What The H?!!!

[ABM]

THIS is a bit disturbing to me......................to say the least.

Although identified only as Frank in Mr Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist and journalist who had been suspected of being a member of the Communist Party in the 1950s.

Obama's true colours: Making of the man who would be US president

Mr Davis moved to Honolulu from Chicago in 1948 with his second wife Helen Canfield, a white socialite, at the suggestion of his friend the actor Paul Robeson, who advised them that there would be more tolerance of a mixed race couple in Hawaii than on the American mainland.

A bohemian libertine who drank heavily and loved jazz, he became friends with Stanley Dunham, Mr Obama’s maternal grandfather in the 1960s. Mr Davis died in 1987 at the age of 81, five years before Mr Dunham.

“He knew Stan real well,” said Dawna Weatherly-Williams, a close friend of Mr Davis “They’d play Scrabble and drink and crack jokes and crack jokes and argue. Frank always won and he was always very braggadocio about it too. It was all jocular. They didn’t get polluted drunk. And Frank never really did drugs, though he and Stan would smoke pot together.”

While his mother was in Indonesia during part of his teenage years, Mr Obama lived with his white grandparents. Mrs Weatherly-Williams said that the poet was first introduced to the future Democratic presidential candidate in 1970 at the age of 10.

“Stan had been promising to bring Barry by because we all had that in common - Frank’s kids were half-white, Stan’s grandson was half-black and my son was half-black. We all had that in common and we all really enjoyed it. We got a real kick out of reality.”

Maya Soetoro-Ng, Obama's half-sister, told the Associated Press recently that her grandfather had seen Mr Davis was “a point of connection, a bridge if you will, to the larger African-American experience for my brother".

In his memoir, Mr Obama recounts how he visited Mr Davis on several occasions, apparently at junctures when he was grappling with racial issues, to seek his counsel. At one point in 1979 Mr Davis described university as “an advanced degree in compromise” that was designed to keep blacks in their place.

Mr Obama quoted him as saying: “Leaving your race at the door. Leaving your people behind. Understand something, boy. You’re not going to college to get educated. You’re going there to get trained.”

He added that “they’ll tank on your chain and let you know that you may be a well-trained, well-paid ******, but you’re a ****** just the same.”

It has also been established that Mr Davis, who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in San Diego in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene.

In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the “similarities in style and phraseology” between the pornographic work and his poetry.

“I could not then truthfully deny that this book, which came out in 1968 as a Greenleaf Classic, was mine.” In the introduction to Sex Rebel, Mr Davis (writing as Greene) explains that although he has “changed names and identities…all incidents I have described have been taken from actual experiences”.

He stated that “under certain circumstances I am bisexual” and that he was “ a voyeur and an exhibitionist” who was “occasionally mildly interested in sado-masochism”, adding: “I have often wished I had two penises to enjoy simultaneously the double – but different – sensations of oral and genital copulation.”

The book, which closely tracks Mr Davis’s life in Chicago and Hawaii and the fact that his first wife was black and his second white, describes in lurid detail a series of shockingly sordid sexual encounters, often involving group sex.

One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.

“But there are exceptions. I didn’t want to disappoint the trusting child. At her still-impressionistic age, a rejection might be traumatic, could even cripple her sexually for life.”

He then described how he and his wife would have sex with the girl. “Anne came up many times the next several weeks, her aunt thinking she was in good hands. Actually she was.

“She obtained a course in practical sex from experienced and considerate practitioners rather than from ignorant insensitive neophytes….I think we did her a favour, although the pleasure was mutual.”

On other occasions, Mr Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on.

He boasted that “the number of white babes interested in at least one meeting with a Negro male has been far more than I can handle” and wished “America were as civilised as, say, Scandinavia”. He concluded: “I regret none of my experiences or unusual appetites; for me they are normal.”

According to Mrs Weatherly-Williams, Mr Davis lost touch with Mr Dunham some time in the 1980s. John Edgar Tidwell, who wrote the introduction to Davis's memoir and edited a collection of his work, said that there was no mention of Mr Dunham or Mr Obama in any of Mr Davis’s papers.

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

This sounds suspect. Still doesn't mean that Obama's rise to power is not suspect or exaggerated, to say the least.

