What is Portland media saying about Ariza?

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I don't know why, but I've just got a funny feeling this is who you guys are after...not Hedo.

Again, its just a feeling. What is the media out there reporting?
 
Nothing.

Do not want to overpay him.
 
Black Mamba said:
I don't know why, but I've just got a funny feeling this is who you guys are after...not Hedo.

Again, its just a feeling. What is the media out there reporting?
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That he's a little punk who took a cheap shot at Rudy Fernandez.
 
If you know KP, you'd know that any name of players that is leaked by the media is usually not the guy he's targeting.

It could be Ariza. It could be Millsap. We'll know in an hour and a half.
 
So do you guys think it is Hedo?
 
Black Mamba said:
So do you guys think it is Hedo?
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It could be Hedo but I have a feeling it is A.Miller before Hedo. I'm not sure who it is but I have a feeling it is Kidd. I'm probably the only guy that thinks it's Kidd though. I do think we have interest in Ariza and if he is still avialable after we make a couple offers and if we get turned down I would think KP would make Ariza an offer.
 
Ariza is perfect for the Lakers. He's the ideal role player. If he was more talented, he wouldn't work as well. The thing about the triangle is that it rewards players who know their role and don't try to do too much. If they go elsewhere (see Fisher, Derek) their limitations become obvious.

I'm much more interested in Lamar Odom. Much more talented, and much more important to the Lakers. However, like Ariza, I think he's happy where he is.
 
Black Mamba said:
I don't know why, but I've just got a funny feeling this is who you guys are after...not Hedo.

Again, its just a feeling. What is the media out there reporting?
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I think going after Ariza wouldn't be wise for the Blazers. If we signed him to an offer sheet and the Lakers wanted to match, they could take all seven days to match meanwhile our $$$$ would be tied up and we wouldn't be able to sign anyone else (excluding trades). Then all the top free agent SF upgrades would be gone, the Lakers match and we are screwed since we didn't get anyone (I'd assume Artest and Hedo would be gone by then).
 
Blazer4life said:
I think going after Ariza wouldn't be wise for the Blazers. If we signed him to an offer sheet and the Lakers wanted to match, they could take all seven days to match meanwhile our $$$$ would be tied up and we wouldn't be able to sign anyone else (excluding trades). Then all the top free agent SF upgrades would be gone, the Lakers match and we are screwed since we didn't get anyone (I'd assume Artest and Hedo would be gone by then).
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Ariza is not restricted. There is no offer sheet/matching with him.

I think I'd prefer Ariza to Hedo at this point, given Ariza's youth and presumedly lower salary requirement.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Ariza is not restricted. There is no offer sheet/matching with him.

I think I'd prefer Ariza to Hedo at this point, given Ariza's youth and presumedly lower salary requirement.

Ed O.
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agree'd
 
Ed O said:
Ariza is not restricted. There is no offer sheet/matching with him.

I think I'd prefer Ariza to Hedo at this point, given Ariza's youth and presumedly lower salary requirement.

Ed O.
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Ariza's agent says he wants 9M/Y...
 
Ed O said:
Ariza is not restricted. There is no offer sheet/matching with him.

I think I'd prefer Ariza to Hedo at this point, given Ariza's youth and presumedly lower salary requirement.

Ed O.
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Exactly. We need a SF who can hit the open shot, play defense, and just be a solid role player. Ariza has developed into a very good role player.
 
Ed O said:
Ariza is not restricted. There is no offer sheet/matching with him.

I think I'd prefer Ariza to Hedo at this point, given Ariza's youth and presumedly lower salary requirement.

Ed O.
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Ok I wasn't sure. Some people kept saying he was a restricted free agent but I thought he was unrestricted since he wasn't drafted in the 1st round. Same situation with Sessions I believe.
 
Ed O said:
Ariza is not restricted. There is no offer sheet/matching with him.

I think I'd prefer Ariza to Hedo at this point, given Ariza's youth and presumedly lower salary requirement.

Ed O.
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I agree and if he isn't restricted I would make the offer tonight. He outplayed Hedo the finals and is much younger and plays a lot better defense. I think signing Ariza to a 5 year contract is a lot smarter then signing Hedo. I like Hedo but he isn't going to be worth the money after 2-3 years and I think Ariza is just going to get better each year.
 
Fez said:
Exactly. We need a SF who can hit the open shot, play defense, and just be a solid role player. Ariza has developed into a very good role player.
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But don't you think Batum will fit that role. The biggest problem with Ariza is that he is not a good 3pt shooter. He is however, very good inside and a good rebounder. Here's his scouting report from John Hollinger:


In addition to his other skills, Ariza is a strong defender who has the size and athleticism to become a defensive stopper against small forwards. He ranked second among small forwards in steals per minute, but that cuts both ways -- he needs to gamble less. If he adopted more of a stopper's mentality his path to more meaningful playing time might be easier, but even now he's pretty good.

Offensively, Ariza isn't a shooter but is a terror in transition, where he can fly up the wings to get dunks. He's also an active player off the ball who can find buckets off of other players' penetration or take it to the bucket himself on occasion. The only problem with the latter scenario is that his defender is usually playing 10 feet off of him.

