OT what to do about kids in the new normal?

[lawai'a]

I'd say churches have the ability to handle some child care and a new job might be paying seniors to babysit without docking their social security so it's affordable for the parents and worth it for the seniors. It takes a village to raise a child is going to have meaning again.

without testing seniors would be at the highest risk. again this must be what the texas lt. governor meant about grandparents being willing to sacrifice themselves to reopen the economy. GREEN FONT

 

[riverman]

For the little kids do what China has done, teach them to assemble iphones and pay them in rice.

I was going to say....the Mexicans are no longer picking our lettuce so...…….what better education than a child knowing if they don't study they'll be picking lettuce forever

 

[lawai'a]

Going to be a challenge for sure. According to my wife (retired elementary teacher) there are discussions/ideas being kick around like, mornings afternoon sessions three days a week, all desk facing forward spaced apart, masks, temps, no play/recess, add buses and space kids with plexiglass screens, ect. On line classes for those that have great support at home and excel currently anyway. 30% of teachers are over 50 so that could be a consideration some way? There are years when a district/school is hit hard with norovirus and they will shut schools down. Herd immunity each year happens when kids come back to school and a good percentage get ill as the years progress's it improves. I feel bad because so many kids depend on school's for support and meals as their home life is not stable. They need to be a priority imo.

they need a BIGGER plan.

 

[riverman]

without testing seniors would be at the highest risk. again this must be what the texas lt. governor meant about grandparents being willing to sacrifice themselves to reopen the economy. GREEN FONT

Well the homeless need work so if the family elders have risky health conditions, that sure wouldn't be an option but all over the planet grandparents live in their children's homes already....Hawaii is an example of that. In that case, not much changes in the risk dept and raising kids is going to involve a risk factor during the pandemic until we've got vaccines so in my view....shut down school for the next year and a half....get a vaccine and then start back up...first responders have no choice

 

[jonnyboy]

Well the homeless need work so if the family elders have risky health conditions, that sure wouldn't be an option but all over the planet grandparents live in their children's homes already....Hawaii is an example of that. In that case, not much changes in the risk dept and raising kids is going to involve a risk factor during the pandemic until we've got vaccines so in my view....shut down school for the next year and a half....get a vaccine and then start back up...first responders have no choice

There may never be a vaccine, and even if there is, it may only be marginally effective.

 

[lawai'a]

Well the homeless need work so if the family elders have risky health conditions, that sure wouldn't be an option but all over the planet grandparents live in their children's homes already....Hawaii is an example of that. In that case, not much changes in the risk dept and raising kids is going to involve a risk factor during the pandemic until we've got vaccines so in my view....shut down school for the next year and a half....get a vaccine and then start back up...first responders have no choice

how come most first responders and essential workers would fall under the category of blue collar and yet reap such a small percentage of the economies rewards and income?

 

[riverman]

I believe there will be a vaccine and that it could be the game changer.....my maternal grandfather and uncle died Duck hunting in N Dakota in the early 1900s.from pnuemonia...no penicillin...they both died...uncle was 14 at the time...had they had the antidote they'd have survived.....polio, also kept in check...antibiotics saved my life twice...I don't discount that

 

[riverman]

how come most first responders and essential workers would fall under the category of blue collar and yet reap such a small percentage of the economies rewards and income?

it's never fair....nurses do the heavy lifting and the doctor reads their notes and gets 500 an hour to see a patient for a millisecond...the nurse is their on call for a fraction of the pay

 

[barfo]

Well shit, now you tell me. Mine are 33,35 and 44.

Bust size seems ok, but the waist and hips are something to work on.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

Bust size seems ok, but the waist and hips are something to work on.

barfo

Wouldn't that last measurement make me a kardashian?

 

[barfo]

Wouldn't that last measurement make me a kardashian?

You? I thought we were talking about the size of your daughters. I didn't realize you'd had butt implants; I apologize for my insensitivity.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

You? I thought we were talking about the size of your daughters. I didn't realize you'd had butt implants; I apologize for my insensitivity.

barfo

well in that case, I only have 2 daughters so I guess it's 33-44. Use your imagination.

