OT What NBA players will "break out" this season?

[Strenuus]

And I'll say something to you your dad should have said. Don't be so sensitive, snowflake. Jeezus christ, it's an anonymous internet discussion forum. People fucking disagree. Get used to it. If my posts hurt your feelings that much, put me on ignore and get on with your life.

BNM

Then who the fuck have I met at the skybox game, the meet and greet... What... what IS GOING ON?!?! :MARIS61:








:MARIS61:

 

[riverman]

I like turtles and random absurd posts! Bring back jlprk damnit! His favorite posts of the week were the best!

 

[theprunetang]

I like turtles and random absurd posts! Bring back jlprk damnit! His favorite posts of the week were the best!

There was a certain kind of Dadaist appeal to his posts.

 

[H.C.]

Nurk IS going to have one. I think we all expect him to that's why nobody's talking about it. Why the league isn't, well, we know why.

With starters minutes, a full offseason of working out, more familiarity with the playbook, going through a whole training camp and preseason, and being in a contract year, I predict Nurk's line to be:

PPG: 18+
RPG: 10+
APG: 4
BPG: 2.5
SPG: 1.5
FG%: .570
MPG: 33+

IMHO this is a modest prediction but I'm predicting an MIP season for The Big Nurk.

If you look at Stotts offense when he first got to Portland, and the offense he had for Dirk.
A lot of those plays were at elbow extended/side pick and roll
Aldridge sucked ass at the elbow extended. Forcing Stotts to adjust.(Aldridge certainly wasn't going to)
Nurk however due to his natural ability, showed unlike Aldridge he was comfortable at elbow extended.
Between Stotts' offense, the scoring ability CJ & Lillard have.. That Nurk will be closer to 7 - 8 apg.
But I also think he'll be closer to 15ppg.

 

[Boob-No-More]

If you look at Stotts offense when he first got to Portland, and the offense he had for Dirk.
A lot of those plays were at elbow extended/side pick and roll
Aldridge sucked ass at the elbow extended. Forcing Stotts to adjust.(Aldridge certainly wasn't going to)
Nurk however due to his natural ability, showed unlike Aldridge he was comfortable at elbow extended.
Between Stotts' offense, the scoring ability CJ & Lillard have.. That Nurk will be closer to 7 - 8 apg.
But I also think he'll be closer to 15ppg.

There has only been one center in the history of the NBA to ever average => 7.0 APG. Wilt; he did it twice: 7.8 APG in 1966-67 and 8.6 APG in 1967-68. As much as we all love Nurk, it's highly unlikely that he becomes the first center in 50 years to average => 7.0 APG.

BNM

 

[H.C.]

There has only been one center in the history of the NBA to ever average => 7.0 APG. Wilt; he did it twice: 7.8 APG in 1966-67 and 8.6 APG in 1967-68. As much as we all love Nurk, it's highly unlikely that he becomes the first center in 50 years to average => 7.0 APG.

BNM

Stop ruining the dream okay.

 

[Minstrel]

Stop ruining the dream okay.

I appreciate your optimism, but the Dream won back-to-back DPotY while also winning the media regular season MVP as well as The Sporting News MVP in one of those years as well as the Finals MVP that year. No one else has ever done that and as much as we all love Nurk, it's highly unlikely that he becomes only the second center ever to do that.

 

[H.C.]

I appreciate your optimism, but the Dream won back-to-back DPotY while also winning the media regular season MVP as well as The Sporting News MVP in one of those years as well as the Finals MVP that year. No one else has ever done that and as much as we all love Nurk, it's highly unlikely that he becomes only the second center ever to do that.

Funny thing is I'm not that sold on Nurk. I just thinkhe's going to average a lot of assists because of Stotts and playing with Lillard & CJ.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Zach Collins... He'll be the next Kevin Garnett baby!!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

As I said in the NBA Africa thread: I think Oladipo will have a good year. Part of that will be getting away from a certain ballhog, but part of it will be growth and having a more featured role.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There has only been one center in the history of the NBA to ever average => 7.0 APG. Wilt; he did it twice: 7.8 APG in 1966-67 and 8.6 APG in 1967-68. As much as we all love Nurk, it's highly unlikely that he becomes the first center in 50 years to average => 7.0 APG.

BNM

And of course the main reason he did it was because people were bitching about him scoring too much. So basically it was a big fuck you. Wilt was so far and away the most talented big man (particularly relative to his era) it's obscene. I think what held him back is he just wasn't a killer. He was a lover (and how!) not a fighter.

He's about the only player from the sixties who would (easily) make the NBA today. I guess Russell too, but he would be more of a role player.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I am not a sensitive snowflake.

I take that as an insult to me. BLOCKED.

 

[chzbrgr]

Zach Collins... He'll be the next Kevin McHale baby!!

FIFY

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Especially when only two guys on your roster are capable to taking their defender off the dribble.

Shabazz says "hi".

 

[Minstrel]

He's about the only player from the sixties who would (easily) make the NBA today. I guess Russell too, but he would be more of a role player.

I think Russell would have translated into this era as a star or superstar, as well (and I've always been Team Chamberlain in the Chamberlain/Russell debates). I think he compares well to someone like Hakeem Olajuwon. Perhaps not quite as gifted a post player, but probably a better rebounder. Tim Duncan is another template, to me, of the type of impact I think he'd have today. He wouldn't have been a dominant scorer, but the kind of guy who would essentially always anchor a top defense, score enough to be a significant threat in the post and rebound extremely well.

