What's a good gun for concealed carry?

[SlyPokerDog]

If we're going to debate this, give me your definition of a felon, just so I know if we're talking about hired murderers, tax cheats or some guy who sold a joint to a narc 20 years ago. I'm assuming they served their sentence and were released?

How do you know if you don't do a background check? That would be according to you a government interrogation to find out.

 

[magnifier661]

Agreed. I have a 9mm, and some people think it's not strong enough, but if you shoot someone in the right spots it's more than fine (I think small dicked people think it's not powerful enough)

It depends though, if it's for home defense, I'm going shotgun or revolver over semi auto.

I actually don't like the 9mm that much. 45 ACP is my fav. I'm in love with my USP 40.

I have a small dick, so your theory maybe correct

 

[magnifier661]

How do you know if you don't do a background check? That would be according to you a government interrogation to find out.

The chip the government and aliens implanted in you when you were a baby without mommy and daddy knowing. /X files music

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The chip the government and aliens implanted in you when you were a baby without mommy and daddy knowing. /X files music

(My liking of the above quoted post is not an admission that I agree with it.)

 

[santeesioux]

None of this is going to matter when the alien overlords come down and vaporize us.

Yeah right, man. It's totally going to be like in Fallout where the Chinese invade Alaska and the nukes are launched. We'll all be ghouls and super mutants in 100 years.

 

[Further]

Recent events in my life have me feeling like I may need protection. What would you recommend?

There are many great options, so what I recommend is making sure you have sufficient training and range time. It's so easy to get a carry permit, so you have to take the responsibility of being proficient very seriously. When I got my carry I chose arbitrary numbers of 3 sessions with an instructor and 20 hours range time before I would leave the house with my weapon concealed. Since, I go to the range at least once a month. Think about it, figure out what you believe the responsible path is and stick to it.

As far as which gun, I have a .40 khar I like but honestly I wouldn't recommend it, I hope to upgrade soon. There are some Sig sauers including the p938 9mm which is fun and tiny, a great carry but not good if you have big hands. The Springfield armory XD is great choice too. If you want to spend an extra few bucks and go for something classy, check out a Kimber.

 

[MarAzul]

45 ACP is my fav

I like those real well myself, have the Gold Cup model. But my old .38 S&W is just so natural it damn near hits what I want. I loaded up about 250 rounds for it some years back,
dang near .357 like. I suppose that will do me.

 

[MarAzul]

Because a white guy....especially an older white guy...comes from a different era and experience. He has...or should have no problem wandering into the police station of a nice, relatively peaceful....and almost exclusively white little town and chat up the local cops......AND talk about gun ownership and swapping handguns with his buddies....or anyone else he chooses. Do you really think a younger black man in this day and age, in a big city with a small minority population and gang problems can do the same?? Somehow I don't think the police would be quite so warm and fuzzy.

Well, I do find it shocking that anyone other than a criminal would post, the only thing they fear is the police. I can't think of thing to fear, but if I did, I think I would find a way to come to grips with the fear. He just might find talking to a real in the flesh police Chief or Sheriff, could make that fear begone. On the other hand, if the experience came out bad, he could tell the world about, starting right here and everywhere else you all can think up. Might do more good than doing nothing which apparently just keeps a bad companion close (fear).

 

[Further]

Also, whatever your choice, don't skimp on a couple good holsters. I prefer leather inside waist band ones from Galco but there are many good ones to choose from. But you need to go spend some good time in gun shops holding the guns and feeling the holsters, getting to understand what will work best for you.

And there are many ranges you can go to and rent different guns. Talk to the clerks, get their advice and try a handful of options before you commit.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I agree with the M&P shield but I like the 9mm.

I also love my Glock 19. It is 9mm as well.

I highly recommend 9mm because you can get cheap ammo to practice and the defense rounds are more than powerful enough.

I ended up getting a Glock 19.

Thanks for all the help guys.

 

[Natebishop3]

I ended up getting a Glock 19.

Thanks for all the help guys.

Nice purchase!

 

[Jade Falcon]

Recent events in my life have me feeling like I may need protection. What would you recommend?

Congrads on making the right choice to carry! Don't listen to the liberals and BLM appeasers who tell you that you're racist for doing so. That's bullshit.

Personally, I haven't carried a gun in one year. But before that, I carried a Glock 22 daily with a spare mag in my front left pocket. It worked for me, but that's a full-size gun, and you may want something smaller. Just keep in mind that the smaller the gun, the greater the recoil.

