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<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Northern rappers tend to totally miss the boat on that, placing an emphasis on lyrical content. </div>Oh God. you have officially lost the plot Voodoo Child. Let me rephrase it for you:

NYC IS hip-hop - music, beats, lyrics, drums, snares, hi-hats, keyboards, flow, whatever the hell you wanna call it.


Southern rap is by and large elephant sh*t masquerading as recorded sound.....
 
<div class="quote_poster">phunDamentalz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">My point is you have to show NYC the proper respect, Mr. Fresh.</div>
I do show NYC respect; man you are something lame. My favorite artists (GZA, Nas) are from NYC and your telling me to show NYC respect. I've always showed NYC love. I mean look at my Av and look at my sig. What do you see? Disrespect towards NY?

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That's what I'm talking about with hip-hop today. It's all about my area vs. your area, my rapper vs. your rapper, etc.</div>
NYC hasn't shined like they did in the 90's, so thats the mindset of A LOT of people from NYC that I've talked to. If anything is killing hip hop, its not a rapper with sub par lyrics, its the people with views of which I already stated. Even rappers from NYC agree with it.
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People complain about the quality of Jeezy's music, and Rick Ross. Well its NYC's main man, Jay Z, who signed both of em.

Southern rap is by and large elephant sh*t masquerading as recorded sound.....</div>
I swear you say some of the CRAZIEST ish I have ever heard of....everything from saying Illmatic has no replay value to saying Vanilla Ice had the best selling hip hop record of all time. You amaze me phundamentalz.

I understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you take it to another level, because you have no sense of objectivity.
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"I be slanging wood, yeah
Out the hood, yeah
Let it be understood, yeah
It's all good, yeah"</div>
You have to learn to take it for what it is. The title of the song is called Back That Azz up. What purpose do you think this song is intended to serve?
 
New York is unanimously considered the home/originator of hip-hop, especially since most of the all-time greats are from New York. The "southern style" of hip-hop which VC is referring to, isn't really about lyrcism, though at the end of the day is still bad music, in my opinion. And NY hasn't shined like it has in the 90's, but that's due to the passing of a golden age. No other area has shined after the 90's.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">That's what I'm talking about with hip-hop today. It's all about my area vs. your area, my rapper vs. your rapper, etc.
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I agree. Hip-hop isn't just the music, it's an entire culture and a way of life for some and its direction has definitely changed these past years. This is why Jay-Z and Nas - two premier, influential MC's - decided to reconcile their differences.

And Chutney, Juelz Santana > Lil' Wayne
 
Fabolous? Jadakiss? Juelz Santana? Whatever happened to people listening to good hip hop?

The key to being a good rapper is to be different. There is so much in hip hop that is the same, and no one stands out anymore. It's very hard to find a good rapper that says something new and profound at the same time. I've only heard a couple throughout my lifetime.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
And Chutney, Juelz Santana > Lil' Wayne</div>
How is he better?

I've never heard a hot line from Juelz Santana. Of course your going to say he is better; hell if Umair was from NYC you'd say he was better than Wayne.

Go listen to all the mixtapes they've made together, and its obvious at who is better. Even Wayne's bad songs are better than Santana's good songs.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Fabolous? Jadakiss? Juelz Santana? Whatever happened to people listening to good hip hop?

The key to being a good rapper is to be different. There is so much in hip hop that is the same, and no one stands out anymore. It's very hard to find a good rapper that says something new and profound at the same time. I've only heard a couple throughout my lifetime.</div>
Fabolous and Jadakiss are good.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How is he better?

I've never heard a hot line from Juelz Santana. Of course your going to say he is better; hell if Umair was from NYC you'd say he was better than Wayne.

Go listen to all the mixtapes they've made together, and its obvious at who is better. Even Wayne's bad songs are better than Santana's good songs.</div>
I think Juelz beats Wayne in having better songs. Wayne is trash and most of his "clever ish" takes a while to understand. And no, I'm not supporting Juelz because he's from NY, so fall back. Wayne is trash whereas Santana is at least listenable -- at least more than Lil' Wayne. I'm not saying he's great or anything either. I'm sure you picked up on the sarcasm from my reply to Bobcats. Either way, I probably won't convince you that Juelz is better and you can't convince me that Wayne is better. So I don't think this is going anywhere.
 
I don't need to convince you...it's reality....

"I'm Back
I'm Crack"-garbage

"plus the babies love the kid/plus the ladies love the kid"-garbage

"I'm like
I'm nice"-garbage

Georiga Bush (you probably never heard it)>>>>>Santana's career.

Wayne at 16> Santana's career

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not supporting Juelz because he's from NY, so fall back.</div>
Lies.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">most of his "clever ish" takes a while to understand.</div>
Oh really? Or maybe your just slow.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I knocks off hoes all day, I'm mackin vicious.
Ask ya girl bout my dick she say thats delicious!
Ask ya girl did she spit she say dats nutricious!
Ask her did she get flipped she say dats tradition..</div>
Lil Wayne is definitely serious
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<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Lil Wayne is definitely serious
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That>Santana's career...

Your career on JBB> Santana's career.

"Do yall fools listen to rap or do you just skim through it?"

What Wayne songs have you heard anyway? Out of curiosity. You actually picked up an album or listened to singles?
 
No, I gotta agree with AF on this, even though it feels nasty supporting Wayne. But this isn't really a comparison of which one is actually good. Rather, you have to find out which one is less crappy. Wayne, as weak as he is, actually raps over a beat, while Juelz just yells "aye" every few seconds and rhymes the same words with each other. He kind of reminds me of Lil Jon.
 