 

[barfo]

What disturbs you about that? Now Obama's granddad's friends are a problem?
We've gone from 'terrorist when Obama was 8' to 'communist before Obama was born'.

barfo

 

[Shooter]

Just another normal, decent American guy that Obama used to "pal around with." No big deal. Apparently Obama has so many nut-case friends that he can't keep them all in the closet. Don't bother alerting the mainstream media, however. They have proven they couldn't give a rat's ass about all of Obama's unsavory associations. They've got their blinders on and their notebooks closed. All they want to do is install Obama in the White House as soon as possible, before the American public gets a whiff of one too many Obama scandals and changes its mind.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Just another normal, decent American guy that Obama used to "pal around with." No big deal. Apparently Obama has so many nut-case friends that he can't keep them all in the closet. Don't bother alerting the mainstream media, however. They have proven they couldn't give a rat's ass about all of Obama's unsavory associations. They've got their blinders on and their notebooks closed. All they want to do is install Obama in the White House as soon as possible, before the American public gets a whiff of one too many Obama scandals and changes its mind.

Seriously. I can't believe they're spending so much time on this whole "economic catastrophe" thing and refusing to dredge up suspected members of the communist party that Obama may or may not have been in the same room with once.

Oh, considering Fox News is the highest rated cable news channel on television, and ALL they do is talk about this kind of shit, I'd say that the mainstream media isn't ignoring it.

 

[ABM]

What disturbs you about that? Now Obama's granddad's friends are a problem?
We've gone from 'terrorist when Obama was 8' to 'communist before Obama was born'.

barfo

I was under the impression that Obama's granddad took a large part in raising him.........that is, during his "impressionable" years. It would occur to me that his granddad's buddies would also have some influence...............at least to a degree.

The other night, I was listening to a guy (investigative journalist) on the radio who was around Obama in Hawaii between the ages of around 9 to 18. He shared one story of being around Obama's grandfather and Barack, and this Davis character at a strip club Davis apparently owned or managed............and looking on in wonderment as little 10-year-old Barack's feet dangled/swung off the stool of the bar as he gazed at all the pornography hanging on the walls behind him.

I didn't listen to all of the radio show, but the journalist indicated that Obama had "constantly" been around (perhaps infulence by) many, many characters of this sort while in Hawaii. Heh, perhaps, he was witness to a "Z-Bo" type of lifestyle all of those early years. Who knows.

"Who cares?", you might ask? To some degree, I do........I'm, at the very least, interested/concerned. Will it directly influence my vote? Perhaps not. Yet, it is just as much part of my interest and intrigue as Sarah Palin's "abuse of power" might be.

 

[barfo]

"Who cares?", you might ask? To some degree, I do........I'm, at the very least, interested/concerned. Will it directly influence my vote? Perhaps not. Yet, it is just as much part of my interest and intrigue as Sarah Palin's "abuse of power" might be.

I'm interested also. But it doesn't concern me.

What concerns me are the things you did as a 10-year old, ABM. I'm just not sure whether you should be posting here given your childhood history. ABM, have you rehabilitated yourself?

barfo

 

[ABM]

I'm interested also. But it doesn't concern me.

What concerns me are the things you did as a 10-year old, ABM. I'm just not sure whether you should be posting here given your childhood history. ABM, have you rehabilitated yourself?

barfo

OK, well, I'm now concerned that you're concerned about what I did as a 10-year-old. Ick?

 

[Shooter]

Seriously. I can't believe they're spending so much time on this whole "economic catastrophe" thing and refusing to dredge up suspected members of the communist party that Obama may or may not have been in the same room with once.

I find it interesting that so many Bush haters think it's relevant that he used to drink, and party, and hang out with oil people--yet they think Obama's past and current "associations" should have no bearing on this election.

 

[maxiep]

The problem with Obama is that he's tried very hard to hide his past. Other than Fox, there's no one still asking questions about it. For better or for worse, the backgrounds of other presidential candidates have been open books.

What I find alarming is that if Sen. Obama applied for an unelected government job that required security clearance, he wouldn't qualify. Luckily for him, the presidency has two requirements: being born on US soil and being 36 years of age.

 

[barfo]

What I find alarming is that if Sen. Obama applied for an unelected government job that required security clearance, he wouldn't qualify. Luckily for him, the presidency has two requirements: being born on US soil and being 36 years of age.