I used to also carry a 5-shot S&W 642 Airweight. The recoil was horrendous. Glad I stuck with the Glock.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I ended up getting a Glock 19.

Thanks for all the help guys.

Great choice! Personally, I don't care for the compact Glocks, because my pinkie-finger always feels like it's going to pop off the bottom. Whereas the sub-compacts nestle comfortably in my palm, and the full-size guns give me a great area of grip.

 

[Natebishop3]

Great choice! Personally, I don't care for the compact Glocks, because my pinkie-finger always feels like it's going to pop off the bottom. Whereas the sub-compacts nestle comfortably in my palm, and the full-size guns give me a great area of grip.

The 19 isn't really compact. It's the same frame as the Glock 23. It's not as big as the Glock 21, but it's still pretty hefty.

 

[Jade Falcon]

The 19 isn't really compact. It's the same frame as the Glock 23. It's not as big as the Glock 21, but it's still pretty hefty.

You're right that they are the same frame size: G19/23/32. But officially, they're listed as "Compacts", with the "Full Size/Duty/Standard Size" models being the G17/22/31, and the Sub Compact Models being the G26/27/33. I believe the G30 and 36 also fall into sub compact sizes, as well as the G42, but I'm not entirely sure on that.

I'll look in my Glock Annual magazine, but my cat tore it to pieces. Damn cat.

 

[blue32]

Mmmmm... Glocks. Such nice beautiful firearms.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't agree with your belief that people should be allowed to hand out guns to anyone they want and I'm sure if we were to present that to your police chief he would agree with me.

But the oceans are dead.

 

[Kitt Houston]

Where can I find one of these ??????

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Where can I find one of these ??????

Welcome! Nice to have you here.

I think you can find them here. They also have Hello Kitty grenades.

http://www.kittyhell.com/category/hello-kitty-guns/

 

[Jade Falcon]

Welcome! Nice to have you here.

I think you can find them here. They also have Hello Kitty grenades.

http://www.kittyhell.com/category/hello-kitty-guns/

lmao, wow, that is too much for me. Just leave my Glock black, thanks.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

lmao, wow, that is too much for me. Just leave my Glock black, thanks.

Hello Tanky!

 

[Jade Falcon]

Hello Tanky!

I much prefer this:

Or some of my favorite anime: Girls und Panzer:

Hi, btw. Not sure what happened with my account. Seems to work fine now, but it hasn't been working fine. I've updated a few things though, so maybe that was part of the problem.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I much prefer this:

Or some of my favorite anime: Girls und Panzer:

Hi, btw. Not sure what happened with my account. Seems to work fine now, but it hasn't been working fine. I've updated a few things though, so maybe that was part of the problem.

I checked everything on our end, your IP address wasn't banned or blocked. You should check your computer for zika.

 

[Jade Falcon]

I checked everything on our end, your IP address wasn't banned or blocked. You should check your computer for zika.

lol thanks. I had a major crash after I updated my system last week, and ran a 2 hour 40 minute virus scan afterwards which didn't catch anything (AvastPro). I also updated Firefox. But when I updated Firefox and restarted everything (before the system crash), it still wasn't working, even with a system restart.

But it seems to be working fine right now. Not sure what was going on. Must have coughed up some phlegm after that system update.

Thanks for checking everything up though! This is one of my favorite forums; I was totally freaking out.

 

[Dougnsalem]

Where can I find one of these ??????

A welcome from here too! Fair warning for ya.... If you get one of these from HCP.....

Listen, you are fresh meat and your compliments, complaints or critiques mean nothing. Not for 2 years or 10K posts, whichever comes later. Sit back, be quiet and observe.

Just ignore him.....

 

[Sinobas]

Why not just pack some pepper spray gel? You can incapacitate someone and walk away, without the legal mess. If you shoot someone out in public, there's a risk that you could be arrested, put on trial and forced to prove self defense. You will also hesitate more to use a gun, which could make all the difference in the world.

 

[Sinobas]

Hilarious... you prove my point that the main reason why guns are purchased:

Fear

There will never be a time that I need to own a gun. I have no enemies and the only entity that I fear is the police.

Statistically, you are thousands of times more likely to be killed by another black man than by the.....oops sorry, wrong thread.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Why not just pack some pepper spray gel? You can incapacitate someone and walk away, without the legal mess. If you shoot someone out in public, there's a risk that you could be arrested, put on trial and forced to prove self defense. You will also hesitate more to use a gun, which could make all the difference in the world.

