What words would you use to describe a man like this?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

It happens. I have 3 kids, and at some point, in some stores, they get away. It's literally as quick as you turning your head for a second.

Its annoying when little kids are running around and fucking shit up. Parents need to either leave them at home or keep them to themselves.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Despite your jab at the lack of gay rights, I really don't understand how people get the way they do. I guess maybe some are born that way, or have had something tramatic happen to them when they were a child. That being said, I am not liberal when it comes to this shit, and hope the guy is castrated and then sent to prison to be raped continuosly.

Based purely on his photo, I'm guessing the guy has some form of autism. Kind of an out-there theory but I've worked with several organizations with autistics and they often have pronounced facial features as below.

 

[barfo]

Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. questioned the majority's logic that every murderer sentenced to death is more "morally depraved" than any child-rapist.

"I have little doubt that, in the eyes of ordinary Americans, the very worst child rapists -- predators who seek out and inflict serious physical and emotional injury on defenseless young children -- are the epitome of moral depravity," he wrote

He added "excluding Laker fans, that is".

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

I knew, just knew, some one would blame the women. Not surprising it is El Presidente, I guessed either him or Brian since both are remarkable for lack of knowledge and lack of compassion.

Ever had charge of a small child? A two year old is not obedient. Turn you back for one second and they are elsewhere. That is the nature of two year olds. No doubt those two women will blame themselves for the rest of their lives. But the fact is you'd be hard put to find any parent or other adult who did not at some time lose sight of their child for one minute. Fortunately, 99.99% of the time everything is fine. Unfortunately this is the other 0.01%.

Personally I prefer to blame the rapist.

Does El Presidente also think the baby was wearing a diaper that was too revealing so basically she was asking for it?

How about you? What was the point of adding in that comment about entering the military or marriage? What could that possibly have to do with this horrible crime? You're just as predictable with your agenda for gay rights.

 

[MARIS61]

lots of crazies and poor white trash at those stores. just in general though. I hate those stores, my fam goes there sometimes and I tell them it sucks. its a step below walmart as far as customer base.

I suspect it's more likely the fact that you live in the midst of the country's most concentrated area of crazies and white trash, southern California.

I've noticed no such difference in the shoppers between various Oregon stores.

 

[MARIS61]

I am a fan of making an example out of pieces of shit like this. Either way though, as long as he is castrated I will be happy.

Torture puts you right along side people like him, not above him.

Put him down and move on.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I suspect it's more likely the fact that you live in the midst of the country's most concentrated area of crazies and white trash, southern California.

I've noticed no such difference in the shoppers between various Oregon stores.

Who knows. Its the same everywhere. At cheaper stores, there seems to be more miserable customers in general. At least in my experience. I worked at Nordstroms, all the customers were really nice. At Meier and Frank, they were always complaining and haggling about coupons and mismarked items. Go to Ross Dress for Less, it looks like the reject line at the DMV.

 

[MARIS61]

Impacted molars made him do it!

 

[Ed O]

I think he should be executed. I don't care if he's mentally ill or not.

The two general elements of most crimes are actus reus and mens rea: the act and the mental state. A horrific act can be explained (and excused, to some level) through an absence of the necessary mental state.

To me? Fuck that. If someone rapes a toddler? The act demands final punishment. Cruel punishment? No. But final.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So you think that the death penalty should be doled out on crimes based on emotional impact? The law is cut and dried, not open for interpretation or emotional influence.

I believe the death penalty should be used only when a perpetrator has killed someone else.

 

[Ed O]

So you think that the death penalty should be doled out on crimes based on emotional impact? The law is cut and dried, not open for interpretation or emotional influence.

I believe the death penalty should be used only when a perpetrator has killed someone else.

I think the punishment should be expanded to include crimes other than killing.

Is it better to be shot and killed or kidnapped, raped and tortured for months? I don't know. I don't know if ANYONE can know.

But I believe that if someone kidnaps, rapes and tortures someone for months, they deserve to die for it.

Ed O.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think the punishment should be expanded to include crimes other than killing.

Is it better to be shot and killed or kidnapped, raped and tortured for months? I don't know. I don't know if ANYONE can know.

But I believe that if someone kidnaps, rapes and tortures someone for months, they deserve to die for it.

Ed O.

OK. So you're in favor of executing mentally ill persons committing crimes, in which no one dies, based on the emotional impact of the crime committed, not the actual violation itself. Quite draconian of you.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The guy was a diagnosed schizophrenic.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/12/eugene_melendres_ramos_charged.php

A diagnosed schizophrenic, Ramos has spent time in both state mental hospitals and prisons. He has spent much of his life unable to work and living with his parents.

Ramos has lived with his family since his 2009 release from prison; he'd served four years for an '05 conviction for attempted sex with a minor.

 

[Ed O]

OK. So you're in favor of executing mentally ill persons committing crimes, in which no one dies, based on the emotional impact of the crime committed, not the actual violation itself. Quite draconian of you.

You're intermingling things unnecessarily.

