What The Bible Really Says About Sex

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My pastor just had this opinion piece published by Fox News. Considering all the "religious" threads recently floating around in these parts, thought I'd share it with you guys...FWIW.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/01/03/what-bible-really-says-about-sex/?test=faces

Sex is a selfish act, a conquest of personal fulfillment.

That’s the mindset of most people in our culture regarding sex—even if it’s only subconscious. For the most part, our society celebrates the process of hook up, shack up, and break up.

All you have to do is take a moment to observe the way sex is communicated in our culture.

Thousands of articles are churned out on how to cope with a past of multiple partners and how to find the next one.

Porn is a massive industry, generating $10 to $14 billion annually in revenues.

Nearly every sitcom on the air seems to make light of sleeping around, and films like "No Strings Attached" and "Friends with Benefits" lure young eyes to the theater, while a sex-crazed Tucker Max boasts about his conquests and skyrockets to the top of the New York Times bestseller list, becoming a cult hero for young slackers everywhere.

It also explains why sex trafficking is a $32 billion global industry, 45,000 to 50,000 young girls are trafficked in the United States every year, and why one in 12 youths experience sexual victimization, including sexual assault and attempted or completed rape.

The problem, however, is not sex.

It's us.

In order to understand this, we must first understand the underlying cause of all the problems in this world: sin.

In the Bible, Paul says of the human condition:

For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

"Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!" Amen (Romans 1:21-25).

And in case you think Paul is on some self-righteous kick to condemn sinners, he makes clear in the same letter that all of humanity is in the same boat, writing, "Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things" (Romans 2:1).

And to drive the point home, he writes, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

Thankfully, he also adds, "and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith." (Romans 3:23-25).

The point is this: as humans, we're all sinners and all in need of God's grace, given freely through Jesus. And apart from Jesus, we all pervert God's good gifts, such as sex.

Thankfully, God is also merciful and loving. This is why he sent us Jesus to save us from our sin, and it is also why he gave us the Bible to help us understand his plan for a life that honors him and as a result leads to true fulfillment.

The Bible has a lot to say about sex—including that it's good and that it glorifies God when we enjoy sex in the context for which He created it.

So, I thought I'd share seven sex essentials from the Bible that my wife Grace and I included in our new book, "Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship, & Life Together":

1. God created us male and female in His image and likeness with dignity, equality, value, and worth. Men and women are different and complement one another (Genesis 1:27-28).

2. Love is more like a song than a math equation. It requires a sense of poetry and passion to be any good at it, which is why people who are stuck in their heads struggle and are frustrated by it, and lovers prefer songs to syllogisms (Song of Solomon, all of it).

3. Marriage is for one man and one woman by God’s design. This is the consistent teaching of the Bible from the table of contents to the appendix and the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself (Genesis 2:24-25, Matthew 19:4).

4. God created sex. God made our bodies “very good” with “male and female” parts and pleasures. When our first parents consummated their covenant, God was not shocked or horrified, because He created our bodies for sex. The reason that sex is fun, pleasurable, and wonderful is because it is a reflection of the loving goodness of God who created it as a gift for us to steward and enjoy (Genesis 2:24-25).

5. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Sinful sex includes homosexuality, erotica, bestiality, bisexuality, fornication, friends with benefits, adultery, swinging, prostitution, incest, rape, polygamy, polyandry, sinful lust, pornography, and pedophilia (I Corinthians 6:9-11,18-20, Hebrews 13:4).

6. Sex is to be done in such a way that there is no shame (Genesis 2:25; Proverbs 5:18-23). Many people experience shame in regard to sex. Sometimes shame is a gift from God in response to our sexual sin, sometimes it is the devastating feeling we bear because we have been sexually sinned against, and other times we have not sinned or been sinned against sexually but feel shame because we have wrong thinking and feelings about sex in general, or a sex act in particular.