 

[lawai'a]

seems that the north carolina legislature has politicized the going back to school question for their state. this saddens me a great deal. especially with regard to cases rising within the state despite reopening. i pray that when this is over that those negatively impacted decide to hold those responsible accountable. while i hope they can somehow pull it off ,i will watch developments with a certain amount of trepidation.
https://www.citizen-times.com/story...buncombe-nc-k-12-schools-proposed/5220181002/

The General Assembly addressed certain facets of K-12 education but left other large, logistical questions unanswered. For example, the state set a specific mid-August start date but declared the first week of instruction would not be conducted virtually.
“So, based upon this piece of legislation, what that at least tells me is on August 17, our doors are going to be open,” Baldwin said. “What it looks like inside, what our staff, what our students look like, we don't know yet. But those doors will be open.”

 

[H.C.]

I believe there will be a vaccine and that it could be the game changer.....my maternal grandfather and uncle died Duck hunting in N Dakota in the early 1900s.from pnuemonia...no penicillin...they both died...uncle was 14 at the time...had they had the antidote they'd have survived.....polio, also kept in check...antibiotics saved my life twice...I don't discount that

Supposedly there are multiple strains of Covid19.
What if the vaccine for Covid19 is only as effective as the vaccine for the flu is?
What then? We can't stay in lockdown for years.

I'd say churches have the ability to handle some child care and a new job might be paying seniors to babysit without docking their social security so it's affordable for the parents and worth it for the seniors. It takes a village to raise a child is going to have meaning again.

Also the general consensus is churches are a hotbed for spreading the virus. I seriously doubt people will consider WHY that is. Easier to just say no.

Then looking at it logically. Nevermind that the after school programs already would rather hire seniors as opposed to 18+ year olds.
What would be the difference between daycare/after school care/etc at a church. As opposed to at a school?
Factor in the additional costs of transporting the kids to x church. Be it time off work for parents or provided by the government.
Taking all this into account churches would be the last place to have daycare/afterschool programs.

 

[riverman]

Supposedly there are multiple strains of Covid19.
What if the vaccine for Covid19 is only as effective as the vaccine for the flu is?
What then? We can't stay in lockdown for years.



Also the general consensus is churches are a hotbed for spreading the virus. I seriously doubt people will consider WHY that is. Easier to just say no.

Then looking at it logically. Nevermind that the after school programs already would rather hire seniors as opposed to 18+ year olds.
What would be the difference between daycare/after school care/etc at a church. As opposed to at a school?
Factor in the additional costs of transporting the kids to x church. Be it time off work for parents or provided by the government.
Taking all this into account churches would be the last place to have daycare/afterschool programs.

nobody says you have to have daycare....for those who are single working parents or two working parents...they will need daycare. just like caregiving has boomed as a business last few decades, daycare is going to be a booming business...if folks choose to raise kids and juggle a career at the same time. As it is 153 million orphans exist today without either benefit ...I sure don't have the answer for all these scenarios but my wife and I plan to be very involved in childcare for our grandchild here. Choosing to go back to work the public early may cause a lot more orphans as well. I'm convinced we should stay locked down for at least another 18 months and protect the children and elderly while letting healthy young adults take the risk....test everybody daily in and out of any establishments and make masks mandatory..I fear Americans are not going to accept safe practices that stifle their restlessness

 

[H.C.]

nobody says you have to have daycare....for those who are single working parents or two working parents...they will need daycare. just like caregiving has boomed as a business last few decades, daycare is going to be a booming business...if folks choose to raise kids and juggle a career at the same time. As it is 153 million orphans exist today without either benefit ...I sure don't have the answer for all these scenarios but my wife and I plan to be very involved in childcare for our grandchild here. Choosing to go back to work the public early may cause a lot more orphans as well. I'm convinced we should stay locked down for at least another 18 months and protect the children and elderly while letting healthy young adults take the risk....test everybody daily in and out of any establishments and make masks mandatory..I fear Americans are not going to accept safe practices that stifle their restlessness

Not really sure why you talked around the questions but okay.
Yes daycare will be needed. Which is what I asked Sly about a couple pages ago.
Again I ask, what is the difference between having daycare at churches a known hotspot for spreading Covid19. Rather than having it at school?
There is none other than needing to spend more money equipping the churches with the things schools will need to have to be opened.(unless you're bringing your personal beliefs into this. Which isn't very scientific)
I'd argue that taking a child from a school to a church is going to cost more $$ due to transportation.
Your grandchildren are lucky to have grandparents with the ability to babysit them.