Wayne has his moments to me....you can check Dedication 2, Tha Carter II, Tha Carter I. It seems like people on this site haven't even heard most of dudes work. I'm not going to say he is greatest, but I take his music for what it is, clever lines, and even some constructive songs here and there. I'm sure a lot of people here his singles and are turned off from his music in the first place.
 
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That>Santana's career...</div>
Santana would murk Wayne

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Your career on JBB> Santana's career.</div>
Of course mine is, but is your career on JBB better than Juelz?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">"Do yall fools listen to rap or do you just skim through it?"</div>
Didn't you just pickup that 5-year old album a few weeks ago?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What Wayne songs have you heard anyway? Out of curiosity. You actually picked up an album or listened to singles?</div>
A few of my friends listen to Lil' Wayne and play his music, so I'm forced to listen to it if I'm in the room. I also turn on BET occasionally, so I've heard a substantial amount of his music, unfortunately. Anyway, Santana makes better songs than Lil' Wayne.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Didn't you just pickup that 5-year old album a few weeks ago?</div>
Does it matter when I picked it up? I still picked it up, and I listen to it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I also turn on BET occasionally, so I've heard a substantial amount of his music, unfortunately.</div>
BET= singles, just like I said. I highly doubt you've heard ****.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Of course mine is, but is your career on JBB better than Juelz?</div>
Mine is better than his and yours. You want me to prove it and I will....set it up. (<--- I don't come at people sideways)

I understand....your just mad cause Wayne is stylin on you and anybody out of Harlem right now.
 
All I know is this:
When I got Juelz Santana From Me To U I listened to it QUITE A BIT. SO therefore in my opinion it is good. I was looking at some of the lyrics and yeah they are not very good, but I listened to that album quite a few times. Lil Wayne I have listened to most of his tracks ONCE - once was enough.... again to me has a weak voice, by that I mean, he probably needs to have his voice multi-tracked to give it any sort of presence, and his rhymes I just do not understand at all, not to mention his timing seems off and his beats sound like crap. Maybe he is a lyrical genius under all that but he hasn't had the right venue to showcase his skills in that case.
And New York has some rappers that I hate - Cassidy, 50 Cent and the new Mobb Deep stuff is painful to listen to.
It's sad how few good rappers there are out there.
Even Common's last album I think was just okay. And if I never hear Kanye West's voice on a track again in my life I will be great with it.
I was listening to the Makaveli album today - timeless....I think I'll stick with that.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Skillz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Cassidy is from Philly</div>

oh. my bad. Philly has the Roots so Philly is cool.
 
yea Cassidy's punchlines are sick. Step up on ya door like Jehovah's witness, and bring more n**gaz to your crib than your older sister. I was like woah.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Skillz Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">yea Cassidy's punchlines are sick. Step up on ya door like Jehovah's witness, and bring more n**gaz to your crib than your older sister. I was like woah.</div>
a punchline is one thing, an album is another. his last album is collecting dust somewhere
 
I'm a Hustler was a sick song. I was bumpin that for a while.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Fabolous and Jadakiss are good.</div>
How so?
 
Kanye West minus his post fame ego is good.....College Drop Out is a classic in my eyes.

Also theres a reason why Wayne is on every Dipset album thats made these days, they know whats up.

One more thing, Joe Budden is the best Northern artists I have heard in a while. He's better than anyone out of NYC right now.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Carter Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I'll probably get bashed for this but whatever.
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What makes a rapper good? Flow, lyrics, what else?</div>
To album companies, the ability to sell records.
To some people to make nice rhymes and flow.
To other people to make good happy birthday songs.
To other people to rap about wanting to kill your mother and your wife.
To other people to have a feud with another rapper, and rap about your feud.
 
Being real and rapping of the real things. Not like 50 Cent etc. ayyy we gon sip bacardi im a gunit toy soldier uuuuhhhh.

And ofcourse lyrics, flow, beat.

My opinion: South songs have the best beats, the best lyrics are usually from the Eastcoast MC's (especially NAS).
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How so?</div>

Jadakiss is considered by a LOT of people to be the best MC in the game right now. I hear it a lot from people that I talk to.
 
Their lying to you. Jada doesn't even put out enough material to be the best in the game right now.

Nas>Jadakiss

Fab was ok, he kinda fell off as well. Guess who is on his newest song? (JBBS favorite rapper)....
 
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">

Early-to-Mid 90's Rap >>> Modern Rap

(although that's kind of common knowledge)</div>
Hate generalizations like that.

I loved early 90's rap, but there's just as much good stuff out there right now if you look for it. If you were to say early 90's mainstream>>>today's mainstream, then I'd agree 100%.

On the other stuff, I'm real picky with mainstream, but I do think Fabolous is nice. Jada is decent, but nothing special.

On the Juelz - Wayne topic, Wayne >>> Juelz. They both are pretty horrible, but Juelz (or Dipset in general) is as bad as it gets right now.

As far as what makes a rapper good, to me it's the content and delivery of the lyrics, as well as creativity and subject matter. I think flow is overrated, because anybody could flow over a beat without actually saying something. Image means nothing to me since most of the rappers I listen to don't even have videos or get any publicity whatsoever.
 
<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kanye West minus his post fame ego is good.....College Drop Out is a classic in my eyes.
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Yeah i was thinking about this today... I love his lyrics, beats, just his style in general, but the only thing i dont like is how cocky he is, and the size his ego swelled too.
Oh and OT, but On those sites like albumbase, can you only dl one album per hour or something like that?
 
<div class="quote_poster">44Thrilla Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hate generalizations like that.
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Isn't that a generalization?
 
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