7. Your standard of beauty is your spouse. God made one man and one woman. He did not ask them if they wanted someone tall or short, light or heavy, pale or dark skinned, with long or short hair. In short, He did not permit them to develop a standard of beauty. Instead, He gave them each a spouse as a standard of beauty (Genesis 2:23, Proverbs 6:20-35).

I understand that I'm writing to an audience that may not consist entirely of Christian believers, including some who may even be hostile to Christianity. I also understand that many of these points will either rub some of you the wrong way or even enrage you. But, I make no apologies for the Bible and what it says.

I will say this, however... I don't write them to condemn you, nor does the Bible. Rather, I ask you to consider your motivations for sex.

Have you ever truly given yourself to someone selflessly to love them, explore them, and cherish them until death do you part? Have you spent your life pursuing pleasure instead of seeking to give pleasure to a lifelong spouse? And, are you truly happy and fulfilled with your sex life?

The problem isn't our partners. It's us. We've perverted sex and misused it. God's way is the best way, and I encourage you to humbly pray and think about what he has to say about us and sex in his word, the Bible.

As someone who was sexually active before becoming a Christian, I don’t consider myself more holy than anyone else. But, after experiencing Jesus’ forgiveness, becoming a Christian, understanding what the Bible teaches about sex, having massive change in my thoughts and actions about sex, marrying, and today, happily and faithfully married to the same woman for what is approaching 20 years, I sincerely want you to experience the fullness of what God has for you in Jesus Christ.


Mark Driscoll is the founding pastor of one of America’s largest, fastest-growing and most innovative churches (Mars Hill Church in Seattle, Washington). He was recently named one of the “25 Most Influential Pastors of the Past 25 Years” by Preaching magazine. Driscoll is also co-founder of the Acts 29 Network (which has planted over 500 churches in the U.S. and 13 other nations around the world). He is the author of 15 books, including the newly-released "Real Marriage: The Truth About Sex, Friendship and Life Together" (Thomas Nelson 2012).
 
Do you go to the Mars Hill Church in SE Portland?
 
You don't really commute to Seattle every Sunday, do you?
 
And I think Mark is guilty of generalization on a worldwide scale when he judges 6 billion people he's never met and declares "most" of them think "Sex is a selfish act, a conquest of personal fulfillment."

That's a mighty high horse he's riding.
 
And I think Mark is guilty of generalization on a worldwide scale when he judges 6 billion people he's never met and declares "most" of them think "Sex is a selfish act, a conquest of personal fulfillment."

That's a mighty high horse he's riding.

You certainly have the right to disagree. When I said FWIW in my op, I meant it.
 
You certainly have the right to disagree.

Actually, I don't anymore.

Obama can legally have me swept off to some undisclosed FEMA internment camp by interpreting my remark as "terroristic".
 
Porn is a massive industry, generating $10 to $14 billion annually in revenues......It also explains why sex trafficking is a $32 billion global industry, 45,000 to 50,000 young girls are trafficked in the United States every year, and why one in 12 youths experience sexual victimization, including sexual assault and attempted or completed rape.
Shocking. I definitely think Porn promotes/is tied to sexual assaults and trafficking.
 
You don't really commute to Seattle every Sunday, do you?

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!

That was a dagger.

I think Maris may be referring to something aside from the church you attend.
 
Religion has been at war with sex for only about 2000 years or so. This is like the Crusades, the Energy Bunny of all wars. Just keep trying, guys. Religion will win any day now.
 
Religion has been at war with sex for only about 2000 years or so. This is like the Crusades, the Energy Bunny of all wars. Just keep trying, guys. Religion will win any day now.

Not quite sure what this has to do with what I had posted.

In fact...

4. God created sex. God made our bodies “very good” with “male and female” parts and pleasures. When our first parents consummated their covenant, God was not shocked or horrified, because He created our bodies for sex. The reason that sex is fun, pleasurable, and wonderful is because it is a reflection of the loving goodness of God who created it as a gift for us to steward and enjoy (Genesis 2:24-25).
 