Why wouldn't he qualify for a security clearance?

barfo

 

[maxiep]

Why wouldn't he qualify for a security clearance?

barfo

Because of his associations. Security clearances are a bitch. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

 

[barfo]

Because of his associations. Security clearances are a bitch. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

So no one that served on one of those boards with Ayers could get a security clearance? I kind of think maybe they could. The connection might well be investigated - but the government is set up for that.

barfo

 

[Shooter]

Luckily for him, the presidency has two requirements: being born on US soil and being 36 years of age.

I believe you have to be 35.

 

[Minstrel]

I believe you have to be 35.

And elected by the nation.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Not true. See Ford, Gerald.

 

[Minstrel]

Not true. See Ford, Gerald.

He was elected, though it was as Vice President. But, of course, that example isn't relevant here in any case.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Actually, he wasn't.

He was promoted to VP by Nixon after Agnew resigned. He was (iirc) Speaker of the House, though I'd have to look that up.

He was never elected to anything nationally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

 

[MARIS61]

The other night, I was listening to a guy (investigative journalist) on the radio who was around Obama in Hawaii between the ages of around 9 to 18.

Because this future IJ, even as an adolescent, knew Obama would someday be a Presidential Candidate?

He shared one story of being around Obama's grandfather and Barack, and this Davis character at a strip club Davis apparently owned or managed.......

What a scoop for him! Imagine the odds against the 4 of them ever being together at the same time anywhere, never mind at a strip club! Imagine the odds against him remembering it after 37 years!

If this IJ is very old, he was in his 20's, at a strip club, "around" a couple of black geezer nobodies and one's grandson. I don't have a sharp recollection from ANY time I visited a strip club, let alone 37 years ago.

......and looking on in wonderment as little 10-year-old Barack's feet dangled/swung off the stool of the bar as he gazed at all the pornography hanging on the walls behind him.

Aww...ABM never saw a pin-up when he was young? That's so sweet.


...I didn't listen to all of the radio show...

Smart move. Your time is worth more than that.

 

[Minstrel]

Actually, he wasn't.

He was promoted to VP by Nixon after Agnew resigned. He was (iirc) Speaker of the House, though I'd have to look that up.

He was never elected to anything nationally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

Fair enough. Good point. Though still irrelevant to the discussion, since if Obama is president, it'll be through election.

 

[MARIS61]

What I find alarming is that if Sen. Obama applied for an unelected government job that required security clearance, he wouldn't qualify.

Utter nonsense.

If they gave me one, they'll give anyone one.

 

[MARIS61]

Actually, he wasn't.

He was promoted to VP by Nixon after Agnew resigned. He was (iirc) Speaker of the House, though I'd have to look that up.

He was never elected to anything nationally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

He was rewarded for his role in preventing the Warren Commission from seeking Justice.

 

[ABM]

Aww...ABM never saw a pin-up when he was young? That's so sweet.

The way he described it was far beyond your auto parts store calendar stuff. But, you're already entrenched in your viewpoint, so that really won't much matter to you, anyway.

No need to be condescending, either.

 

[Minstrel]

The way he described it was far beyond your auto parts store calendar stuff.

What's the significance, though? That Obama's mind has been warped from seeing pictures of naked women as a child and will take the US down a path of sexual deviance?

I honestly don't understand the significance of that anecdote.

 

[ABM]

What's the significance, though? That Obama's mind has been warped from seeing pictures of naked women as a child and will take the US down a path of sexual deviance?

I honestly don't understand the significance of that anecdote.

It was just one experiential example, that's all. The context of the matter, though, was that Obama's grandfather was a good friend of a hard-core pornographer.......among other activities..........who apparently hung around Obama quite a bit as he was growing up. Hence, I posted this, below:

I was under the impression that Obama's granddad took a large part in raising him.........that is, during his "impressionable" years. It would occur to me that his granddad's buddies would also have some influence...............at least to a degree.

 

[ABM]

More on the same.......FWIW.

in another major scandal involving Obama, the tabloid National Enquirer has seized upon the Frank Marshall Davis story in its October 20 issue. It glosses over his Communist Party membership and focuses instead on his role as sex pervert, pedophile, pornographer and mentor to Obama. This "exclusive" was actually broken wide open by my group America's Survival, Inc. weeks ago. Andrew Walden of the Hawaii Free Press, an expert on the history and influence of the Communist Party in Hawaii, obtained and examined Davis's Sex Rebel book. Before that, Toby Harnden of the London Daily Telegraph had written a story about the book and Davis. "Mr. Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on," Harnden reported.