Actus reus: I am in favor of extending the death penalty. Exactly which crimes should be capital I'm not sure on, but I do NOT think it should just be for the most heinous murders.

Mens rea: I think that if a certain threshold has been reached with the actus reus, the mens rea is irrelevant. If an person criminally sets off a nuke and kills a thousand people, I don't care if the person was insane or sane and religious or just wanted to be famous.

My perspective can definitely be seen as draconian, no question.

Ed O.

 

[Mediocre Man]

OK. So you're in favor of executing mentally ill persons committing crimes, in which no one dies, based on the emotional impact of the crime committed, not the actual violation itself. Quite draconian of you.

I am in favor of executing mentally ill persons who pull diapers off 2 year old little girls in stores and rape them. This little girl was his second victim, let's not have a third.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The problem is that you are bringing emotion into the justice system, where it has no place being.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Based purely on his photo, I'm guessing the guy has some form of autism. Kind of an out-there theory but I've worked with several organizations with autistics and they often have pronounced facial features as below.

Based purely on his photo, I know the guy raped a little girl.

 

[Ed O]

The problem is that you are bringing emotion into the justice system, where it has no place being.

There are two ways that I see emotion potentially playing a part of the justice system:

1. Incorrectly applying law. Juries should not find guilt or innocence based on whether they don't like a law or whether they like a defendant.

2. Formation of law. Criminal law should reflect the will of the people, IMO, and people are emotional creatures. While cost-benefit and social utility theory also can come into play, emotion is and SHOULD BE a part of determining which crimes are worse than others--and to what level different crimes should be punished.

To kill this guy now would be #1. To change the law so the next time it happens there can be capital consequences would be #2... and I'd be fine with that, personally.

Ed O.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So a child gets sexually abuse by his father for 20 years and then turns around and sexually abuses another child . . . kill him?

 

[Ed O]

So a child gets sexually abuse by his father for 20 years and then turns around and sexually abuses another child . . . kill him?

If you would execute a non-sexually abused criminal for the same crime, yes. An explanation does not undo the damage that has been done.

Ed O.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

So a child gets sexually abuse by his father for 20 years and then turns around and sexually abuses another child . . . kill him?

...and the child. It's the only way to break the cycle.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Should every rapist get the death penalty then?

 

[Mediocre Man]

So a child gets sexually abuse by his father for 20 years and then turns around and sexually abuses another child . . . kill him?

I say yes.

It sucks because he is simply a product of his environment. I mean it's not his fault he was born into a home with an abusive parent. Then again, wouldn't the same apply to people who commit murder that grew up in Compton or Watts for example? It's not that individuals fault that he was born to a single mother who was addicted to heroine, and not to an upstanding family living in the suburbs.

Things happen to children sometimes that makes them do bad things. There is never a reason to murder someone in cold blood. Just like there is never a reason to rape a 2 year old girl.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If you would execute a non-sexually abused criminal for the same crime, yes. An explanation does not undo the damage that has been done.

Ed O.

Killing the person does not undo the damage that has been done.

I think there are times that society should show some understanding of the situations and not just an across the board you do this and we kill you. True life in prison protects society as much as killing him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Should every rapist get the death penalty then?

Define rapist. An 18 year and 1 day old girl having sex with her 17 year and 364 day old boyfriend is a rapist by definition

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Things happen to children sometimes that makes them do bad things. There is never a reason to murder someone in cold blood. Just like there is never a reason to rape a 2 year old girl.

Unless you are the gov't?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

There are two ways that I see emotion potentially playing a part of the justice system:

1. Incorrectly applying law. Juries should not find guilt or innocence based on whether they don't like a law or whether they like a defendant.

2. Formation of law. Criminal law should reflect the will of the people, IMO, and people are emotional creatures. While cost-benefit and social utility theory also can come into play, emotion is and SHOULD BE a part of determining which crimes are worse than others--and to what level different crimes should be punished.

To kill this guy now would be #1. To change the law so the next time it happens there can be capital consequences would be #2... and I'd be fine with that, personally.

Ed O.

The criminal law should reflect the will of the people AND people are emotional creatures? Ridiculous. The law is meant to be emotionless and objective, not subject to interpretation. Cost benefit analysis whether to execute people? You're going down a slippery slope here where you end in a society where morals and thoughts become crimes.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Killing the person does not undo the damage that has been done.

I think there are times that society should show some understanding of the situations and not just an across the board you do this and we kill you. True life in prison protects society as much as killing him.

There have been mistakes made with probation and peperwork, and escapes of very violent people, who once out have commited horrible crimes. No one that has been executed has ever come back to commit a horrible crime

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Define rapist. An 18 year and 1 day old girl having sex with her 17 year and 364 day old boyfriend is a rapist by definition

Yes. But it is statutory rape, which is different than forcible rape.

 

[44Thrilla]

I hope the customers who detained him beat the living shit out of him, too. I know I would have. What a heinous act. Hopefully the girl is so young that she won't remember it when she gets older.