Trade Idea What trade packages would you consider fair for CJ?

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
This year, CJ seems to be having a hard time getting his shot off. He's getting blocked so much. He looks smaller and less athletic than everyone he goes against....I don't know if he just hasn't found his "groove" or if people are learning to defend him, not buy his fakes or whatever. But his passing hasn't been good and he's been losing the ball a lot. And we all know his defense is terrible. We need to cash him in for something. This duo of 1 on 1 players isn't working.
 
BonesJones said:
DET Gets: CJ McCollum
NOP Gets: Jusuf Nurkic, Moe Harkless, Noah Vonleh, 2018 DET 1st, 2018, 2020, & 2022 POR 1sts
POR Gets: Anthony Davis, Avery Bradley, Tobias Harris

Lillard / Napier
Bradley / Connaughton
Harris / Turner
A.Davis / Aminu
E.Davis / Collins

Would pave the way for Collins to become a starter.

NOP would then trade Cousins to CLE for their BKN 1st and 2022 1st and have the following picks:
2018: NOP, BKN, DET, POR
2019: NOP
2020: NOP, POR
2021: NOP
2022: NOP, POR, CLE
Click to expand...

You see how big that MF's hands are??

nurkic-sr.jpg
 
Blazers Roy said:
Things we must do before trading CJ or Lillard:

-Replace Stotts.
-Replace coaching staff (what is a big man coach? baby don't hurt me...).
-Keep replacing those placeholder players which surround CJ and Lillard.

I don't see the point of ruining our only relative advantage over most of the league before we try to do other solid, more reversible moves.
Click to expand...

Great post.
 
Sinobas said:
Why, we'd get one of the best interior defenders in the league, who is a great finisher inside. We start Turner at SG who is a better defender than Dame, maybe even Pat C.
Click to expand...

Yeah, We'd also pay way too much for him and lose a lot of offense.
 
TBpup said:
Defense is exactly where I'm comparing them.....none of the four really play any. And as for Ellis being a "me-first" player, I don't disagree with that at all and yet his assist numbers are almost double CJ's. I played with a guy like CJ and after a while it got old watching him dribble, over dribble, go 1-on-2 and after not passing for an eternity, finally jacking up a tough shot which he (like CJ) would make as often as he missed. He was the best scorer on our team and yet we never won anything with him and won multiple titles after he was gone. There was just growing frustration as teammates would stand around waiting for him to do his thing knowing he wouldn't pass and we were there just to set screens and run back on defense.

I see quite a bit of that in CJ. INCREDIBLE scorer but it doesn't surprise me that outside of a hot stretch when Nurkic went nuts last year, this team led by Dame/CJ just isn't very good.
Click to expand...

CJ is a better defender at PG than Dame. Dame is the PG, though, and for good reason. Asking CJ to be a good defender against bigger SGs is a tough assignment.
 
Sarni said:
Why? Parker was good offensively when he played. Middleton is a very good shooting guard who can also play small forward and plays defense.
Click to expand...
Jabari Parker is 22 yo and already had two major (ACL) injuries and hes likely to demand max contract, so theres enough reasons not to want him... as far as Middleton, hes good player who should be 3rd option on a good team (I dont know if hes 2nd or 3rd option at MIL), and I certainly dont want him to be 2nd option on our team, hes not that good and Nurk is not there yet... even if Nurk could be 2nd option right now, wed be better with CJ than Middleton, thats not even debatable

so to be clear, I dont want Parker at all, Middleton yes, if we can bring him here without sending CJ there

with no Parker injuries, Id do this deal, but MIL wouldnt of course
 
Last edited:
dviss1 said:
Yeah, We'd also pay way too much for him and lose a lot of offense.
Click to expand...
He's making the same salary as CJ. Averaged 19 points per 36 last year at 56%. He's one of the best defensive players in the league while CJ is one of the worst. And whoever replaces CJ will be a better defender. Though if Nurk comes around, we should keep him.
 
Sinobas said:
He's making the same salary as CJ. Averaged 19 points per 36 last year at 56%. He's one of the best defensive players in the league while CJ is one of the worst. And whoever replaces CJ will be a better defender. Though if Nurk comes around, we should keep him.
Click to expand...

It's still an overpay to give CJ and Nurk bro. Not sure why you're not seeing this one.
 
Denny Crane said:
Good argument.
Click to expand...
I don't need to argue something so ridiculous.

Dame has been a good defender this year, guarding PGs. You're saying CJ is better than good at guarding PGs??

CJ doesn't have the lateral quickness Dame does, but not only that, he falls asleep off the ball all the time, and is awful at closing out, which are awful traits while guarding SGs. He gives up dribble penetration all the time, which is an awful trait to have while guarding PGs.

CJ is equally as horrible guarding both positions.
 