If we're going to be throwing out personal opinions here.
Personally I think the population that is at risk needs to be the only ones in lockdown.
Set specific times they're able to go shopping at stores, get necessities.
Everyone else should go back to life as normal. I don't know about you but I didn't need to be told to wash my hands, not touch my face, etc before Covid19. I didn't need it during, and I won't need it after.
I also believe any vaccine that comes out will be barely as effective as the flu shot.

Oh and on a very personal note.
Fuck mandatory masks. No one wears them the correct way anyway.
Fuck that noise and anyone who talks to me about a mask. When I've watched them touch it with their unclean hands multiple times in the last 5minutes. Needs to step off.

 

[riverman]

Fuck that noise and anyone who talks to me about a mask

Taiwan, New Zealand and their masks say fuck anyone refusing a mask...and I completely agree...the mask isn't about you touching it...it's about you being an asymptomatic host that isn't spreading it unknowingly...wear a mask until this has run its course in public as a public safety measure....not because you wash your hands a lot you don't need to wear one. It's a simple precaution that has proven results

 

[riverman]

Supposedly there are multiple strains of Covid19.
What if the vaccine for Covid19 is only as effective as the vaccine for the flu is?
What then? We can't stay in lockdown for years.



Also the general consensus is churches are a hotbed for spreading the virus. I seriously doubt people will consider WHY that is. Easier to just say no.

Then looking at it logically. Nevermind that the after school programs already would rather hire seniors as opposed to 18+ year olds.
What would be the difference between daycare/after school care/etc at a church. As opposed to at a school?
Factor in the additional costs of transporting the kids to x church. Be it time off work for parents or provided by the government.
Taking all this into account churches would be the last place to have daycare/afterschool programs.

The issue for kids being in daycares or schools is crowding....if kids need social distancing we need larger areas to conduct classes and smaller classroom populations...hell malls are dying...they are also large spaces....point being you can't put 50 kids in a classroom together during the pandemic without high levels of risk...and we can lockdown for 18 months if we have to, but it will require the govt to bail out the people, like they did the auto industries, banks and airlines last recession.

 

[magnifier661]

There are conflicting statements from different epidemiologists, so it’s confusing to me. Some say the risk to children is very low and stopping natural infections to create a herd immunity is bad. Others say that children could be super spreaders. This disease is confusing as fuck because there are so many in the field that aren’t singing the same tune.

 

[Lanny]

There may never be a vaccine, and even if there is, it may only be marginally effective.

There's over 100 of them in development and several show real promise. I'd say it's unlikely that they won't have a vaccine and will probably have it in less than two years.

 

[Lanny]

Not really sure why you talked around the questions but okay.
Yes daycare will be needed. Which is what I asked Sly about a couple pages ago.
Again I ask, what is the difference between having daycare at churches a known hotspot for spreading Covid19. Rather than having it at school?
There is none other than needing to spend more money equipping the churches with the things schools will need to have to be opened.(unless you're bringing your personal beliefs into this. Which isn't very scientific)
I'd argue that taking a child from a school to a church is going to cost more $$ due to transportation.
Your grandchildren are lucky to have grandparents with the ability to babysit them.

If we're going to be throwing out personal opinions here.
Personally I think the population that is at risk needs to be the only ones in lockdown.
Set specific times they're able to go shopping at stores, get necessities.
Everyone else should go back to life as normal. I don't know about you but I didn't need to be told to wash my hands, not touch my face, etc before Covid19. I didn't need it during, and I won't need it after.
I also believe any vaccine that comes out will be barely as effective as the flu shot.

Oh and on a very personal note.
Fuck mandatory masks. No one wears them the correct way anyway.
Fuck that noise and anyone who talks to me about a mask. When I've watched them touch it with their unclean hands multiple times in the last 5minutes. Needs to step off.

Also, they need to pull it up over their nose and pinch it at the nose so it fits tighter. This means not having mask on neither backwards nor upside down.