 

[H.C.]

He's about the only player from the sixties who would (easily) make the NBA today. I guess Russell too, but he would be more of a role player.

Oscar, West, Baylor I think all would easily make the NBA today.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think Russell would have translated into this era as a star or superstar, as well (and I've always been Team Chamberlain in the Chamberlain/Russell debates). I think he compares well to someone like Hakeem Olajuwon. Perhaps not quite as gifted a post player, but probably a better rebounder. Tim Duncan is another template, to me, of the type of impact I think he'd have today. He wouldn't have been a dominant scorer, but the kind of guy who would essentially always anchor a top defense, score enough to be a significant threat in the post and rebound extremely well.

He's just not as big as centers these days, though. He had a great wingspan (7'4" Google tells me) but he only weighed 220. That said, he had to battle Chamberlain, so I guess he could probably handle it.

 

[Minstrel]

He's just not as big as centers these days, though. He had a great wingspan (7'4" Google tells me) but he only weighed 220.

If he played today, though, he'd be doing the same weight training as everyone else. Certainly, this is speculation, but I assume he'd put on more muscle mass. You're right that if you just teleported him straight out of the 1960s and into a game today, he'd struggle at center--but even then, he could probably move down a position and be a great power forward. Power forward is no longer a position of behemoths, generally.

 

[dviss1]

Why is that so impossible? Maybe Stotts' didn't tell him word for word, but I think I can guarantee he did tell Allen what his 'role' ( their's that pesky word again.)was while he was a member of the Blazers and one of two guys named Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum where playing for the Blazers.

You can't have all five guys on the court trying to break down their defender and taking them off the dribble every play or most of every play in a game. When that happens watch your ball movement and pace of play fall with a THUD. You HAVE TO have at least 2 players on the court to take a step back and accept a smaller role (uh oh, there is that word again.) for the betterment of the success of the team.

That is what Crabbe did for the Blazers. Now he is not a member of the Blazers, so he no longer has to fill that 'role'( Is three a charm?)anymore.

Your 6th man always has the green light. Crabbe was our 6th man.

 

[Sinobas]

He's just not as big as centers these days, though. He had a great wingspan (7'4" Google tells me) but he only weighed 220. That said, he had to battle Chamberlain, so I guess he could probably handle it.

Marcus Camby was only 220, and he was an elite shot blocker and rebounder when healthy. He wasn't nearly as athletic as Russell either.

 

[Chris Craig]

Your 6th man always has the green light. Crabbe was our 6th man.

Who is it now...Evan Jesus God Turner

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There has only been one center in the history of the NBA to ever average => 7.0 APG. Wilt; he did it twice: 7.8 APG in 1966-67 and 8.6 APG in 1967-68. As much as we all love Nurk, it's highly unlikely that he becomes the first center in 50 years to average => 7.0 APG.

BNM

Now THAT is an outfit.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Vonleh Vonleh, Vonleh... Vonleh.

Hey!!
VOnleh!!!

 

[riverman]

He's about the only player from the sixties who would (easily) make the NBA today

whoa there....I don't buy this at all....I can name some great players from the 60s who would dominate in the present era.....without handchecking and the 3 pt shot some would break records...Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, on and on....its a deeper field than most folks think from those days....if he had played in the era of the 3 pt shot, Jerry West would have the current scoring title I'm guessing....he's up there with all his deep shots only counting for 2pts
there are many great players from the 60's ...the Globetrotters had some of the greatest to ever play the game in the 60's...Meadow Lark Lemon would have dazzled in the modern NBA.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Now THAT is an outfit.

And THAT is an athlete. He could high jump 7', was a 3-time conference champion in the 330-yard intermediate hurdlers in his three seasons at Kansas and could bench press 550 lb. (he was still benching 465 lb. at the age of 59). There has never been another human being with such a unique combination of size, speed, strength and athleticism. I doubt if I'll ever see one again in my lifetime.

BNM

 

[BBert]

If he played today, though, he'd be doing the same weight training as everyone else. Certainly, this is speculation, but I assume he'd put on more muscle mass. You're right that if you just teleported him straight out of the 1960s and into a game today, he'd struggle at center--but even then, he could probably move down a position and be a great power forward. Power forward is no longer a position of behemoths, generally.

Good point. Take yesterday's stars, raise them from youth with the same nutrition, supplements, and training methods, there is no reason to assume they would not be as good as players today. Unless one thinks humans have genetically mutated in the last 40 years to be better athletes. Yes I get that there is a larger population pool, but yesterday's stars would also have been much better than they were if they'd had today's training and nutrition.

 

[BBert]

Now THAT is an outfit.

Cool shoes.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Come on one Come on ALL!!!
Lets hop on The Vonleh Train!!!!!

The VOnleh Train is gonna take off this year!!! Dont miss the ride!!!!!

 

[Orion Bailey]

I need to make a shirt that says, take a ride on the Vonleh Train!

 

[riverman]

Cool shoes.

We wore those Converse All Star flat footed high tops in the 60s...it was a requirement to wear two pair of sweat socks to take the pounding of the court...shoes had no arch support at all...those weren't light shoes either...the soles would not wear out quickly like they do these days.