4. God created sex. God made our bodies “very good” with “male and female” parts and pleasures. When our first parents consummated their covenant, God was not shocked or horrified, because He created our bodies for sex. The reason that sex is fun, pleasurable, and wonderful is because it is a reflection of the loving goodness of God who created it as a gift for us to steward and enjoy (Genesis 2:24-25).

Possible. Or maybe it's just that all of the humans who found sex boring and unpleasant died out ages ago, for some mysterious reason...

;)
 
Hey ABM hate to burst your bubble but his 3rd point says nothing about one man and one woman. King James Version says:

Genesis 2:24-25

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Matthew 19:4
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which amade them at the beginning made them male and female,

We know that Abraham took Haggar to wife as instructed by the Lord. We know that Jacob (Israel) did not have 12 sons by one woman. We know that King David and King Soloman were given many wives by the Lord and it was not for that reason that they both fell. Joseph Smith said it is one man and one woman unless God directs otherwise. We see that in the Bible.
 
Hey ABM hate to burst your bubble but his 3rd point says nothing about one man and one woman. King James Version says:

Genesis 2:24-25

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Matthew 19:4
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which amade them at the beginning made them male and female,

We know that Abraham took Haggar to wife as instructed by the Lord. We know that Jacob (Israel) did not have 12 sons by one woman. We know that King David and King Soloman were given many wives by the Lord and it was not for that reason that they both fell. Joseph Smith said it is one man and one woman unless God directs otherwise. We see that in the Bible.

His piece did say this, as well:

3. Marriage is for one man and one woman by God’s design. This is the consistent teaching of the Bible from the table of contents to the appendix and the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself (Genesis 2:24-25, Matthew 19:4).

5. Sex outside of marriage is a sin. Sinful sex includes homosexuality, erotica, bestiality, bisexuality, fornication, friends with benefits, adultery, swinging, prostitution, incest, rape, polygamy, polyandry, sinful lust, pornography, and pedophilia (I Corinthians 6:9-11,18-20, Hebrews 13:4).

7. Your standard of beauty is your spouse. God made one man and one woman. He did not ask them if they wanted someone tall or short, light or heavy, pale or dark skinned, with long or short hair. In short, He did not permit them to develop a standard of beauty. Instead, He gave them each a spouse as a standard of beauty (Genesis 2:23, Proverbs 6:20-35).

I understand that I'm writing to an audience that may not consist entirely of Christian believers, including some who may even be hostile to Christianity. I also understand that many of these points will either rub some of you the wrong way or even enrage you. But, I make no apologies for the Bible and what it says.

I will say this, however... I don't write them to condemn you, nor does the Bible. Rather, I ask you to consider your motivations for sex.

Have you ever truly given yourself to someone selflessly to love them, explore them, and cherish them until death do you part?

That said, back in the Old Testament times, some men were known to have more than one wife. I don't entirely understand it, but I'm certainly not questioning how God laid things out. My guess is, it was a means to populate the Earth. I mean, Adam & Eve were sister & brother, so to speak.

The New Testament really changed the playing field. God's pretty clear on that. Again, I'm not going to question Him on the matter.

I do understand that you're a Mormon, and Mormon beliefs vary from Christian beliefs on the matter of marriage, (do you believe in or embrace polygamy?), so I'll probably have to stop right here to say let's just agree to disagree.
 
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It's funny to read this thread. I've been watching a ton of Driscoll's videos on youtube lately.
 
It's funny to read this thread. I've been watching a ton of Driscoll's videos on youtube lately.

He's an outstanding speaker and man of God. I've really enjoyed this church and have found myself getting connected more than anywhere else I've attended. I'm part of a local community group on Monday nights. We really have a blast. Very cool people to hang with,
 
We use the same bible yet we have so many differences in our beliefs. Why is that? It's the interpretations that vary, not the scripture. That is why having the Book of Mormon as a second witness is such a good thing. Modern revelation is needed in our day, a second reference point is crucial to solving confusion. Christ says one fold and one shepherd yet Christianity is fractured into hundreds of pieces. Now do I embrace or believe in Polygamy? Of course, it was God's command and I certainly believe in that. Whatever God commands is right.
 
