuming players returned, Dame, LMA, Batum and McCollum can all create, pass, and get buckets and the other is well LMA.

I'd ask critical player input, but...

Thibs is a commodity IMO, and would be hesitant towards his attitude towards the FO..

But ultimately I think Thibs can take us to the next level... I think Stotts peaked early..
 
Fuck what LMA wants - do what's best for the TEAM.
Thibs would be an upgrade. Whether he's enough of an upgrade is unknown, but an upgrade is better than nothing.

I can see it now... If we don't move on Thibs you are gonna create some bullshit strawman thread....
 
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If we got Thibs, we'd have a coach who looks like a Used Car Dealer, and a GM who looks like the dealerships' Sales Manager... totally works.
 
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I cannot say enough positive things about Thibs. He's a brilliant coach at both ends of the floor. He's just had little talent or aged talent to work with all along with the Bulls.
 
He should go to the Spurs, coach 1 or 2 years under Pops and then become HC when Pops retires.
 
I cannot say enough positive things about Thibs. He's a brilliant coach at both ends of the floor. He's just had little talent or aged talent to work with all along with the Bulls.

You should offer him Nate's mod position.
 
A related question: if the Bulls fired Gar Foreman and/or John Paxson, would you want them?

Thibs will be hired somewhere, pretty quick.
 
Yeah, it was his fault Rose got injured though.

I disagree. I think Rose has Oden knee's and took off MORE than enough time and missed practice frequently (you can even find the Thibs quote saying Derrick needs to practice with the team more).

Most Bulls fans primarily attribute Noah and Deng's injuries to Thibs From what I've heard
 
I don't think Thibs hurt his players or was cause of their injuries. They could have gotten hurt in practice, in a close game, in a blowout early in the game, or even in the shower (like Joel did).
 
I disagree. I think Rose has Oden knee's and took off MORE than enough time and missed practice frequently (you can even find the Thibs quote saying Derrick needs to practice with the team more).

Most Bulls fans primarily attribute Noah and Deng's injuries to Thibs From what I've heard

He played him in garbage time and that's when he first got his first major injury. He has had a tendency to do that.
 
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/01/04/blowout-minutes-contributing-to-chicagos-injury-woes/

Because this is more than a one-player or one-snakebit-season thing with this club, questions and criticism have intensified about coach Tom Thibodeau‘s demands on and use of his players. Remember how Butler played three entire games consecutively and hit 48 minutes in five of 12 overall? And how Deng, after averaging 39 minutes through 211 games in Thibodeau’s first three Chicago seasons, got so worn down that he became sick, leading to the spinal-tap exam and complications that put him in the hospital in what some termed a life-threatening crisis?

Last season, despite Rose’s absence and lineup juggling to accommodate other hurt players, the Bulls overachieved to a 45-37 finish and a first-round upset of Brooklyn in the playoffs. This season, they’re 13-18 – 7-13 since Rose went down Nov. 22 – and the crankiness has become more targeted.

Say “injuries” and the dogs of Chicago instantly drool. So do some many miles from United Center, too.

One former NBA player and coach told NBA.com recently: “Is Tom going to become the new Larry Brown, where after three years, because of the grind he put on guys, they can’t take it? Because the players were complaining about Thibs and practices last year, and all the minutes they were playing there. On their team, everybody’s always hurt. Even Jimmy Butler – young guys are breaking down. He just keeps his foot on the pedal the whole time.”

Leave it to NBA.com’s stats maven, John Schuhmann, to pull some numbers that indicate just that: Minutes logged late in lopsided games.
 
Portland should stay the course. My lifetime of early playoff exits and also-rans seem to be ok with the fan base as long as players and coaches are likeable. If it's ok for fans, why try to improve?
 
Maybe the team in the NBA's fourth largest market should have stopped shopping in the bargain bin and had the balls to get Thibs some actual depth. You want to win you play your best players he did that.
 
He played him in garbage time and that's when he first got his first major injury. He has had a tendency to do that.

his tendency to do that didn't cause d rose, a player that was known to be wreck less with his body in the air, to tear his acl imo. It was a freak accident to someone who is kinda considered to be fragile now...snake bitten.. Or else I think they would've had more acl injuries by now.

I guess spoelstra ran lebron and wade into the ground too.

It's a problem, yea, but I'm sure we could figure something out.
 
his tendency to do that didn't cause d rose, a player that was known to be wreck less with his body in the air, to tear his acl imo. It was a freak accident to someone who is kinda considered to be fragile now...snake bitten.. Or else I think they would've had more acl injuries by now.

I guess spoelstra ran lebron and wade into the ground too.

It's a problem, yea, but I'm sure we could figure something out.

Actually it did. This was his first major injury, after that, the following injuries were more likely. Don't you remember when this happened, everyone was like why the fuck was Rose in the game still.

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http://bustedcoverage.com/2012/04/28/derrick-rose-injured-in-garbage-time-against-76ers-video/


This is why you never leave your star players on the court when the game is in hand. Derrick Rose went down with an injury to what looked like his knee after falling awkwardly on it. The Chicago Bulls took on the Philadelphia 76ers in Game 1 of the NBA Playoffs where the Bulls pulled out the win. We’ll see if Derrick Rose is able to return for Game 2 or if this will effect this series or series to come. HTDeadspinJUMP!
 

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