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AgentDrazenPetrovic

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I see a lot of people angered that everyone would be paying for her kids. Isn't that universal healthcare, in a nutshell?
 
The current administration isn't interested in universal healthcare and never have been.

But yeah, each last one of those children would be taken care of. As would the 8 children of religious families. Every last human would have their health care taken care of and wouldn't have to worry about insurance companies denying 90% of their claims.

How can republican's fight to the tooth to save the life of a fetus, but be against offering any assistance to a child?
 
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Karl Malone's Elbows said:
The current administration isn't interested in universal healthcare and never have been.

But yeah, each last one of those children would be taken care of. As would the 8 children of religious families. Every last human would have their health care taken care of and wouldn't have to worry about insurance companies denying 90% of their claims.

How can republican's fight to the tooth to save the life of a fetus, but be against offering any assistance to a child?
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because not helping others isn't murder.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
my definition is that it is killing a life. I believe life begins at conception. and abortion is the termination of that life, which is murder.
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Shall we imprison women who miscarry, then?

barfo
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
my definition is that it is killing a life. I believe life begins at conception. and abortion is the termination of that life, which is murder.
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That is the opinion of a Fundamentalist Christian. Are you a Christian? Maybe you just didn't know you were a fundamentalist. IMO, You can't hold that opinion without being a fundamentalist Christian. The belief comes from fundamentalist Christians and the reasons given for the belief come from Fundamentalist Christianity.
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
That is the opinion of a Fundamentalist Christian. Are you a Christian? Maybe you just didn't know you were a fundamentalist. IMO, You can't hold that opinion without being a fundamentalist Christian. The belief comes from fundamentalist Christians and the reasons given for the belief come from Fundamentalist Christianity.

You are either a fundamentalist or are just buying into their propaganda.
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Why does everything have to come down to this or that. Ridiculous. I'm a casual catholic at best.

Look, if you leave shit alone, the baby lives. If you interfere and kill the cycle, the baby dies.

what's so hard to comprehend here? just basic science.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
no, why would we. that's a rather inane attempt.
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Who killed the fetus? Are you going to claim it was an act of god? Had nothing to do whatsoever with the mother?

barfo
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
No, we should imprison God.
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Yeah. Let's see how he likes getting raped by a bunch of convicts. He'll regret those seven days he went on a bender and created the world.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Who killed the fetus? Are you going to claim it was an act of god? Had nothing to do whatsoever with the mother?

barfo
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why would I say its an act of god? it was a natural biological process in which the baby didn't survive. not an active act and deliberate attempt to end the life. pre-meditated even.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Look, if you leave shit alone, the baby lives. If you interfere and kill the cycle, the baby dies.
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You need to look at some statistics about eggs fertilized versus live births.

barfo
 
barfo said:
You need to look at some statistics about eggs fertilized versus live births.

barfo
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if I actually gave a shit, I would. But i don't, so fuck it.

what does that have to do with this anyway? We're talking about nature taking its course versus the active destruction of life. not so hard to discertain.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
why would I say its an act of god? it was a natural biological process in which the baby didn't survive. not an active act and deliberate attempt to end the life. pre-meditated even.
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So manslaughter is ok in your book? If she didn't mean to kill the kid, that's ok? Say she drank a quart of whiskey every day. According to your rules, that should be ok? But an abortion isn't?

barfo
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
if I actually gave a shit, I would. But i don't, so fuck it.
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Sure. Why try to understand things? It's so much easier to just have an opinion and not worry about the details.

barfo
 
barfo said:
So manslaughter is ok in your book? If she didn't mean to kill the kid, that's ok? Say she drank a quart of whiskey every day. According to your rules, that should be ok? But an abortion isn't?

barfo
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If she was pregnant and drank a quart of whiskey, I would classify that in the same behavior as a mom giving her child whiskey. Irresponsible behavior. possibly criminal in my view. Pregnant moms who chug whiskey should be locked up.
 
barfo said:
Sure. Why try to understand things? It's so much easier to just have an opinion and not worry about the details.

barfo
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if there was any real connection to what i think, maybe it might be relevant. but its not, so its moot.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
If she was pregnant and drank a quart of whiskey, I would classify that in the same behavior as a mom giving her child whiskey. Irresponsible behavior. possibly criminal in my view. Pregnant moms who chug whiskey should be locked up.
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Possibly criminal? We are talking about the kid dying. So all right then. How about if she didn't take her vitamins?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Possibly criminal? We are talking about the kid dying. So all right then. How about if she didn't take her vitamins?

barfo
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so what if she didn't take her vitamins? are you supposed to take your vitamins?
the primary one you're supposed to take to prevent crib death I believe is folic acid and you can get that through eating food, as with most vitamins.

I mean, what do you mean, if she purposefully withheld eating any vitamins for some reason?

i'm not quite sure where you're going with this
 
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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Why does everything have to come down to this or that. Ridiculous. I'm a casual catholic at best.

Look, if you leave shit alone, the baby lives. If you interfere and kill the cycle, the baby dies.
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Close... Let me attempt to improve the accuracy of your statement:

Look, if you leave shit alone, a baby is born. If you interfere a baby is not born.



what's so hard to comprehend here? just basic science.
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What's hard to comprehend is equating abortion with murder. It's a huge stretch to say the least. It's fundamentalist propaganda. A fetus cannot live on its own, it is not an independent life. Pulling the plug on someone in a technology-dependent coma is technically closer to murder than an abortion is. But neither is close to the accepted definition of murder.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
so what if she didn't take her vitamins? are you supposed to take your vitamins?
the primary one you're supposed to take to prevent crib death I believe is folic acid and you can get that through eating food, as with most vitamins.

I mean, what do you mean, if she purposefully withheld eating any vitamins for some reason?

i'm not quite sure where you're going with this
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Your claim is that killing a fetus is murder. I'm suggesting that there are lots of ways of killing a fetus.
Some of them are premeditated and some of them aren't. Some of them are preventable and some of them aren't. Where do you draw the line?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Yeah. Let's see how he likes getting raped by a bunch of convicts. He'll regret those seven days he went on a bender and created the world.

barfo
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I have no doubt whatsoever that if the Jesus of the gospels were alive today in the USA he would be in prison. None at all.
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
Close... Let me attempt to improve the accuracy of your statement:

Look, if you leave shit alone, a baby is born. If you interfere a baby is not born.

What's hard to comprehend is equating abortion with murder. It's a huge stretch to say the least. It's fundamentalist propaganda. A fetus cannot live on its own, it is not an independent life. Pulling the plug on someone in a technology-dependent coma is technically closer to murder than an abortion is. But neither is close to the accepted definition of murder.
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Its the pre-meditated termination of life. You are actively ensuring that life does not continue. I would personally define that as murder or killing of a life.

To me, it doesn't matter if a fetus cannot live on its own. If you let science take its course, the fetus continues to develop and live into an independent life. By killing the fetus, you are killing that person.

but go ahead and just yell "you love jesus, bible thumper!", it probably helps you justify your position.
 
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barfo said:
Your claim is that killing a fetus is murder. I'm suggesting that there are lots of ways of killing a fetus.
Some of them are premeditated and some of them aren't. Some of them are preventable and some of them aren't. Where do you draw the line?

barfo
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When it is one's intent to terminate the life. Its really quite simple. To me, I treat the fetus or even the fertilized mass of cells as a human life, because it is one.
 
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