You have to wonder, of course, whether an Enquirer story is true or not. This one is definitely true. There is no question that Davis wrote Sex Rebel under a pseudonym. Some excerpts of the Sex Rebel book are available on my website. Caution: the material is for adults only.

While Rush Limbaugh mentioned this matter on the air on his Tuesday show, some others in the conservative media are unwilling to cover it. Bill O'Reilly in particular seems fearful of getting into it. On other occasions, however, Fox News is eager and willing to cover sex scandals.

Obama, of course, can't be held responsible for the fact that his grandfather, Stanley Dunham, turned him over to an admitted child molester at the tender age of 10 for guidance. But it is a fact that Davis was his mentor. Not even Obama supporters dispute this anymore. Basic journalism would dictate, therefore, asking why Obama only referred to Davis in one of his books as "Frank" and what influence he had over Obama during eight formative years of his life in Hawaii. Was Davis Obama's sex teacher? Did he influence Obama to take liberal views on such matters as homosexuality and abortion? This possibility makes the Davis-Obama relationship one of national political importance.

What exactly happened in Davis's home? We know from the record that Davis and Dunham drank alcohol and smoked pot together. Obama admits drinking with Davis as well and going on to smoke marijuana and use cocaine. What else happened between them besides listening to Davis's poetry?

In terms of shaping Obama's world view, Davis may have had as much influence as Wright. Indeed, both Davis and Wright expressed anti-white views and sentiments, and that linkage is significant. It connects Hawaii to Chicago.

The sex part makes some people squirm. We don't want to consider the implications. But Obama is running for the office of president of the United States. We are supposed to have the right to know.

Davis led "a secret double life," the online version of the Enquirer story notes. True. But the story also notes that "Obama has been extremely secretive about the true nature of his experience with the self-admitted deviant." This is also true. And this is why this terribly troubling story just won't go away. There are too many questions that deserve answers.

One has to wonder if there is anything in Obama's medical records that may shed light on any of this. But while McCain made available to selected press people more than one thousand pages of his medical records, in order to reassure the public about the effects of his age, war injuries, and battle with cancer, Obama hasn't released a single page. Instead, a sympathetic doctor merely released a 276-word "summary," claiming he was in excellent health. This came after the Boston Globe reported that the Obama campaign had announced "plans to release his medical records" at the end of May. So much for truth and candor.

Obama appears to be vigorous and in good health. But others say that he appears frail and thin. He has admittedly fought a nicotine addiction and been a secret smoker and says he quit illegal drugs when he was 20. In terms of family history, Obama's mother died at the age of 52 because of ovarian cancer.

A one-page summary, of course, has been enough to satisfy the pro-Obama media, despite the broken campaign promise to release the records themselves.

If the truth about Obama and his associates is ever going to come out, it will have to come in response to increasing demands for the facts from the American people. The problem is that, as more is known and discovered, more questions emerge.

 

[MARIS61]

It was just one experiential example, that's all. The context of the matter, though, was that Obama's grandfather was a good friend of a hard-core pornographer.......among other activities..........who apparently hung around Obama quite a bit as he was growing up. Hence, I posted this, below:

Or was once in the same room as him 27 years ago, according to a nameless, self-proclaimed IJ who also claims to be clairvoyant, claims to have stalked Obama as a child, claims to have the same associations with said alleged pornographer, claimed to have been heard on an un-named radio show.

 

[MARIS61]

in another major scandal involving Obama, the tabloid National Enquirer...

Oxymoron?

 

[Masbee]

I find it interesting that so many Bush haters think it's relevant that he used to drink, and party, and hang out with oil people--yet they think Obama's past and current "associations" should have no bearing on this election.

You don't see a difference between a person being an alcoholic and the actions of ones friends, family and acquaintences?

 

[barfo]

It's hilarious to see a rightwinger calling for release of Obama's medical records.
McCain hasn't released his, and McCain's health is clearly a much bigger issue.

But wait, Obama's mom died of ovarian cancer. What if Obama has ovarian cancer? Has anyone ever seen his ovaries? The people have a right to know!

barfo