What would you give up for Chris Paul?

[The_Lillard_King]

I would give Roy left nut . . . I know it will be painful, but it is a sacrafice I'm willing to make.

 

[hasoos]

Chris Paul = Brandon Roy + 6 more assist per game.

 

[mook]

Amazing to think Paul might actually be available. But Collison is putting up 20 points and 10 assists/game. Chris Paul makes $16 mil next year and Collison makes $1.3 mil. By the time they negotiate Collison's next salary, there will be a much different CBA.

Man, if I were NO I don't know if I could bring myself to trade a once-in-a-generation 24 year old point guard like Paul. But I can definitely see why a team might do it.

I wonder if they'd go for Brandon Roy straight across. (Probably doesn't work under salary rules, but play along.) I realize it's not fair value, but is there another team willing to give up a better young player?

Guys better than or about as good as Roy in the same age range, and not point guards, who might be available: Tyreke Evans (not there yet, but you can see how he could be), Durant, Dwight Howard, Carmello, LeBron, Wade, Bosh...who am I missing?

I could see Denver offering up Carmello, assuming they fizzle in the playoffs and they want to do a quick overhaul. Evans is possible. Durant and Howard aren't going anywhere. The other guys are free agents.

Hmm. Interesting to think about.

Maybe it makes more sense for them to trade Collison for Tyreke Evans.

 

[hasoos]

It's kind of funny with Collison. I watched the game the other night where he broke the 20 assist mark. Probably 13 were assist (which is pretty damn good.) But lets put it this way. They are pretty generous with the assists in New Orleans for their home boys.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I don't want to commit blasphemy, but is Chris Paul really all that?

Yes, yes, I know, once in a generation stats, etc., but he does dominate the ball an awful lot, and I tend to think that's not that healthy for a team. The last time a ball-dominating little man won a title was Isiah's Pistons, was it not? And put Paul on a really good team (like the "Redeem Team") and he looks less useful. And the fact that Darren Collison is putting up huge numbers in NO's system says less about Collison and more about the system, I think.

By comparison, I used to be a huge Rajon Rondo fan. But as he gets better (more Paul-like, if you will), the Celtics seem to be shrinking. He is now capable of taking over entire games by himself, as much as somebody 6' can. And they're sucking pretty bad.

I still prefer Deron Williams. I did on draft day 2006, and every other year, I look pretty much right. Now, I'd be excited if the Blazers did somehow land him. But then I was excited when they landed Damon, too.

 

[hasoos]

I don't want to commit blasphemy, but is Chris Paul really all that?

Yes, yes, I know, once in a generation stats, etc., but he does dominate the ball an awful lot, and I tend to think that's not that healthy for a team. The last time a ball-dominating little man won a title was Isiah's Pistons, was it not? And put Paul on a really good team (like the "Redeem Team") and he looks less useful. And the fact that Darren Collison is putting up huge numbers in NO's system says less about Collison and more about the system, I think.

By comparison, I used to be a huge Rajon Rondo fan. But as he gets better (more Paul-like, if you will), the Celtics seem to be shrinking. He is now capable of taking over entire games by himself, as much as somebody 6' can. And they're sucking pretty bad.

I still prefer Deron Williams. I did on draft day 2006, and every other year, I look pretty much right. Now, I'd be excited if the Blazers did somehow land him. But then I was excited when they landed Damon, too.

1. You would have a point if Isiah never won a couple of championships. But he did. So did Dwayne Wade who dominates the ball as well.

2. So your blaming Rajon Rondo for the Celtics getting old and at the same time, getting rid of all the glue guys that helped them get there the first time?

3. I prefer Darrin Williams too. But Darrin Williams doesn't have an up and coming point guard making him possibly available.

 

[Minstrel]

Yes, yes, I know, once in a generation stats, etc., but he does dominate the ball an awful lot, and I tend to think that's not that healthy for a team. The last time a ball-dominating little man won a title was Isiah's Pistons, was it not?

