Trade Idea What trade packages would you consider fair for CJ?

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Sarni said:
CJ is our most valuable piece other than Lillard who we are not going to trade, and there might come a time when we have to admit that we have to trade him to make the team more balanced. Problem is, I don't see a team that would be willing to pay much for CJ. I'd consider trading him for Porzingis but Knicks won't do that, or a package of Middleton and Parker from Bucks but not sure they'd endorse that either.
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haha, I wouldnt to that MIL deal either
 
honkicracker said:
3 out of the 4 games against potential playoff teams Portland has been right there.
Exactly where I expected them to be if healthy.
What I find encouraging is the leader of the Blazers isn't going out there and just trying to out score the other team.
He's made two potential game winning defensive plays late in games.(The charge he took in the Clippers game & the travel he forced last night)
It's not the flavor of the month to talk about this stuff because people live in the moment. So sorry if I'm not part of the doom and gloom crowd.

As I said, if you want to talk about CJ's defensive effort... Or lack there of and cite that as why Portland 'sucks' and needs to trade one of the two. Okay perfectly reasonable.
Although I'd say it's more so the Portland role players aren't good enough on either to sustain an off night from one of their stars. But to each their own.
(No I'm not talking about the role player Evan Turner. This guy can ball, but I always knew that. This time last year though the forum was up in arms.)
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I'm very encouraged by the effort Dame is putting in on the defensive side of the ball. He's improved immensely thus far this year.

TBpup has brought up some very valid arguments. With how ball dominant both Dame & CJ are (and even ET), the other role players really don't get rewarded with many opportunities. It's the PG's job to seek out other players and reward them - but it doesn't happen much.... I also believe it's generally up to the player to MAKE those opportunities (which is why Nurk gets gets 12 attempts and Chief gets 7 attempts per game).

My biggest complaint thus far has been the extraordinarily poor decisions both Dame & CJ are making in crunch time. Last night we were up 6 with the ball, and we turned the ball over twice on very sloppy plays.

Situations like that is where you see the big difference between teams coached by ordinary coaches and extraordinary coaches. It all comes down to the 'little things'.....they matter. I just haven't seen any evidence from Stotts to make me think he values the 'little things'.

Allowing your star player to think a 30+ foot shot with over 10 seconds left on the shot is a little thing (especially when there have been no passes on offense yet). I've seen those shots turn the tide of a game, not in our favor, more frequently than they have they have helped. Again, it's a little thing - but it adds up and makes a BIG difference at the end of the game.
 
AFully22 said:
Man, you’re really high on Crowder huh
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Yeah. He'd be great as a starting SF and he's only making $6M a year. Say that BKN pick turns into Bagley.

Lillard/Crowder/Bagley/Nurkic. Going into next off-season, that group would only count ~$43M against the cap.
 
For those of us who know this backcourt won’t work long term this is a worthwhile thread. That being said some of these are crazy.

There is nothing we could give to get Anthony Davis.
 
tester551 said:
I'm very encouraged by the effort Dame is putting in on the defensive side of the ball. He's improved immensely thus far this year.

TBpup has brought up some very valid arguments. With how ball dominant both Dame & CJ are (and even ET), the other role players really don't get rewarded with many opportunities. It's the PG's job to seek out other players and reward them - but it doesn't happen much.... I also believe it's generally up to the player to MAKE those opportunities (which is why Nurk gets gets 12 attempts and Chief gets 7 attempts per game).

My biggest complaint thus far has been the extraordinarily poor decisions both Dame & CJ are making in crunch time. Last night we were up 6 with the ball, and we turned the ball over twice on very sloppy plays.

Situations like that is where you see the big difference between teams coached by ordinary coaches and extraordinary coaches. It all comes down to the 'little things'.....they matter. I just haven't seen any evidence from Stotts to make me think he values the 'little things'.

Allowing your star player to think a 30+ foot shot with over 10 seconds left on the shot is a little thing (especially when there have been no passes on offense yet). I've seen those shots turn the tide of a game, not in our favor, more frequently than they have they have helped. Again, it's a little thing - but it adds up and makes a BIG difference at the end of the game.
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With how many different topics you brought up.
I see no reason why I should take this post seriously.
 
I wouldn't. The backcourt is set. The problem is at SF. Harkless IMO is a 6th man on a playoff team.

We need an upgrade here. A legitimate third-option.
 
calvin natt said:
For those of us who know this backcourt won’t work long term this is a worthwhile thread. That being said some of these are crazy.

There is nothing we could give to get Anthony Davis.
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Or Giannis.

Wiggins is a decent suggestion I have seen elsewhere, as long as we also get additional piece in the deal. Don't see who that would be looking at Timberwolves roster.

