Trade Idea What trade packages would you consider fair for CJ?

[BigGameDamian]

Just theoretically speaking here, if we had AD and Lillard, it'd be enough.

Dame
Turner
Aminu
Davis
Nurkic

That's a tough team

Love AD but he is really injury prone.

 

[Trackjack]

11 turnovers to 10 assists from our star, maxed out backcourt - and outscored by Donovan Mitchell and Ricky Rubio by 10. This experiment is over, officially time to panic.

Well nothing will change as long we got Olshey and Stotts is running the show. Yea Olshey luck out with Nurk last year.

 

[AFully22]

CJ, Moe, our 1st for Kevin Love and Cle’s Brooklyn pick.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Not when he only gets 4 shots and made 2 of them.

If you can't create your own shot then you won't get consistent attempts. It is why Derrick Favors was also 2-4 and a +/- of -11 in a game they won by 9

 

[Pinwheel1]

CJ, Moe, our 1st for Kevin Love and Cle’s Brooklyn pick.

Love was 4-12 tonight in a loss to Indiana. I will take him but not for CJ. That would leave us with just Dame who can create his own shot. Not enough. the pick won't help for 3 years

 

[AFully22]

Love was 4-12 tonight in a loss to Indiana. I will take him but not for CJ. That would leave us with just Dame who can create his own shot. Not enough. the pick won't help for 3 years

He’s still averaging 20 and 10 and would space the floor extremely well. And the second ball handler would come from the top 5 pick we would get from Cleveland. A player like Lonnie Walker or that kid at Missouri.

 

[BigGameDamian]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y856w4e2

 

[Pinwheel1]

He’s still averaging 20 and 10 and would space the floor extremely well. And the second ball handler would come from the top 5 pick we would get from Cleveland. A player like Lonnie Walker or that kid at Missouri.

I think Love can be had for less. Maybe this summer after Lebron leaves and they want to go young

 

[Trackjack]

If you can't create your own shot then you won't get consistent attempts. It is why Derrick Favors was also 2-4 and a +/- of -11 in a game they won by 9

Your right but if your suppose to have a motion everyone should be moving not standing in corner waiting for the ball. Harkless been effective when he rolling to hoop and getting the ball that way. Our motion offense is either a weave on top or pick and roll that about it. Sometimes you see one of the forwards flashing to the bucket and Nurk hit one of going to hoop.

 

[AFully22]

I think Love can be had for less. Maybe this summer after Lebron leaves and they want to go young

I agree. You would essentially be trading Harkless and a mid to late first for Love, (that’s pretty cheap) and CJ for a top 5 pick.

 

[Strenuus]

Love was 4-12 tonight in a loss to Indiana. I will take him but not for CJ. That would leave us with just Dame who can create his own shot. Not enough. the pick won't help for 3 years

I'd like to point out that BGD liked this post saying why to not take Love for CJ, when he made his proposal which had CJ for Love.


Just sayin.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ, Moe, our 1st for Kevin Love and Cle’s Brooklyn pick.

Now that is something I'd take a look at.

I'd say send Love elsewhere and get another pick and expirings.

 

[BonesJones]

CJ, Moe, our 1st for Kevin Love and Cle’s Brooklyn pick.

Or how about CJ for Crowder, Frye, Osman, Zizic, and BKN pick?

 

[AFully22]

Or how about CJ for Crowder, Frye, Osman, Zizic, and BKN pick?

Man, you’re really high on Crowder huh

 

[KingSpeed]

Not the time to be gathering picks. We need to add established talent around Dame. Melo and/or PG would've been great.

 

[Sweetriverphil]

I'm gonna print this thread out and put it out on the curb in the morning because this is some grade A recyclable nonsense.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Reminded me of that one thread...... http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/its-time-to-trade-cj.316396/

 

[H.C.]

Sigh.
You people are hopeless, and your opinions change by the minute.

 

[TBpup]

Sigh.
You people are hopeless, and your opinions change by the minute.

That may be true in most cases but for 2 years I've been saying that I don't think the Dame/CJ combo works for exactly the reasons that have come to fruition. I like them both individually but as a duo, I just don't think they work to make a team a consistent Top-4 seed. They both score and can do so in bunches but as a combo, they don't score that efficiently, they don't pass much and then, often mostly to each other, they certainly don't play defense well and continually make opposing back court opponents look like all-stars.

I worry that the combination of the two is wasting their prime years and condemning the Blazers to mediocrity for years.

 

[Sarni]

CJ is our most valuable piece other than Lillard who we are not going to trade, and there might come a time when we have to admit that we have to trade him to make the team more balanced. Problem is, I don't see a team that would be willing to pay much for CJ. I'd consider trading him for Porzingis but Knicks won't do that, or a package of Middleton and Parker from Bucks but not sure they'd endorse that either.

 

[Sinobas]

I've been seeing rumors of the Heat wanting to get rid of Whiteside.

Deal CJ and Nurk for Whiteside.

 

[Sinobas]

CJ isn't the problem. The problem is that their PF and SF spots offer little to no offensive threats.

If they trade CJ, all they would be doing is moving an offensive threat from the SG spot to the SF or PF spot.

doesn't really change or improve the team.

On offense, he's a big asset on most nights. But he'll never be a defender.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Why not start a Trade Lillard thread??

Let's trade the entire roster for picks, time to go all out!

 

[H.C.]