I'm not sure his size really matters. His defense is okay, from what I've seen and read, and his size doesn't seem to be affecting his vision and ability to create plays. As for his dominating the ball...a great point guard should be dominating the ball, since he's essentially the quarterback of the team. A point guard who uses most of the clock himself and then finds a great scoring opportunity for his team is just fine.

By comparison, I used to be a huge Rajon Rondo fan. But as he gets better (more Paul-like, if you will), the Celtics seem to be shrinking. He is now capable of taking over entire games by himself, as much as somebody 6' can. And they're sucking pretty bad.

I think the Celtics' fall has a lot more to do with the dwindling primes of Garnett, Pierce and Allen.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

1. You would have a point if Isiah never won a couple of championships. But he did. So did Dwayne Wade who dominates the ball as well.

a) Yes, Isiah Thomas won two championships. But that was 20 years ago, and the game has changed. And in fact, it changed so quickly that his team got swept by the new guard the next year. Also Isiah "would cut your nuts off to win" as Barkley put it. The man was psychopathic about winning. Chris Paul strikes me as remarkably sane, although pretty intense.
b) Wade was not a PG, so the ball was out of his hands, and he couldn't dominate it like a PG. And he's several inches taller, ten times as athletic, and with arms that scrape the floor. Otherwise a great comparison.

2. So your blaming Rajon Rondo for the Celtics getting old and at the same time, getting rid of all the glue guys that helped them get there the first time?

No, I'm blaming him for hogging the ball, as I've watched him do an awful lot recently.

3. I prefer Darrin Williams too. But Darrin Williams doesn't have an up and coming point guard making him possibly available.

I know of no Darrin Williams.
It's a bit early to say that Collison makes Chris Paul available. Let's see if NO can win a few games with him first.

 

[e_blazer]

I would give Roy left nut . . . I know it will be painful, but it is a sacrafice I'm willing to make.

Why is it always the left one? Is this some sort of Conservative plot to eliminate future Liberals?

 

[LittleAlex]

a) Yes, Isiah Thomas won two championships. But that was 20 years ago, and the game has changed.

This is true.

The game has actually gotten a lot more friendly to small, quick point guards then it was in Zeke's day.

No hand checking outside the key, flagrent fouls called WAY more frequently, and no charges inside the circle.

If anything, Isiah would be far more successful now then he was back then.


Also, CP3 is a fucking psycho on the court. If there is any one guy who hates to lose, it's that dude.


So yes, CP3 IS all that. And a bag of chips, a Guiness and a hot chick who loves to give blow jobs.


I would trade anyone on this team for CP3 and not think twice about it.

 

[Masbee]

Anyone would be on the table, but it all depends. If they want Roy, then Oden and Aldridge and maybe Batum wouldn't be available in addition. If they want Aldridge, I'd definitely be willing to include Batum (and players like Bayless and Fernandez). But then not Oden or Roy.

Exactly.

I would also worry about a Paul / Roy combo not being better than the sum of the parts.

 

[hasoos]

Exactly.

I would also worry about a Paul / Roy combo not being better than the sum of the parts.

Do you remember the all star game a few years back, Roys first all star game, where Roy and Paul were the backups? The West was down huge and then Roy and Paul came in, and took over that game, and led a comeback. If you don't, I highly recommend you go back and watch it if it is up somewhere.

 

[Masbee]

Do you remember the all star game a few years back, Roys first all star game, where Roy and Paul were the backups? The West was down huge and then Roy and Paul came in, and took over that game, and led a comeback. If you don't, I highly recommend you go back and watch it if it is up somewhere.

I did see it at the time. It was fun to watch.

As I said, I worry about the pair up. Name the last duo of All-NBA caliber guards to pair up and then be successful for multiple years.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

I may be a minority but I'd give any one player for Paul. As much as I like Roy, I'd trade him for Paul and not think twice. I'd put Rudy in as the SG and yes, he isn't Roy, but he would do a good job, and, in some ways I think would be more complementary to Paul than Roy would.