Signing him would have the added benefit of hurting our primary competitor in the West. Even offering him a 6.5 mil offer would be good, because it would at the very least, cause the Lakers to spend more on him. But I don't know if KP would play that way.

But just imagine the reaction of most casual Portland fans, "....Ariza...the guy who decked Rudy Fernandez!?"
 
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Tince said:
Who do you want to over pay?
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Ariza wants 9 million a year.

If I'm KP, I'd rather offer that to Turkeyglue, who is a better player. Not saying that's who we should get, but it's better than paying Ariza 9 freaking million a year.
 
Sinobas said:
But don't you think Batum will fit that role. The biggest problem with Ariza is that he is not a good 3pt shooter. He is however, very good inside and a good rebounder. Here's his scouting report from John Hollinger:


In addition to his other skills, Ariza is a strong defender who has the size and athleticism to become a defensive stopper against small forwards. He ranked second among small forwards in steals per minute, but that cuts both ways -- he needs to gamble less. If he adopted more of a stopper's mentality his path to more meaningful playing time might be easier, but even now he's pretty good.

Offensively, Ariza isn't a shooter but is a terror in transition, where he can fly up the wings to get dunks. He's also an active player off the ball who can find buckets off of other players' penetration or take it to the bucket himself on occasion. The only problem with the latter scenario is that his defender is usually playing 10 feet off of him.

Signing him would have the added benefit of hurting our primary competitor in the West. Even offering him a 6.5 mil offer would be good, because it would at the very least, cause the Lakers to spend more on him. But I don't know if KP would play that way.

But just imagine the reaction of most casual Portland fans....Ariza...the guy who decked Rudy Fernandez!?
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He didn't start attempting 3's until this season, and he showed a great improvement over the course of the season. Come crunch time (playoffs), he shoot the ball at an even higher clip.
 
B-Roy said:
Ariza wants 9 million a year.

If I'm KP, I'd rather offer that to Turkeyglue, who is a better player. Not saying that's who we should get, but it's better than paying Ariza 9 freaking million a year.
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Ariza isn't worth $9 million.

However, my point was, obviously you don't want to overpay for anyone.

These asking prices are not what they expect to get. If my asking price to sell my car is $9000, I'm probably willing to take $8000 or less. I expect the guy to come offer me $7000, and meet in the middle.

If Ariza gets that much money, I hope it's from the Lakers.
 
What these guys want and what they get are two entirely different thing. With so little money out there a MLE deal for him will be good. Seriously, We are talking about DET, POR, SAC, OKC and MEM with cap room. Maybe Toronto too. DET, OKC and MEM all have SF's. Toronto might re-sign Marion. That leaves Sac and us. If he goes to SAC he does not care about winning. If we do not want him then he signs for MLE somewhere or re-ups with the Lakers for MLE type money as there is no market for him and the Lakers will not bid against themselves. It will be like this for most free agents this year. There are few buyers.
 
Tince said:
Ariza isn't worth $9 million.

However, my point was, obviously you don't want to overpay for anyone.

These asking prices are not what they expect to get. If my asking price to sell my car is $9000, I'm probably willing to take $8000 or less. I expect the guy to come offer me $7000, and meet in the middle.

If Ariza gets that much money, I hope it's from the Lakers.
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Yes, but if we aren't overpaying Ariza, he'll end up back with the Lakers. We offer 7 million/year, Lakers offer 7million/year. Who is he going to choose? That's how I see it anyways.
 
B-Roy said:
Yes, but if we aren't overpaying Ariza, he'll end up back with the Lakers. We offer 7 million/year, Lakers offer 7million/year. Who is he going to choose? That's how I see it anyways.
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His agent might tell the Lakers he's getting offers from Portland in the $8 million range and see if they call his bluff. These agents are sneaky.
 
Black Mamba said:
I don't know why, but I've just got a funny feeling this is who you guys are after...not Hedo.

Again, its just a feeling. What is the media out there reporting?
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My feeling is that the Blazers are after a PG, not a SF. At least I hope so. If we wanted a SF, we could've just traded Batum for Gerald Wallace.
Offseason priorities: PG, backup PF, SF.
 
Tince said:
His agent might tell the Lakers he's getting offers from Portland in the $8 million range and see if they call his bluff. These agents are sneaky.
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Or they might slip something into Ariza's drink. Yikes!
 
Tince said:
He didn't start attempting 3's until this season, and he showed a great improvement over the course of the season. Come crunch time (playoffs), he shoot the ball at an even higher clip.
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He was very hot from downtown in the playoffs, but over the course of the season, only shot 32%; his worse shooting month being in April, when he shot 19%. But anyway, I guess he's not a horrible shooter...
 
Sinobas said:
He was very hot from downtown in the playoffs, but over the course of the season, only shot 32%; his worse shooting month being in April, when he shot 19%. But anyway, I guess he's not a horrible shooter...
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You're right about April, I excluded that because the sample size was so short. I also excluded the 80% in shot in October for the same reason.

Jan - 34.8%
Feb - 34.4%
Mar - 34.8%

In 23 playoff games, he shot 47.6% on 84 attempts (that's a lot for the playoffs).
 
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