We use the same bible yet we have so many differences in our beliefs. Why is that? It's the interpretations that vary, not the scripture. That is why having the Book of Mormon as a second witness is such a good thing. Modern revelation is needed in our day, a second reference point is crucial to solving confusion. Christ says one fold and one shepherd yet Christianity is fractured into hundreds of pieces. Now do I embrace or believe in Polygamy? Of course, it was God's command and I certainly believe in that. Whatever God commands is right.

I wish you the best in your quest for truth.
 
Truth is easier to determine when there are multiple points of reference.
 
A biblical interpretation is not scripture so why would I reference it? As for the Koran I don't know enough about the origins or contents to make a solid judgement. Can you help me out on that or what?
 
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Then again a quick search has revealed that the Quran has quite a bit in common with Christianity and Judaism. I'll have to read it.
 
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A biblical interpretation is not scripture so why would I reference it? As for the Koran I don't know enough about the origins or contents to make a solid judgement. Can you help me out on that or what?

My point was to a non-mormon ABM referencing Mark Driscoll is no different than you referencing Joseph Smith.
 
It is very different actually. Joseph is a prophet called of God to restore the fullness of the gospel and open the last dispensation. I have no problem with the things Mr. Driscoll said with one exception noted above. Very different, doesn't mean Mr. Driscoll cannot teach truth, he's just not a prophet who speaks to the world on behalf of God.
 
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Prove Joseph Smith is a prophet. I'm sure God's priority was to let you know He'll scoot over on the throne and let you become like Him. Satan got kicked out of heaven because he wanted to be like God, God told Eve she could be like God too. Satan is a liar. A "god" is nothing more than an idol posing as the ONE true God Almighty.
 
He was called to the work just like Moses was, the Bible speaks of both Joseph and the Book of Mormon. The priesthood keys were all restored to him, the prophet holds all of the keys of the priesthood on the earth in his time. Also your concept of becoming Gods is a bit flawed because God will always be our Father, that will not change. What it equates to is a Father seeing his son become a father, having a family of his own to lead. That is what it's like, God wants us to have everything he has, he wants to see us grow and become like him. Eternal life is the life of a God.
 
It is very different actually. Joseph is a prophet called of God to restore the fullness of the gospel and open the last dispensation. I have no problem with the things Mr. Driscoll said with one exception noted above. Very different, doesn't mean Mr. Driscoll cannot teach truth, he's just not a prophet who speaks to the world on behalf of God.

to a non-mormon he's just a man spouting opinions. the fact that he claimed to be a prophet is irrelevant to a non-mormon. you seem to think it should be relevant for some reason.
 
He was called to the work just like Moses was
according to him and only him.

the Bible speaks of both Joseph and the Book of Mormon.
Where? I've been studying the Bible for years and I've never seen anything that foreshadows the coming of Joseph Smith or a prophet arising after Jesus Christ. I do, however, read about evil spirits coming in the latter days deceiving many and twisting the Gospel of the Lord Jesus.

The priesthood keys were all restored to him, the prophet holds all of the keys of the priesthood on the earth in his time.
Jesus is our priest, not Smith.

Also your concept of becoming Gods is a bit flawed because God will always be our Father, that will not change. What it equates to is a Father seeing his son become a father, having a family of his own to lead. That is what it's like, God wants us to have everything he has, he wants to see us grow and become like him. Eternal life is the life of a God.

God wants us to be happy, but he doesn't want us to be "like Him" and have "everything He has". That's flawed thinking and twisting scriptures. The grace of Jesus Christ is what gives us eternal life, we don't have to become a "god" to attain this. There is one God, now and forever.
 

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