Actually Drummond and Bradley would be tempting, as long as we could land Bradley on a longer deal. Or maybe include Tobias Harris somehow (instead of Drummond?).
 
What if New Orleans doesn't think it can re-sign Boogie? Has he rehabilitated his reputation enough?

(To save Sly the trouble:
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Fez Von Savage said:
I wouldn't. The backcourt is set. The problem is at SF. Harkless IMO is a 6th man on a playoff team.

We need an upgrade here. A legitimate third-option.
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There isn't many legitimate 3rd options at SF or PF that could be had. The only legit guys that could possibly move at some point this season is:
Evan Fournier, ORL
Harrison Barnes, DAL
Tobias Harris, DET

At PF:
James Johnson, MIA
Thaddeus Young, IND
Jabari Parker, MIL

Problem is, we don't have the pieces to acquire any of them without giving up one of our big three, or they're not worth it.
 
Sarni said:
Or Giannis.

Wiggins is a decent suggestion I have seen elsewhere, as long as we also get additional piece in the deal. Don't see who that would be looking at Timberwolves roster.

Actually Drummond and Bradley would be tempting, as long as we could land Bradley on a longer deal. Or maybe include Tobias Harris somehow (instead of Drummond?).
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Harris and Bradley for McCollum would actually be very tempting. Maybe get Detroits pick somehow? (IDK if they'd consider that but) then flip Davis and our pick/Detroits pick for Jae Crowder.

Turning CJ into Bradley, Harris, and Crowder would be very nice. Our defense would be legit. We could potentially trade Harkless, and Meyers for James Johnson (maybe including our pick/Detroits pick).

Or we could simply keep our pick and Detroits pick and try to package them for the next available star.

1st option:

Lillard / PG?
Bradley / Turner
Crowder / Harris
Johnson / Harris / Swanigan
Nurkic / Collins

That'd be a top 5 defense, and still is a young team. Harris is 25, Bradley is 26, Crowder is 27. If Lillards defensive improvement isn't a fluke, then there's 5 good defenders in that starting lineup, and two good defenders off the bench in Turner and Collins (Harris ain't bad either).

2nd Option:
Lillard / PG?
Bradley / Turner
Harris / Harkless
Aminu / Davis
Nurkic / Collins

Plus whatever happens with our picks.

This teams are more balanced and better than ours now. I love CJ, but I'm honestly starting to lean towards trading him if we can get a package like this back.
 
DET Gets: CJ McCollum
NOP Gets: Jusuf Nurkic, Moe Harkless, Noah Vonleh, 2018 DET 1st, 2018, 2020, & 2022 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Anthony Davis, Avery Bradley, Tobias Harris

Lillard / Napier
Bradley / Connaughton
Harris / Turner
A.Davis / Aminu
E.Davis / Collins

Would pave the way for Collins to become a starter.

NOP would then trade Cousins to CLE for their BKN 1st and 2022 1st and have the following picks:
2018: NOP, BKN, DET, POR
2019: NOP
2020: NOP, POR
2021: NOP
2022: NOP, POR, CLE
 
Things we must do before trading CJ or Lillard:

-Replace Stotts.
-Replace coaching staff (what is a big man coach? baby don't hurt me...).
-Keep replacing those placeholder players which surround CJ and Lillard.

I don't see the point of ruining our only relative advantage over most of the league before we try to do other solid, more reversible moves.
 
BonesJones said:
DET Gets: CJ McCollum
NOP Gets: Jusuf Nurkic, Moe Harkless, Noah Vonleh, 2018 DET 1st, 2018, 2020, & 2022 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Anthony Davis, Avery Bradley, Tobias Harris

Lillard / Napier
Bradley / Connaughton
Harris / Turner
A.Davis / Aminu
E.Davis / Collins

Would pave the way for Collins to become a starter.

NOP would then trade Cousins to CLE for their BKN 1st and 2022 1st and have the following picks:
2018: NOP, BKN, DET, POR
2019: NOP
2020: NOP, POR
2021: NOP
2022: NOP, POR, CLE
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Why would Cleveland trade a top 5 pick and another 1st rounder for a player months away from being a UFA?
 
BonesJones said:
There isn't many legitimate 3rd options at SF or PF that could be had. The only legit guys that could possibly move at some point this season is:
Evan Fournier, ORL
Harrison Barnes, DAL
Tobias Harris, DET

At PF:
James Johnson, MIA
Thaddeus Young, IND
Jabari Parker, MIL

Problem is, we don't have the pieces to acquire any of them without giving up one of our big three, or they're not worth it.
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No way Dallas is giving up on Barnes unless they get a smokin deal.
 
dviss1 said:
Bruh... You're trippin.
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Why, we'd get one of the best interior defenders in the league, who is a great finisher inside. We start Turner at SG who is a better defender than Dame, maybe even Pat C.
 
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