WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH CANO

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0-4 tonight and his average down to .290. The guy has his head up his rear at a time when they really need him leading the way.
 
Cano now has one homer in his last 26 games and his average is going to be in the .280s soon if he doesn't get himself going.
 
Messiah717 said:
Cano now has one homer in his last 26 games and his average is going to be in the .280s soon if he doesn't get himself going.
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In his last 11 games his aver has dropped from 306 to 290. He's gone 6 for 41 (146 BA) with 1 double, no triples, no HRs, & only one RBI.

In a way I'm kind of okay with this because he's showing the Yankee brass & ALL of baseball that he's not worth a 10 year contract. So at this rate a 6 year (tops!) contract would be justified.
 
He really does look like he's just not into it. Like I've said - his talent will get him a great deal, but when you pay that premium for the talent - you should expect some leadership with it, seeing that he's gonna been here a while. I do not see that Yankees getting any of those qualities from Cano, making this decision very interesting in terms of years/$$$.
 
...said this few times before, but I've soften my stance on resigning Cano. And my reason, though it may well be paranoid and/or imagined, is that the longer this biogenisis this plays out, I'm not so sure that Robbie is completely "clean".
 
yankeesince59 said:
...said this few times before, but I've soften my stance on resigning Cano. And my reason, though it may well be paranoid and/or imagined, is that the longer this biogenisis this plays out, I'm not so sure that Robbie is completely "clean".
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In remembering how tight him & Melky were & how they both took to A-Rod I've got my doubts also.
 
No doubt in my mind Cano was a big time juicer. Beyond that when comparing him to Pedroia one guy will run through a wall for you. The other one is a lazy non hustling non leader. Be careful who you give big money long term deals to.
 
By normal standards 280, 20+ HR's, 80-100 rbi's from a second baseman would be great. But his whole approach, swinging at first pitch, not covering the outside portion of the plate, missing a ton of balls down the middle or middle in. Maybe the pressure of the first 100 games of having to carry this offense alone, maybe the biogenisis, maybe the contract, maybe worried Arod will sell him out, most likely a combination of all of the above. I see no leadership skills, and considering what the future holds for us, that may be more important to this team then HR's Rbi's and average. I feel like we have no choice but to sign him, we have so little talent that has proven to produce these numbers.
 
...not sure how much leadership we can hope to get from Cano...he's been in the US for 8 years and has not bothered to learn and speak the English language ...kinda hard for him to communicate with most of the other players.


...just saying.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...not sure how much leadership we can hope to get from Cano...he's been in the US for 8 years and has not bothered to learn and speak the English language ...kinda hard for him to communicate with most of the other players.


...just saying.
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That really bugs me about baseball players from another country.... it doesn't really happen with hockey for example...
 
^^^ yup, I mean it's not like we're talking about Puig who just got here. I guaran-damn-tee you that if I spent the better part of 8 years of any country in the world, I'd at least beast able to speak fluently enough to be able to carry on a simple post game interview.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...not sure how much leadership we can hope to get from Cano...he's been in the US for 8 years and has not bothered to learn and speak the English language ...kinda hard for him to communicate with most of the other players.


...just saying.
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Sometimes 59 it's the little things, I never looked at it that way, good point
 
...I guess the language barrier works both ways...I mean it's gotta be difficult for an English speaking manager or captain to effectively convey instructions or ideas to someone from another country.
 
I did a little research and this is what I found:

REPORT HIGHLIGHTS
Players
 At the start of the 2012 season, the total percentage of players of color in the MLB was 38.2 percent. The opening day rosters were 61.2 percent white, 27.3 percent Latino, 8.8 percent African-American, 1.9 percent Asian, 0.1 percent Native American or Native Alaskan, and 0.1 Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.
 The percentage of African-American players increased to 8.8 percent of total players for the 2012 opening day rosters, up from 8.5 percent in 2011. Although this was a slight increase of 0.3 percentage points, it was still the second lowest percentage since 2007.
 The percentage of Latino players increased from 27 percent in 2011 to 27.3 percent on 2012 opening day rosters.
 The percentage of Asians slightly decreased from 2.1 percent to 1.9 percent, down by 0.2 percentage points.
 The percentage of African-American players in MLB has decreased from 19 percent in 1995 to 8.8 percent on 2012 opening day rosters. The debate on why African-Americans seem to be abandoning baseball continues to be a concern for MLB, which has significant Urban Youth initiatives to address this such as Reviving Baseball in Inner Cities (RBI) and Major League Baseball’s Urban Youth Academy.

So 59, your point about communication would potentially have an effect on anywhere from 0% to 40% of players. Potentially a huge gap and a logical assumption of why the young guys like Melky and Cano migrated to Arod.
 
...lol...and what about 3 way communications?...I wonder what would become of trying to get Jeter to say something to Kuroda and then have Kuroda relay it to Cano?
 