Sinobas said:
This year, CJ seems to be having a hard time getting his shot off. He's getting blocked so much. He looks smaller and less athletic than everyone he goes against....I don't know if he just hasn't found his "groove" or if people are learning to defend him, not buy his fakes or whatever. But his passing hasn't been good and he's been losing the ball a lot. And we all know his defense is terrible. We need to cash him in for something. This duo of 1 on 1 players isn't working.
Click to expand...
Stats don't really back up what you're saying
STATS:
16-17 - Slashline: 48/42/91
17-18 - Slashline: 45/52/84

16-17 - Stats - 23.0ppg, 3.6reb, 3.6ast, 2.2tov, 1.64 ast:tov ratio
17-18 - Stats - 22.1ppg, 4.9reb, 2.9ast, 1.6tov, 1.81 ast:tov ratio

16-17 - DBPM: -2.3
17-18 - DBPM: -1.2

So for every turnover he's getting more assists this year than last year. He's also shooting a great 3pt percentage. He's forced some mid-range shots and isn't really getting the space he did last year, but that's the only part of his offensive game that's really suffering. I realized my opinion (and likely yours) changed this season because of how silly/crucial some of his turnovers are, so they stand out more. That's just not the case. His defense (while still bad) seems to have slightly improved. If he starts hitting mid-range shots like he normally does, he'll be much improved over last year.
 
AFully22 said:
Why would Cleveland trade a top 5 pick and another 1st rounder for a player months away from being a UFA?
Click to expand...
Because they can pay him the most and likely resign him, and Cousins is the type of big man you need to beat GSW, and he could help Lebron stay, and he's the best available star for that BKN pick (which I think they'll try to trade)
 
BonesJones said:
Because they can pay him the most and likely resign him, and Cousins is the type of big man you need to beat GSW, and he could help Lebron stay, and he's the best available star for that BKN pick (which I think they'll try to trade)
Click to expand...

I get your thinking but I don’t think there’s a single GM in the league that makes that trade. You’re essentially trading two first round picks, one being in the top 5, for a couple sure months of Boogie and some unrealistic hopes and dreams. The rest of the trade was a cool idea though.
 
Last edited:
BonesJones said:
Stats don't really back up what you're saying
STATS:
16-17 - Slashline: 48/42/91
17-18 - Slashline: 45/52/84

16-17 - Stats - 23.0ppg, 3.6reb, 3.6ast, 2.2tov, 1.64 ast:tov ratio
17-18 - Stats - 22.1ppg, 4.9reb, 2.9ast, 1.6tov, 1.81 ast:tov ratio

16-17 - DBPM: -2.3
17-18 - DBPM: -1.2

So for every turnover he's getting more assists this year than last year. He's also shooting a great 3pt percentage. He's forced some mid-range shots and isn't really getting the space he did last year, but that's the only part of his offensive game that's really suffering. I realized my opinion (and likely yours) changed this season because of how silly/crucial some of his turnovers are, so they stand out more. That's just not the case. His defense (while still bad) seems to have slightly improved. If he starts hitting mid-range shots like he normally does, he'll be much improved over last year.
Click to expand...


Looks like you're quoting overall fg% there, but when you break it down in that manner, you're supposed to show 2pt FG%. His 2pt percentage has fallen all the way down from 51% to 41%. And I don't think blocks even count against your field goal percentage.

It's really been shots inside 10 feet that have been bad for him. 39% at the rim, 30% 3-10 Considering last year he shot 59% and 49% from those ranges respectively, that's a 20% fall off.

And yes, his turnovers seem to come at the worst times of the game, which is a big deal, because that's a good way to lose games.
 
BonesJones said:
I don't need to argue something so ridiculous.

Dame has been a good defender this year, guarding PGs. You're saying CJ is better than good at guarding PGs??

CJ doesn't have the lateral quickness Dame does, but not only that, he falls asleep off the ball all the time, and is awful at closing out, which are awful traits while guarding SGs. He gives up dribble penetration all the time, which is an awful trait to have while guarding PGs.

CJ is equally as horrible guarding both positions.
Click to expand...

Yes. CJ has been better (than Dame) at guarding PGs all along. He's just not been guarding them when Dame is in the game.

I agree Dame's effort and play has improved at the defensive end. I like it.
 
I would trade @HCP for an internet controlled DVR.

We could take turns doing replays.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

BigGameDamian
Notice 5 Updated Kyrie Irving Trade Packages Cleveland Cavaliers Should Consider (3 Blazers deals)
2
Replies
58
Views
5K
riverman
riverman
B
Trade Idea The Doomsday option...
Replies
16
Views
772
riverman
riverman
Portland2014
  • Poll Poll
CJ McCollum for Aaron Gordon, would you do it?
2 3 4
Replies
108
Views
10K
blue9
blue9
Further
Heat and Nets, what am I missing?
2 3
Replies
70
Views
4K
illmatic99
illmatic99
Z
Would you do CJ for Ben Simmons?
Replies
13
Views
634
blazerkor
blazerkor

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top