Gramps...

 

[LOTBfan]

Nate's contract is up this year, maybe we can trade him for Paul.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would do Paul for Roy. I said it earlier this season. Paul is a once-in-a-generation point guard.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I did see it at the time. It was fun to watch.

As I said, I worry about the pair up. Name the last duo of All-NBA caliber guards to pair up and then be successful for multiple years.

Billups and Hamilton come to mind, but of course, they developed into all-star guards together. When was the last time two all-star caliber guards were thrust together period?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Billups and Hamilton come to mind, but of course, they developed into all-star guards together. When was the last time two all-star caliber guards were thrust together period?

Hornacek + Stockton in Utah?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Hornacek + Stockton in Utah?

Good call, and I would say that worked out quite well.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Good call, and I would say that worked out quite well.

A finals appearance and a few deep playoff runs, definitely. If they'd had a center worth a damn, they'd have probably ground out a championship.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Oden, LA and Miller for

Paul and West

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Not LaMarcus.

If you can't catch the sarcasm please slap yourself because you are a retard! [/David Spade]

 

[Minstrel]

Not LaMarcus.

If you can't catch the sarcasm please slap yourself because you are a retard! [/David Spade]

Honestly, Fez, do you have to be a one-note poster every season? Last year, it was "Oden is the most embarrassing draft bust in NBA history and basically Jamaal Magloire." This year, it's "LMA has no balls because he isn't as good as I want him to be."

Try to mix it up a bit. Save some "This professional athlete who would kick my ass effortlessly if I insulted him to his face has no balls" for next year and give us some more "Oden is the worst draft pick ever" this year. And maybe some new material to boot.

 

[Masbee]

Billups and Hamilton come to mind, but of course, they developed into all-star guards together. When was the last time two all-star caliber guards were thrust together period?

I didn't say All-STAR.

I said All-NBA. There is a difference.

Billups - near All-NBA caliber, but never made the team.

Hamilton - not even close.

 

[Masbee]

Hornacek + Stockton in Utah?

I didn't say All-STAR.

I said All-NBA. There is a difference.

Stockton - All-NBA caliber - yes, yes.

Hornacek - not even close. Only a 1 time All-Star.

Stockton brings up an interesting point about a Roy / Paul pairing, of the recent Hall-of-Fame guards, I thnk Kidd and Stockton are two of the most likely to have worked very well with Roy - a ball dominating guard who is All-NBA caliber. Stockton was a good defender, and excellent 3pt shooter and such a willing passer, that he could still make big contributions without the ball in his hand. Kidd was/is such a willing passer and was such an excellent rebounder and defender that he too would still be impacting the game when Roy was doing his thing.

 

[illmatic99]

Oden, Rudy, and Bayless for Paul. Throw in fillers like Miller/Przy/Peja to make the #s work.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I would not trade Oden to get Paul, since IMHO one of the biggest reasons to get CP3 is to open up the dominance that could be Oden's offensive game. Also, having two all-star guards and LMA as your biggest "banger" seems to me to be a recipe for disaster.

I'd like not to give up Batum, also, but that's secondary.

Roy and some salary (Miller, Webster, LMA if we're getting a big contract back)? Probably.

 

[BGrantFan]

What would you give up for Chris Paul?

My left nut and Martell Webster. Deal?

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

My left nut and Martell Webster. Deal?

your right nut, Webster...and Miller.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I would not trade Oden to get Paul, since IMHO one of the biggest reasons to get CP3 is to open up the dominance that could be Oden's offensive game. Also, having two all-star guards and LMA as your biggest "banger" seems to me to be a recipe for disaster.

I'd like not to give up Batum, also, but that's secondary.

Roy and some salary (Miller, Webster, LMA if we're getting a big contract back)? Probably.

On paper I agree with that ... but then you went on to mention "recipe for disaster" and then I got depressed about Greg again.