Cano does speak English. Not well, but he does speak it enough to not use an interpreter. I don't think his heavy accent should play into his deal. His lack of leadership shows more in his refusal to run hard at times and little things like that. People always question Canos desire when he is struggling. I would be more concerned about his constant speculation to ties with PEDs at least indirectly. You would hope if the yankees have even the slightest bit of knowledge in regards to that, they tread very carefully when it comes to how many years they commit.
I don't think Cano is going to be the next captain any time soon. He isn't that type of player. That isn't what they should be signing him for. It's his talent and production. If the Yankees don't think he can keep that up, they need to question whether he is worth another terrible contract on their books.
 
Hammerojustice said:
That really bugs me about baseball players from another country.... it doesn't really happen with hockey for example...
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It doesn't happen in basketball either. Yao Ming came over from China not knowing any english. Within two years he was doing commercials on US television. I'm sorry but there's just no excuse for it. Especially not after 8 years. But then you also have to look at Ichiro, what's he here now 13 years?
 
Really don't get why you guys are pinning this on cano. He both speaks and understands English. He is just difficult to understand when he speaks it.
 
Yblue said:
Really don't get why you guys are pinning this on cano. He both speaks and understands English. He is just difficult to understand when he speaks it.
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Nobody is pinning this on Cano, the original discussion was about communication. In order to be a leader, communication is necessary. I don't think he is built to be a leader regardless of what language(s) he speaks. And like you, I was in favor of blowing this thing up.
 
Yblue said:
Really don't get why you guys are pinning this on cano. He both speaks and understands English. He is just difficult to understand when he speaks it.
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...lol...the actual point escaped you.
 
Yblue said:
Incorrect. You said cano had not bothered to learn English. He very much has.
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...oh please, stop acting coy...you knew it was a figure of speech and you knew exactly what I was saying. Majorball knew what it was about and even explained it to you.
 
If you mean it say it. You said he didn't bother to learn English after 8 years and thereby can't be a leader. And being a leader has far less to do with that aspect than so other glaring issues. You are making something out of nothing and you are wrong about what you wrote to begin with.
 
...Jesus tap dancing Christ, what part of "it was a figure of speech" don't you understand?...you're taking something I said tongue in cheek, but you're interpreting it as literal....but yeah, I'm the one who's "making something out of nothing".


...I'll remember this BS of yours the next time you use a term to figuratively convey an idea.



...you're terrible, seriously, just terrible.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...Jesus tap dancing Christ, what part of "it was a figure of speech" don't you understand?...you're taking something I said tongue in cheek, but you're interpreting it as literal....but yeah, I'm the one who's "making something out of nothing".


...I'll remember this BS of yours the next time you use a term to figuratively convey an idea.



...you're terrible, seriously, just terrible.
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You made multiple posts going on about how it's been 8 years and he didn't bother to learn English and if it were you you would have learned it by now and now because I called you out it's an figure of speech? What figure of speech is that exactly? How does having an accent prevent him from being a leader? You sound either stupid or racist and yet you call me terrible.
 
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...right, right, my post was stupid and I'm a racist....wtf are you talking about now?...what was "racist" about anything I said. I pointed to and stated that the "language barrier" as being an obstacle for Cano being an effective "leader".
... Saying that he hasn't learned to speak English doesn't mean he can't speak a word of English...is that how you took it?...seriously? No, it meant he can't speak it very well and should be much better versed after over 8 years.

...here, just for you, the definition of "figure of speech"; http://grammar.about.com/od/fh/g/Figure-Of-Speech.htm

...I also pointed out that the language barrier probably created problematic for "English" speaking managers and players as well when trying to communicate with players from other countries....I suppose in your alternate universe, that is also construed as "racist"?

...and if you noticed, unlike you, other people understood what I was referring to and agreed with me...does that make them racists too?




...don't know what your problem is today, but you're the only one here coming off as "stupid".
 
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Please. You made a very stupid comment about cano not bothering to learn or speak English. Your words. Then something along the lines that of you were in a country for 8 years you guarantee you would learn the language. The you play this as a reason cano can't lead. Just incredible stupid and yes it comes off as racist. You type it, stand behind it.
 
...lmfao...yes, I did type it, you simply cannot grasp it...why is that?

...no, for the 3rd time, I make a very general statement which others understood and agreed with, but you decided to go off on a different tangent...your problem, not mine. And the only person in this thread who construed it as "racist or stupid" is you...seems to me that it is you who has the problem here.

...and yes, if a person cared to, as Cano should, he could be very fluent by now in the English language...ever hear of Rosetta Stone?

...please acknowledge me other points; 1. are the others who agreed with me also "racists"? 2. Do you now understand the meaning of "figure of speech"?

...and please, dumbass, if you are going to quote me, do it accurately...go back and read what I said. I did not say Cano "can't lead".
 
There you go again. Rosetta Stone? That's just racist. Cano is fully fluent I. English. He doesn't use an interpreter. He answers his own questions. Rivera is hard to understand to. Sure didn't stop him from being a teacher, mentor, and leader. Yes if people are stupid enough to think cano having an accent is the thing that is going to prevent him from leading they are being racist about it too. I know exactly what a figure of speech is. When you make a very straight statement and the go on to back that up multiple times that goes beyond a figure of speech. If you think I care if others in this thread agreeing with you matters to me you don't knows very well. It was a stupid racist thing to say and I'd you didn't mean it you should go back and retract it. Because as its stands in this thread that's how it reads.
 
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