Not me. My conscious is very clear about my use of a firearm in self defense, and I am confident in my training, abilities, common sense, and observational skills.

But I do carry a less-lethal option with me: Fox Labs 5.3. That's some nasty shit. I need a new can though; mine's expired.

 

[Sinobas]

Not me. My conscious is very clear about my use of a firearm in self defense, and I am confident in my training, abilities, common sense, and observational skills.

But I do carry a less-lethal option with me: Fox Labs 5.3. That's some nasty shit. I need a new can though; mine's expired.

Say for example, that you're on the street at night and some weird person comes up to you yelling nonsense. You have no idea who they are, if they have a mental disorder or are high on something. And you don't really know what their intentions are, whether or not they are armed. Do you whip out your gun and blow them away?
You have to wait until a threat level is clear before using lethal force and you're not always going to get that warning before an attack. Let's say that person was just an unarmed schitzo, blowing him away in the street could likely land you in prison.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Say for example, that you're on the street at night and some weird person comes up to you yelling nonsense. You have no idea who they are, if they have a mental disorder or are high on something. And you don't really know what their intentions are, whether or not they are armed. Do you whip out your gun and blow them away?
You have to wait until a threat level is clear before using lethal force and you're not always going to get that warning before an attack. Let's say that person was just an unarmed schitzo, blowing him away in the street could likely land you in prison.

Firstly, let me say that I realized, long ago, that trying to exhaust every single situation that you could potentially land in will drive you mad. I, therefore, don't lose sleep over "what if" scenarios. Sorry.

Secondly, if a crazy person gets that close to you, then you've most likely fucked up. Use your observational skills and avoid a confrontation. If something doesn't look right, go the opposite direction. When you have a gun, if you are not Armed Security or Law Enforcement, then you should be avoiding situations unless it is CLEAR that your presence is required (example: you observe an armed threat attacking someone, or see a woman get raped behind a dumpster, etc etc).

And remember: not everyone who's hyped on drugs is unarmed. You'd be surprised what a person hyped on drugs can do without a weapon. And anyone who doubts this is either out of touch with reality, or has never spoken to a police officer in a high-crime area who deals with drug users regularly. And, unfortunately, this also applies to the mentally ill. It is ludicrous to think that I should have to treat Joe Crazy any differently because he's mentally ill. They too are perfectly capable of killing people, and they have many times before.

What am I supposed to do if a mentally ill person attacks me? "Oh, well, he's bat shit crazy....can't draw my gun, he's mentally ill"? I don't think so.

It's true that, sometimes, you can't avoid a situation. So let's say, for example, I'm passing an alley way, and some drugged-up loser comes out of there demanding change or something. I decline, and he attacks. If he doesn't have a weapon that I can see, then I'll beat the ever living fuck out of him physically, and look for an escape route.

But if he produces a weapon, all bets are off. My goal then is to get away and get distance, firstly. Secondly, if he continues after me, draw my gun and give him clear instructions. If he doesn't obey those, he gets shot.

It is important to recognize the "Use Of Force Continuum" when dealing with such a situation. Which is why the law says that you can bring deadly force into a conflict where the other party is not immediately armed (note that "Armed" is not the same as being a "Threat"; you can be a threat and not be armed). For me, the only way this would occur is a couple of instances:

-I am outnumbered (for me, that's 2 or more people)
-I am out-sized by the opponent (for me, that's anyone 6 feet or taller with a muscular build. I'm 5-6 and 230 pounds of out-of-shape fat. I'm confident that I can defend myself in a quick fight, but nothing drawn out)
-I am losing a fight (for me, that's being concussed, worn out, battered pretty good, or being subdued by an opponent)

That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. And that also DOES NOT mean that just because, in those situations, you draw your firearm, that means you have to shoot a person. Anyone who thinks that is a fucking moron. In fact, I think the media plays on people's ignorance with that particular subject of self-defense with a firearm. If you are able to draw your gun and issue commands without firing shots (which constitutes "bringing deadly force into a conflict"), then that is a win. Even better if you can get away without anyone getting hurt.

So bottom line if you are going to carry: 1) don't worry about "what if" scenarios. You'll drive yourself mad. 2) ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings. God gave you eyes for a reason. Put your fucking IPhone away and pay attention. 3) Be dilligent with your training and practice. Even if that means going to the range each weekend to practice your marksmanship. 4) Study self-defense laws for your area and State. Talk to people who carry, but listen to the experts. Study experts on Self Defense, such as Massad Ayoob and Clint Smith.