That may be true in most cases but for 2 years I've been saying that I don't think the Dame/CJ combo works for exactly the reasons that have come to fruition. I like them both individually but as a duo, I just don't think they work to make a team a consistent Top-4 seed. They both score and can do so in bunches but as a combo, they don't score that efficiently, they don't pass much and then, often mostly to each other, they certainly don't play defense well and continually make opposing back court opponents look like all-stars.

I worry that the combination of the two is wasting their prime years and condemning the Blazers to mediocrity for years.

And for two years I've had to listen to people use Ellis/Curry as a staple as why Lillard/CJ won't work.
Yet the two backcourts are very different players and the reasoning for splitting the Ellis/Curry would be different if Lillard/CJ were split.

If you want to cite defense that's fine.
But don't cite anything else as Ellis has shown to be a selfish me-first player without the talent to be so.
While the other three have shown to be anything but selfish.

My comment was made in particular about 2 years ago lillard was 'clutch' and people said lillard time all the time all over these forums.
Last year people said Lillard was a choke artist, and CJ was the clutch player.
Now people are turning on CJ.
This forum is day and night.

 

[SIeepwalker]

I've been seeing rumors of the Heat wanting to get rid of Whiteside.

Deal CJ and Nurk for Whiteside.

thank god you're not the GM

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I'd like to get Aaron Gordon.

Me too.

 

[TBpup]

And for two years I've had to listen to people use Ellis/Curry as a staple as why Lillard/CJ won't work.
Yet the two backcourts are very different players and the reasoning for splitting the Ellis/Curry would be different if Lillard/CJ were split.

If you want to cite defense that's fine.
But don't cite anything else as Ellis has shown to be a selfish me-first player without the talent to be so.
While the other three have shown to be anything but selfish.

Defense is exactly where I'm comparing them.....none of the four really play any. And as for Ellis being a "me-first" player, I don't disagree with that at all and yet his assist numbers are almost double CJ's. I played with a guy like CJ and after a while it got old watching him dribble, over dribble, go 1-on-2 and after not passing for an eternity, finally jacking up a tough shot which he (like CJ) would make as often as he missed. He was the best scorer on our team and yet we never won anything with him and won multiple titles after he was gone. There was just growing frustration as teammates would stand around waiting for him to do his thing knowing he wouldn't pass and we were there just to set screens and run back on defense.

I see quite a bit of that in CJ. INCREDIBLE scorer but it doesn't surprise me that outside of a hot stretch when Nurkic went nuts last year, this team led by Dame/CJ just isn't very good.

 

[BigGameDamian]

CJ is our most valuable piece other than Lillard who we are not going to trade, and there might come a time when we have to admit that we have to trade him to make the team more balanced. Problem is, I don't see a team that would be willing to pay much for CJ. I'd consider trading him for Porzingis but Knicks won't do that, or a package of Middleton and Parker from Bucks but not sure they'd endorse that either.

Dame, CJ and Anthony Davis all have similar contracts. Just saying.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Giannis Antetokounmpo

 

[H.C.]

Defense is exactly where I'm comparing them.....none of the four really play any. And as for Ellis being a "me-first" player, I don't disagree with that at all and yet his assist numbers are almost double CJ's. I played with a guy like CJ and after a while it got old watching him dribble, over dribble, go 1-on-2 and after not passing for an eternity, finally jacking up a tough shot which he (like CJ) would make as often as he missed. He was the best scorer on our team and yet we never won anything with him and won multiple titles after he was gone. There was just growing frustration as teammates would stand around waiting for him to do his thing knowing he wouldn't pass and we were there just to set screens and run back on defense.

I see quite a bit of that in CJ. INCREDIBLE scorer but it doesn't surprise me that outside of a hot stretch when Nurkic went nuts last year, this team led by Dame/CJ just isn't very good.

This is exactly why I've stopped coming to these forums as often, and even more so stopped participating in any conversations.
You want to talk about the defense of Portland's back court & compare them to Ellis/Curry.
That's a completely legit conversation. As defense is the comparable factor between the two back courts.
However you then go to talk about offense, when the two back courts just aren't comparable on that end.
Both Lillard & CJ can shoot. Where Ellis was/is a god awful shooter.(even more so during his time in GS, he knew it and his attempts reflected that)
Despite having the arguably the better player in Curry. Portland's back court on the offensive end is 10x better than Curry/Ellis was.

Outside of the second round appearance, and the hot stretch after the Nurk trade you mean.
At the end of the day last year imo was more of a outlier than the year previous.
Even coming back from how many games under .500 is an outlier. That doesn't typically happen in the NBA... You don't get to play Philly every night.
This year Portland has lost some tough games, and under performed in another.
Fans hit the panic button too soon and frankly it's as tiring as when HCP feels the need to drag shit out for how many months now?

3 out of the 4 games against potential playoff teams Portland has been right there.
Exactly where I expected them to be if healthy.
What I find encouraging is the leader of the Blazers isn't going out there and just trying to out score the other team.
He's made two potential game winning defensive plays late in games.(The charge he took in the Clippers game & the travel he forced last night)
It's not the flavor of the month to talk about this stuff because people live in the moment. So sorry if I'm not part of the doom and gloom crowd.

As I said, if you want to talk about CJ's defensive effort... Or lack there of and cite that as why Portland 'sucks' and needs to trade one of the two. Okay perfectly reasonable.
Although I'd say it's more so the Portland role players aren't good enough on either to sustain an off night from one of their stars. But to each their own.
(No I'm not talking about the role player Evan Turner. This guy can ball, but I always knew that. This time last year though the forum was up in arms.)